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post #31 of 133
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Originally Posted by Gerryex View Post

Hi audiomixer,

Could you give us a few more details on how the Panny BD30 / Tosh A-35 combo compares with the 5000. I'm especially interested in your comment that the A-35 upconverts an SD DVD better than the 5000.

Some other questions:

1. Did they both come with the latest firmware, or did you have to update one or both? If updating was needed how did it go?

2. Do you have an HDMI surround AVR and if so have you confirmed that TrueHD and DTS-HD MA can be bitstreamed from both players to the AVR.

3. Any other comments and/or impressions would be appreicated.

As you know I have the same TV as you, and I'm also very much on the fence on whether to keep the 5000 or not.

Thanks,
Gerry

P. S. Could you indicate where you bought them and at what kind of price. On-line or B&M?


I too own the 5000 and I'm on the fence and look forward to additional feedback on the a35/bd30 combo. As far as cost is concerned both of these can be had for $763.99 shipped from Amazon.
post #32 of 133
I bought one today for several reasons:

1) The laser assembly in my A2 died and I couldn't see buying an A3.
2) I have only one 1080-capable input available, and can't support both formats separately.
3) Samsung's official product spec on the player promises full lossless audio in January.
4) My local Circuit City had one in stock.
5) I want to piss off some of the antifanboy posters here that seem to think it's important that we hear them diss this player a 423rd time. We heard you the first time. Now move on and let folks have a constructive conversation.
post #33 of 133
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Originally Posted by kcmurphy88 View Post

I bought one today for several reasons:

1) The laser assembly in my A2 died and I couldn't see buying an A3.
2) I have only one 1080-capable input available, and can't support both formats separately.
3) Samsung's official product spec on the player promises full lossless audio in January.
4) My local Circuit City had one in stock.
5) I want to piss off some of the antifanboy posters here that seem to think it's important that we hear them diss this player a 423rd time. We heard you the first time. Now move on and let folks have a constructive conversation.

Do you have a link or a source for #3 above?
post #34 of 133
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Originally Posted by kcmurphy88 View Post

I bought one today for several reasons:

1) The laser assembly in my A2 died and I couldn't see buying an A3.
2) I have only one 1080-capable input available, and can't support both formats separately.
3) Samsung's official product spec on the player promises full lossless audio in January.
4) My local Circuit City had one in stock.
5) I want to piss off some of the antifanboy posters here that seem to think it's important that we hear them diss this player a 423rd time. We heard you the first time. Now move on and let folks have a constructive conversation.


I too would also like the link for point 3 and I fully support #5. There is a certain poster who has his feelings in his signature line. It's quite entertaining to click on his posts in anticipation of his next insightful comment.
post #35 of 133
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Originally Posted by ChicagoTC View Post

I too own the 5000 and I'm on the fence and look forward to additional feedback on the a35/bd30 combo. As far as cost is concerned both of these can be had for $763.99 shipped from Amazon.

I also have this combo and it is wonderful. Slightly cheaper than the 5000. Both units have better picture quality, more stable and both bitsream all the advanced audio. Throw in many free HD DVD and BD with the purchase of these and it really is a no brainer.

Ill revisit the 5000 if/when a firmware is released but my experience is that Samsung makes subpar HD machines. Good luck with your purchase.
post #36 of 133
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Originally Posted by kcmurphy88 View Post

I bought one today for several reasons:

I want to piss off some of the antifanboy posters here that seem to think it's important that we hear them diss this player a 423rd time. We heard you the first time. Now move on and let folks have a constructive conversation.

This is a very childish reason to spend $800 for a sub-par DVD player... but I guess that's your problem.
post #37 of 133
there is a very strong sentiment, IMHO, by ardent blu-ray backers that dual format players are bad in that they will stall the outcome, presuming there can ever be one, of the current stalemate...so with that in mind, one always has to be very mindful of what they are reading and what advice they might take...

i'm keeping mine despite all the ney-sayers and *problems* (not problems IMHO as every other player on the market suffers from the exact same issues and rely on f/w upgrades)...so far the stalemate has given me, the consumer, WAY more than i would have at this point in time without such a competitive environment...i'm not in this for maximizing profits to a single side, only to minimize cost to me and get HDM ...
post #38 of 133
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Originally Posted by ChicagoTC View Post

I too would also like the link for point 3 and I fully support #5. There is a certain poster who has his feelings in his signature line. It's quite entertaining to click on his posts in anticipation of his next insightful comment.

Well, I don't see the "january" reference that I quoted from memory (my mistake or they edited it?), but the product flyer promises that it supports all audio formats and particularly TrueHD ("upgradable by firmware"). This goes rather further than the user manual in its audio specifications.
post #39 of 133
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

This is a very childish reason to spend $800 for a sub-par DVD player... but I guess that's your problem.

Say, why are you here? Don't you have something bettter to do? I really don't get this jihadi stuff at all.

You don't like the player. Fine. Don't buy one. But let those that do have one discuss it without screaming in our ears all the time!
post #40 of 133
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Originally Posted by kcmurphy88 View Post

Well, I don't see the "january" reference that I quoted from memory (my mistake or they edited it?), but the product flyer promises that it supports all audio formats and particularly TrueHD ("upgradable by firmware"). This goes rather further than the user manual in its audio specifications.

The flyer says "Dolby®Digital, Dolby Digital Plus decoding, dts®HD, HR, MA (upgrade-able by firmware) TrueHD". Technically, it does all of this already, just not using it to its fullest. It does decode TrueHD, but only 2 channel. It also supports DTS-HD/MA by playing the embedded DTS-core track.

And there's also this little gem at the bottom: "All features, specifications, and model numbers subject to change."

My 5k should be arriving from circuitcity.com next week. If there's no fix for the lossless codecs before my 30 day return period expires, back it goes. I'm sure that getting a bunch of units returned to Samsung makes a louder statement than a bunch of phone calls to their support line.
post #41 of 133
There is no reason to believe that it will not support all advanced codecs: the BCM-7440 is quite capable of it. Seems like they are just waiting on the finished DSP code from Broadcom.

But yes, if you really wanted to read that in the most possible cramped way, you could with some struggle do so.
post #42 of 133
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Originally Posted by kcmurphy88 View Post

Say, why are you here? Don't you have something bettter to do? Does Pioneer pay you for each post or something? I really don't get this jihadi stuff at all.

You don't like the player. Fine. Don't buy one. But let those that do have one discuss it without screaming in our ears all the time!

You must be confused because this is the Who Is Keeping Or Who Is Returning Their Samsung 5000? thread and not a BD-UP5000 Universal Player Samsung [OFFICIAL OWNERS THREAD] & FAQ discussion.

BTW, not that it matters to an irrational juvenile like yourself, but I am free to express my opinion regarding the sub-par performance of a $799.99+ BD-UP5000 as is anyone else.
post #43 of 133
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Originally Posted by kcmurphy88 View Post

There is no reason to believe that it will not support all advanced codecs: the BCM-7440 is quite capable of it. Seems like they are just waiting on the finished DSP code from Broadcom.

But yes, if you really wanted to read that in the most possible cramped way, you could with some struggle do so.

I spent some time on the Broadcom site trying to read the specs regarding audio. I couldn't find much. Says it decodes the advanced codecs. Doesn't say word one about how many channels. It IS full of disclaimers about their "foreward looking" technology wording (i.e. subject to change w/o notice).

Couldn't find anything to get optimistic about (although I am planning on keeping mine) with respect to audio - I may not be looking in the right place.

I did see on the LG 200 owners thread that they (LG) have changed the wording with respect to future upgrades on multichannel decoding. Since they share the Broadcom 7440, my hopes are lowering.
post #44 of 133
I have until the end of January to return my 5000. If by that time we get no firmware to fix audio formats and 4:3 stretch issue, or at the very least official Samsung announcement on the upcoming firmware and fixes, it's going back.
post #45 of 133
Hi, I am a n00b to this thread; I've posted mostly in the Sammy xx71 LCD thread since I will be getting an HDTV for the first time soon, and I am struck on my first day reading about this player (in anticipation of needing HD player capability) by the similarity in tone and content of the conversation as in the xx71 TV forum.

What's with this company (Samsung)? It seems they routinely release products with problems that people *hope* will be fixed by firmware updates. Doesn't a reasonable majority of people believe Samsung (or any company) should work these problems out before releasing products to the public, rather than letting customers beta-test them?

Sorry for asking a total n00b question, but are there any other single-box options out there now, or is the A35/BD-30 combination the real competition?
post #46 of 133
Really, all nonsense aside. If you can handle 2 separate units, that's my recommendation. BTW, I own the 5000 so I can speak from my personal experience with the machine.

I'm not bashing the 5000. It's just that it seems to fall short of MY expectations in many ways. I purchased it for 799 when getting the BD30/A35 combo was in the 950 range. Now that they can be had for the same coin as the 5000, why not?

If one breaks I'm only out half the investment. I just don't trust the 5000. Too many simple things don't work for me.... even remote button operation (not to mention button operation on the unit) is iffy.

If you want a one box solution, the 5000 is probably better than the LG (at least the price and specs are). However, I would really question how important having a single box is to you before purchase it.
post #47 of 133
I'm keeping mine. It's REALLY important to me to not have separate decks. Has worked fine on everything I've played on it, the pictures are stunning on my Pioneer 60" Kuro; sound is more than acceptable for now and I'm confident/comfortable that Samsung will deliver on better support for hi-res codecs. BTW, I'm HDMI end-to-end with a Denon 4308CI in the middle.

Happy New Year to all!
post #48 of 133
I dont have the 5000 but thought about it till I had the 1400. Even after mulitiple firmware updates it seems the 1400 is still not up to par.

Here is the breakdown for me. I am not sure what free discs you get with the 5000 unit.

I bought Panasonic BD30 $449 plus 5 my choice free BD discs and 5 by mail for a total of 10 BD

Ordered the Toshiba A35 $349 plus 5 discs all ones I wanted and 5 by mail. So total cost for both units is 800 with 20 free discs.

The Pansonic BD30 has worked flawlessly for me and I looking forward to the A35 with all firmware updates for the A35 out already I believe it will work as well as the BD30.

Down the road if I want to update one box it is less of a loss and one format wins same thing.
post #49 of 133
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Originally Posted by DMP2722 View Post


I bought Panasonic BD30 $449 plus 5 my choice free BD discs and 5 by mail for a total of 10 BD

Ordered the Toshiba A35 $349 plus 5 discs all ones I wanted and 5 by mail. So total cost for both units is 800 with 20 free discs.

The Pansonic BD30 has worked flawlessly for me and I looking forward to the A35 with all firmware updates for the A35 out already I believe it will work as well as the BD30.

Down the road if I want to update one box it is less of a loss and one format wins same thing.

I own a 5000 but the above math plus the fact that the BD30 is $410 now at Amazon just might do it for me. As much as I want to love this player it's impossible argue against $760 plus upwards of $400 in free movies plus 2 players that will bitstream to my Integra.

I already have 2 players connected(A2) for my A/B testing so 2 players doesn't bother me at all. Even if Samsung gets the audio right it's more expensive and there are zero free movies. The only place I see this fitting is for someone who has no space for 2 players.

If other owners can show me the error in my logic please do!
post #50 of 133
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Originally Posted by ChicagoTC View Post

I own a 5000 but the above math plus the fact that the BD30 is $410 now at Amazon just might do it for me. As much as I want to love this player it's impossible argue against $760 plus upwards of $400 in free movies plus 2 players that will bitstream to my Integra.

I already have 2 players connected(A2) for my A/B testing so 2 players doesn't bother me at all. Even if Samsung gets the audio right it's more expensive and there are zero free movies. The only place I see this fitting is for someone who has no space for 2 players.

If other owners can show me the error in my logic please do!

had the 30K done internal decoding, or even promised such in a f/w upgrade, i would have bought it when it came out...while i am tracking down an Integra DTC-9.8 for my main setup, i do want the flexibility of moving/retasking this player in the future and don't want to have to keep upgrading my equipment to handle the outboard audio decoding.

my other very real and influential consideration is my wife and family...the convenience of one player, no thinking involved as to which player to insert the disc, which activity on the remote to activate in order to play a red or blu-cased disc, etc. really is something that i can't underestimate...the grief i here and the calls for help i already receive based on the complexity of the setup and various components that need to be on and switched to the proper inputs etc. is something i don't want to increase.

these are my reasons for a dual format player...nothing to do with the two competing formats and whether buying a dual player will somehow forestall the adoption of a single format, etc.

if the 30K and some other hd dvd player works for someone else, by all means, buy it, plug it in and start watching movies
post #51 of 133
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Originally Posted by BenDover View Post


my other very real and influential consideration is my wife and family...the convenience of one player, no thinking involved as to which player to insert the disc, which activity on the remote to activate in order to play a red or blu-cased disc, etc. really is something that i can't underestimate...the grief i here and the calls for help i already receive based on the complexity of the setup and various components that need to be on and switched to the proper inputs etc. is something i don't want to increase.

This is another real concern I didn't mention and very valid in your case. In my case those 20 free movies, $60 cheaper price tag, and bitstreaming of all codecs make it a no brainer. Right now I can't figure out why my brain isn't working and my order isn't in at Amazon already
post #52 of 133
Hi ALL,

I am now about 70% sure I'm going to return the 5000! I'm very sad as I was waiting for this for a long time, and while I realize that there are no Hi Def players that were 100% working out of the box, there are just too many problems and I am losing confidence that Samsung will fix these in a timely manner. From looking at the other Samsung player threads there are still problems in their other Blu Ray players that are still not fixed after several months.

So over the next few days I'm boxing it up and returning it to BB. As other have done I'll be getting the Panny BD30 and the Tosh A-35.

I already voted on this poll, but if I could change my vote it would be for the Yes, I returned it!!

Sorry!!!
Gerry
post #53 of 133
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Originally Posted by Gerryex View Post

Hi ALL,

I am now about 70% sure I'm going to return the 5000! I'm very sad as I was waiting for this for a long time, and while I realize that there are no Hi Def players that were 100% working out of the box, there are just too many problems and I am losing confidence that Samsung will fix these in a timely manner. From looking at the other Samsung player threads there are still problems in their other Blu Ray players that are still not fixed after several months.

So over the next few days I'm boxing it up and returning it to BB. As other have done I'll be getting the Panny BD30 and the Tosh A-35.

I already voted on this poll, but if I could change my vote it would be for the Yes, I returned it!!

Sorry!!!
Gerry

I returned my BD-UP5000 & will wait to see what is announced regarding HD DVD players @ CES 2008 next Monday.

BTW... although some individuals seem to get frosted by my negative assessment of the BD-UP5000 if Samsung can get the bugs worked out & this player becomes more reliable in its price category, I will just buy another BD-UP5000 in a few months.
post #54 of 133
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

For one, it does not play all Blu-ray Discs. I rented "28 Weeks Later" from Hollywood Video yesterday and my BD-UP5000 will not play that move.

IMO this $800 player is not quite ready for prime time yet. I'm returning mine to Best Buy tonight or tomorrow and I am back in the "wait & see" mode until after CES 2008 and/or when Samsung gets the "kinks" worked out.

I knew there was a reason why I stopped buying A/V products from Samsung & Panasonic, preferring to spend my dough on Pioneer 'Elite' equipment instead.

Something is very wrong here, especially since these new titles are having problems on all Samsung players. I think the fault lies with the movie studios, not Samsung. Are they not testing their movies at all? You would think that they would try the disc on several player before sending it to the presses.
post #55 of 133
If/when Samsung can get the kinks worked out and provided something better does not come along @ CES 2008 next week, I will revisit the BD-UP5000 again.

I have not been following HD DVD/Blu-ray disc/player technology before now but seeing all the problems with various players & DVDs really annoys me.

This is a part of the continuing shuck & jive BS that the MPAA, CATV/Satellite providers, A/V manufacturers and Congress have foisted upon the hapless consumer, where we continue to spend $$$$ on equipment & digital services that do not work as advertised.

Remember the Y2K non-event? The upheaval surrounding 2/17/09 should be quite different, although like Congress with the AMT & the NFL Network with the Patriots/Giants game, will probably cave and extend the analog shutoff date again.
post #56 of 133
I'm keeping mine until my return deadline is over (Jan. 31st). If I don't get a firmware upgrade or hear an official statement from Samsung about one before that date, it's going back to BB.
post #57 of 133
Wow I didnt know that this player had so many problems.I thought it would be great to have a dual format player but now I think getting 2 players isnt a bad idea.
post #58 of 133
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Originally Posted by nineteen70 View Post

Wow I didnt know that this player had so many problems.I thought it would be great to have a dual format player but now I think getting 2 players isnt a bad idea.

This player is quirky...and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
I have hundreds of hi-def discs and at least 6-8 had loading problems, audio problems, etc. I bought a Panny 30 and a Toshiba A35 to compare. Each of those played any disc that I threw into them with no problems. Easy firmware upgrades on their websites. I didn't feel like taking a chance. And I've been waiting since April for this player!!! My gut told me to move on.
post #59 of 133
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Originally Posted by audiomixer View Post

This player is quirky...and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
I have hundreds of hi-def discs and at least 6-8 had loading problems, audio problems, etc. I bought a Panny 30 and a Toshiba A35 to compare. Each of those played any disc that I threw into them with no problems. Easy firmware upgrades on their websites. I didn't feel like taking a chance. And I've been waiting since April for this player!!! My gut told me to move on.

Quick question for you, I'm close to making the jump but does it bother you that the BD30 isn't and from what I know can never be profile 2.0 compliant?

I could be wrong but I think it requires 1GB storage + ethernet port, which the BD30 can never have.
post #60 of 133
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Originally Posted by ChicagoTC View Post

Quick question for you, I'm close to making the jump but does it bother you that the BD30 isn't and from what I know can never be profile 2.0 compliant?

I could be wrong but I think it requires 1GB storage + ethernet port, which the BD30 can never have.

Hi ChicagoTC,

I'd like to give you an answer, if you don't mind.

My main criteria is to watch and listen to a movie with the best picure and sound. Sure I watch some of the special features on how the movie was made, but I usually don't watch them more than once. However if the movie is good I'll end up watching it many times.

As far as the internet enabled special features the only one I have tried so far is from Transformers. The movie was fantastic!! The internet extras were, in my opinion, a total waste of time! Granted there will be other disks with better internet features, but not having them doesn't bother me at all. Remember there still is a question on whether the 5000 has enough memory to do the profile 2.0 stuff anyway.

I currently have the 5000 and I already have the A35 coming in and will be ordering the BD30 in a day or so. The 5000 is going back on Thurs and I REALLY REALLY wanted it to work, but there's too many problems and I have lost faith that Samsung can correct them in a timely manner.

There is a new post in the owners thread that Broadcom may not be able to get DTS-HD working AT ALL!!!

Gerry
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