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Is this a bad idea? (wiring help)

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Quick setup question.
Denon AVR3300 used to power 5.1 system in living room. I would like to get an external amp for the 2nd zone to power 2 ceiling speakers in my bedroom, which are 8 ohm. I also want to put one (stereo) ceiling speaker in the attached bathroom, also 8 ohm. Can I just wire the stereo ceiling speaker in the bathroom to the speakers in the bedroom, thus yielding a 4ohm load at the amp? Will this work? My concern is that the bathroom speaker may play at a different volume given it is tied to a different brand and sensitivity speaker set in the bedroom.
post #2 of 13
Well my opinion is that you should worry about the final load you're putting on the amp. Whats the lowest impedance the amp can take? If you go bellow what it can take you can fry that amp. So i would check that out first and then decide.

My 0.02 cents.
post #3 of 13
Three 8 ohm speakers in parallel is 2.66 ohms, not 4. You might consider getting a receiver that has 4 main channel outputs.
post #4 of 13
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Originally Posted by mrjarbles View Post

Quick setup question.
Denon AVR3300 used to power 5.1 system in living room. I would like to get an external amp for the 2nd zone to power 2 ceiling speakers in my bedroom, which are 8 ohm. I also want to put one (stereo) ceiling speaker in the attached bathroom, also 8 ohm. Can I just wire the stereo ceiling speaker in the bathroom to the speakers in the bedroom, thus yielding a 4ohm load at the amp? Will this work?

I'm not sure how that single "stereo" speaker in the bathroom works. Does that mean that it has two connections, R+L, each being 8ohms, and will present the same load to an amp as two individual speakers would? Presuming it does, then wiring it in parallel to the bedroom speakers would, as you state, present a 4ohm load to the amp. Can the amp handle 4ohm loads? Even if it is not spec'd to, it may be able to handle it just fine, especially since you probably won't be playing Zone2 too loudly. If you are worried about the load, you could try wiring the speakers in series.


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Originally Posted by mrjarbles View Post

My concern is that the bathroom speaker may play at a different volume given it is tied to a different brand and sensitivity speaker set in the bedroom.

This is another question altogether. There is nothing you can do about this no matter how you wire the speakers if they are connected to the same 2-channel amp. If you used 2 separate amps, and one had a gain control (or an integrated amp would work), you could adjust the volumes independently. This would also allow you to turn off the speakers independently. I don't know what sort of quality you are looking for in the Zone2 amps, but HERE is an inexpensive one that would probably work fine for both your needs.
post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by Chad McCan View Post

Three 8 ohm speakers in parallel is 2.66 ohms, not 4. You might consider getting a receiver that has 4 main channel outputs.

Where would there be 3 speakers on one of his channels? He has a single bedroom speaker on each channel. If the single-unit "stereo" bathroom speaker is connected to only one of his bedroom speakers, there would only be 2 speakers on that channel and one on the other. If it's connected to both channels via individual R+L 8ohm connections (As I suspect it is), there would be two 8ohm speakers per channel = 4ohms per channel.

And what does "4 main channel outputs" mean? He's going to use his receiver's Zone2 pre-outs. Do you mean additional Zone3 pre-outs? Provided he used 2 amps, this would work very well, and give him independent control of each Zone. But he can also either simply split his Zone2 outputs to 2 different amps or daisy chain 2 different amps.

Not trying to 'bust your balls" here. Just looking for some clarification.
post #6 of 13
Good point. I didn't recognize that he would be putting a speaker on each channel. In that case, it depends on what amp he gets. He can certainly use the Zone 2 preouts to give the signal to the amp. If I were doing it, I would get an amp that has 4 channels, both that are left and right mains. I assume this is always going to be a stereo application and you don't mind if the speaker in the bathroom is always going to be on when the bedroom speakers are on.
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the help guys. To clarify, the two stereo ceiling speakers in the bedroom are 8 ohm. The single stereo, dual voice coil speaker in the bathroom is the Polk RC6S, which has two channel inputs - one for the left and one for the right channel (4 binding posts total).

So, if I connect the left speaker inputs for the Polk to the left bedroom speaker, and I connect the right speaker inputs for the Polk to the right bedroom speaker, what impedance is the amplifier "seeing"?
post #8 of 13
4 ohms per channel. For general background use this will most likely not present any problems for the amp.

You are correct that volume levels could be different - or that you might not want the volumes always at the same level. An impedance-matching volume control could fix that.
post #9 of 13
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Originally Posted by mrjarbles View Post

So, if I connect the left speaker inputs for the Polk to the left bedroom speaker, and I connect the right speaker inputs for the Polk to the right bedroom speaker, what impedance is the amplifier "seeing"?

Yes, you were correct in your original post; 4ohms.

Did you see the small amp that I linked you to?

Does your receiver have Zone3 outputs as well?
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by Chad McCan View Post

If I were doing it, I would get an amp that has 4 channels, both that are left and right mains.

He could do this if he is worried about the load. However, finding a 4-channel amp is going to be difficult and probably more expensive than what he wishes to spend. Two of the small amps I linked him to would give him 4 channels of amplification, inexpensively, with independent power-on and volume capability. They could both be located in the same spot that he plans to put a 2-channel amp, or they could even be located independently giving him 'on-the-pot' control over the bathroom unit.
post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 
Sivadselim, I am familiar with that amp from my review of the Emotiva line. I strongly considered that one, (or the Emotiva equivalent) until I began inching my way up the ladder. The receiver I currently have has only 2 Zones. I foresee replacing that with something more current in about a year (I want Pro Logic II and 3 zone capability). My current thought is to buy a 125x7 Emotiva amp (LPA-2 when it is released) and use that to power the 5.1 in the living room and the bedroom/bathroom with the 2 extra channels. At least this is how I am justifying (to myself) the large amp purchase.
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by mrjarbles View Post

The receiver I currently have has only 2 Zones. I foresee replacing that with something more current in about a year (I want Pro Logic II and 3 zone capability).

My gosh, what receiver is this? It doesn't have PLII? Does it also lack DD/DTS 5.1?
post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
It's an older Denon AVR3300. It does have DD5.1 and DTS, but not DPLII. I don't believe DPLII existed when I bought it. Serviceable, but frankly, justifies replacement.
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