You know Jorge, I didn't go overly crazy when searching out a replacement for when my Marantz died a while back. I set an arbitrary retail price limit of around $500-600 US and figured on a 10-15% discount. Maybe even no tax. I figured that ought to get me something pretty nice looking that appealed to my subjective side. In another thread, I outlined some of my criteria and I just don't feel like repeating it again. Changers...I don't know. I've tended to look at them as getting clunky and noisy as time goes on. That would kind of piss me off. Maybe if I replace the connectors and get put the changer up on myrtle blocks it'll be more high end
Personally, I think Onkyo did a nice job with that unit and if it lasts me 5-10 years I'll be happy.
Didn't you guys have a look see at that unit where you are and if so, what did you think?
To reply to smitty...The post to which I responded appeared to me to be suggesting that all reasonably well-designed CD players sound the same.
This might depend on how we define well-designed and specify the conditions under which two CDP's are evaluated. Level matching ain't so easy smitty and when you consider that the CD spec is 2 volts output, then units which are 1.501V and 2.499V are still considered in spec. If you don't level match, you'll pick up on what mcnarnus mentioned earlier.There seems to be a general consensus among those in the "objectivist" camp that all reasonably well-designed solid state amps sound the same.
Again, level matching is important. One can have an arguably well-designed solid state amp with around 0.5-1.0 ohm output impedance that when paired with a relatively low nominal impedance speaker will no longer be flat 20-20K. That's known. Maybe a better way of saying it is if you take two amps, level match them such that neither amp is driven beyond its capabilities
, you'll be hard pressed to tell the difference reliably. Under no circumstances does either my interpretation or yours mean that any amp can drive any speaker equally well. Nope. You choose your speaker first, figure out its 'idiosyncracies', and choose an amp that'll drive it to the volumes you want at the distances you sit with the music you listen to. Using a sub, especially in a 2 channel setup, just makes life easier.Assuming both propositions are correct, and cables make no difference (another proposition routinely advanced by "objectivists"), should not any combination of a reasonably well-designed CD player and reasonably well-designed SS amp sound the same, if played through the same set of speakers or headphones?
Reread my reply above. In addition, some amps for whatever reasons may have issues with outside intereference or have a propensity to ground loops. Spec's don't tell much. Measurements are better but even most measurements made don't account for weird scenarios that happen from time to time. How an amp behaves within 20-20K is one thing. How it behaves outside of that region may be important depending upon what's feeding it. Do a search under my name and 'Rega Planet' for an example. Level matching, and by that I don't mean using an SPL meter, is the key here. It's a big key.As far as simplifying the matter to the point of absurdity, I'm just trying to illuminate the issue a little, for the benefit of folks who might stumble onto this thread and be fooled into thinking that alll well-designed CD players sound the same, regardless of how each handles the digital to analogue conversion.
Look if you don't level match and do blind tests you'll pick up differences. Sometimes rather substantial. If you do level match using test tones and a VOM, things change. Big time. Now, if you've got a slew of level matched comparisons that illustrate the majority of well-designed CDP's don't sound the same, let us in on it. Otherwise...