AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Plasma Flat Panel Displays › pioneer pdp 5080 vs samsung fpt5084
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

pioneer pdp 5080 vs samsung fpt5084

post #1 of 43
12/31/07 at 6:53am
Thread Starter 
I Just Purchased The Pio Pdp5080 Over Samsung Fpt5084 (same Price), Did I Make A Good Choice? Would There Have Been A Difference In Picture Quality In The Fpt5084 It Being A 1080p? The Blue Ray(ps3) Picture Quality Is Awesome With My Pioneer But The Satelite Tv Is Not As Impresive, But I Cant Blame The Tv For That.i Was Told The The Pioneer Is 720p That Upscales To A 1080p,is This As Good As The Samsung That Is Full 1080p?

Thanks
Reply
Reply

AVS Top Picks

post #2 of 43
12/31/07 at 6:56am
I'm a big fan of Samsung and in the future they will dominate the flat panel market, but right now the Kuro is the undisputed leader in PQ
Reply
Reply
post #3 of 43
12/31/07 at 9:40am
Quote:
Originally Posted by omeletpants View Post

I'm a big fan of Samsung and in the future they will dominate the flat panel market...

Can you see the future? That's a pretty bold statement.
Reply
Reply
post #4 of 43
12/31/07 at 10:09am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Can you see the future? That's a pretty bold statement.

Why do you think it's a bold statement? Samsung is already the largest flat panel producer in the world. They have the financial resources that Pioneer nor Panasonic doesn't have. Samsung has poured billions into flat panel R&D in the last few year. Pioneer plasma division is hanging on by a shoestring. My statements seem fairly conservative.
Reply
Reply
post #5 of 43
12/31/07 at 10:31am
Quote:
Originally Posted by omeletpants View Post

Why do you think it's a bold statement? Samsung is already the largest flat panel producer in the world. They have the financial resources that Pioneer nor Panasonic doesn't have. Samsung has poured billions into flat panel R&D in the last few year. Pioneer plasma division is hanging on by a shoestring. My statements seem fairly conservative.

Dont sell panasonic short, Matsushita is a huge company just like samsung
Reply
Reply
post #6 of 43
12/31/07 at 10:39am
Quote:
Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

Dont sell panasonic short, Matsushita is a huge company just like samsung


Except that Panasonic has not shown the willingness to invest in their plasma line. They are basically selling the same technology they were selling 2 years ago with virtually no enchantments. In fact, the 77U is a step backwards and many experts feel the processor is a step down. Yes, they have the resources but have preferred to live on their marketing power and Consumer Reports reputation.
Reply
Reply
post #7 of 43
12/31/07 at 11:13am
Poor guy, no one answers his question...
To the OP. Any of the 2007 sets you buy wether it is the Sammy 84, the pio kuros, or the pannys, you are going to get a good set. The only thing you should worry about is wether your set has any problems. Don't worry about 720 vs 1080 right now. If your set doesn't have any weird lines, dead pixels, loud buzzing, green pixie dust pixels, off centered tilted screen, blotches, studder, stutter, shutter, skipping, hdmi drop outs, pink or green flashes, blotches, streaks, cracked screen, then keep it and enjoy.
Reply
Reply
post #8 of 43
12/31/07 at 12:55pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by sharpjunkie View Post

Poor guy, no one answers his question...
To the OP. Any of the 2007 sets you buy wether it is the Sammy 84, the pio kuros, or the pannys, you are going to get a good set. The only thing you should worry about is wether your set has any problems. Don't worry about 720 vs 1080 right now. If your set doesn't have any weird lines, dead pixels, loud buzzing, green pixie dust pixels, off centered tilted screen, blotches, studder, stutter, shutter, skipping, hdmi drop outs, pink or green flashes, blotches, streaks, cracked screen, then keep it and enjoy.

My choice would have been the 5084 but quite frankly, the top models from any of these companies are roughly equivalent. Just a matter of minor viewing preferences.
Reply
Reply
post #9 of 43
12/31/07 at 1:16pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by cric View Post

I Just Purchased The Pio Pdp5080 Over Samsung Fpt5084 (same Price), Did I Make A Good Choice? Would There Have Been A Difference In Picture Quality In The Fpt5084 It Being A 1080p? The Blue Ray(ps3) Picture Quality Is Awesome With My Pioneer But The Satelite Tv Is Not As Impresive, But I Cant Blame The Tv For That.i Was Told The The Pioneer Is 720p That Upscales To A 1080p,is This As Good As The Samsung That Is Full 1080p?

Thanks

Well let me say that I owned the Samsung FP-T5084 & liked it very much, but it appears that Samsung Quality Control is not the greatest from their Mexico plasma plant. When I received my Samsung 5084, the panel wasn't centered correctly. I lost 10 rows of pixels (vertically) because of sloppy QC. Then, a few days later I was lucky enough to get 3 stuck pixels!

I also noticed the panel being off-center on both BB & CC stores displays, not as bad as my 10 rows of hidden pixels! Anyway...I would have kept the Samsung, but once the price dropped on the Pioneer 5080, the choice was clear! IMHO, nothing can touch Pioneers black levels & color accuracy. The Sammy's are very bright & crisp, but even after tweaking the colors aren't as real as the Pioneer's.

Just my 2 cents worth. Samsung has made HUGE strides, but Pioneer is always a step (or two) ahead of the pack. 720P vs. 1080P I won't touch, but I can say you "will not" tell the difference when sitting 8"+ away from your set.

Omeletpants & Discopaul are Samsung fanboys & there is nothing wrong with that because I do like the 5084! Just that their QC is pretty shaky @ best! Sit back & enjoy your Pioneer. BTW...I had one intermittent stuck pixel on the 5080 & I ran JScreen Fix Deluxe today & to my amazement, the pixel is working just fine now!

Have Fun!

Alex
Reply
Reply
post #10 of 43
12/31/07 at 1:27pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BOSTON-HD View Post

Well let me say that I owned the Samsung FP-T5084 & liked it very much, but it appears that Samsung Quality Control is not the greatest from their Mexico plasma plant. When I received my Samsung 5084, the panel wasn't centered correctly. I lost 10 rows of pixels (vertically) because of sloppy QC. Then, a few days later I was lucky enough to get 3 stuck pixels!

I also noticed the panel being off-center on both BB & CC stores displays, not as bad as my 10 rows of hidden pixels! Anyway...I would have kept the Samsung, but once the price dropped on the Pioneer 5080, the choice was clear! IMHO, nothing can touch Pioneers black levels & color accuracy. The Sammy's are very bright & crisp, but even after tweaking the colors aren't as real as the Pioneer's.

Just my 2 cents worth. Samsung has made HUGE strides, but Pioneer is always a step (or two) ahead of the pack. 720P vs. 1080P I won't touch, but I can say you "will not" tell the difference when sitting 8"+ away from your set.

Omeletpants & Discopaul are Samsung fanboys & there is nothing wrong with that because I do like the 5084! Just that their QC is pretty shaky @ best! Sit back & enjoy your Pioneer. BTW...I had one intermittent stuck pixel on the 5080 & I ran JScreen Fix Deluxe today & to my amazement, the pixel is working just fine now!

Have Fun!

Alex

Umm, I guess you're just choosing to ignore the kuro threads complaining about buzzing, streaks, blobs, stuck pixels, customer service, etc. I just know that if those complaints were about Sammies and not Pioneer, all the pio people would be saying Sammy sucks, you get what you pay for, Pioneers never have those problems, etc.
Reply
Reply
post #11 of 43
12/31/07 at 2:09pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by omeletpants View Post

Except that Panasonic has not shown the willingness to invest in their plasma line. They are basically selling the same technology they were selling 2 years ago with virtually no enchantments. In fact, the 77U is a step backwards and many experts feel the processor is a step down. Yes, they have the resources but have preferred to live on their marketing power and Consumer Reports reputation.

Rumor is that this past year was a "breather" for panasonic. 2008/2009 should be big years for panasonic in the plasma arena. They are dumping tons into R&D for plasma's.
Reply
Reply
post #12 of 43
12/31/07 at 2:35pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BOSTON-HD View Post

Well let me say that I owned the Samsung FP-T5084 & liked it very much, but it appears that Samsung Quality Control is not the greatest from their Mexico plasma plant. When I received my Samsung 5084, the panel wasn't centered correctly. I lost 10 rows of pixels (vertically) because of sloppy QC. Then, a few days later I was lucky enough to get 3 stuck pixels!

I also noticed the panel being off-center on both BB & CC stores displays, not as bad as my 10 rows of hidden pixels! Anyway...I would have kept the Samsung, but once the price dropped on the Pioneer 5080, the choice was clear! IMHO, nothing can touch Pioneers black levels & color accuracy. The Sammy's are very bright & crisp, but even after tweaking the colors aren't as real as the Pioneer's.

Just my 2 cents worth. Samsung has made HUGE strides, but Pioneer is always a step (or two) ahead of the pack. 720P vs. 1080P I won't touch, but I can say you "will not" tell the difference when sitting 8"+ away from your set.

Omeletpants & Discopaul are Samsung fanboys & there is nothing wrong with that because I do like the 5084! Just that their QC is pretty shaky @ best! Sit back & enjoy your Pioneer. BTW...I had one intermittent stuck pixel on the 5080 & I ran JScreen Fix Deluxe today & to my amazement, the pixel is working just fine now!

Have Fun!

Alex

THANKS ALEX, I APRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK.

CRIC
Reply
Reply
post #13 of 43
12/31/07 at 3:00pm
Discopaul: Yes...I have read the issues that the Pioneer KURO has, but to me, the incorrect centering of the panel is just plain sloppy on Samsungs end, In fact, as I mentioned it's pretty bad that when I go to 2 B&M stores they all had the same issue (plus or minus) That shouldn't happen period!

I'm not nit-picking here, just that I'm going by what expereinced I have with both sets. Every manufacturer has issues period. Humans are involved, but the real issue is the % of sets that have problems. In this group, we tend to lookover our purchase with a fine-tooth comb, your average Joe/Jane doesn't, hence we find more problems.

BTW...My 5084 hummed pretty bad in bright sceens, the Pio doesn't make a sound. Maybe I got lucky! As I said, 5080 & 5084 are both fine sets, just that I perfer the Pioneer.
Reply
Reply
post #14 of 43
12/31/07 at 3:07pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

Rumor is that this past year was a "breather" for panasonic. 2008/2009 should be big years for panasonic in the plasma arena. They are dumping tons into R&D for plasma's.

Does "breather" mean "wake up call"? I think there was certain amount of arrogance on Panasonic's part and that their fans would buy anything. I do believe that they will try to come back strong with some thing big. We'll see if they have it in them, but frankly innovation has never been their strong suit.
Reply
Reply
post #15 of 43
12/31/07 at 4:00pm
my 5084 didnt have the same problems as bostons, luckly i got a great set with none of the issues above and im beyond satisfied and im happy i didnt go with the pioneer.
Reply
Reply
post #16 of 43
12/31/07 at 4:23pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by intheb0x View Post

my 5084 didnt have the same problems as bostons, luckly i got a great set with none of the issues above and im beyond satisfied and im happy i didnt go with the pioneer.

I would have kept my 5084 in a heart-beat if there wasn't the "issues" Inthebox...As I recall you have had your 5084 for a while now @ that point the 5080 was selling @ close to 3K. I remember reading "Please help me find the best price on my 5084" Wasn't that you about 6+ weeks back?
Reply
Reply
post #17 of 43
12/31/07 at 7:29pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by discopaul View Post

Umm, I guess you're just choosing to ignore the kuro threads complaining about buzzing, streaks, blobs, stuck pixels, customer service, etc. I just know that if those complaints were about Sammies and not Pioneer, all the pio people would be saying Sammy sucks, you get what you pay for, Pioneers never have those problems, etc.

There is no perfect set out there; we just have to pick the one with the defects that we are willing to live with. I'm not going to bother listing the issues with the 5084; there are threads on this forum dedicated to that very topic. Just remember, none are perfect.

For superior picture quality, I vote for the Pioneer.
Reply
Reply
post #18 of 43
12/31/07 at 7:35pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by cric View Post

I Just Purchased The Pio Pdp5080 Over Samsung Fpt5084 (same Price), Did I Make A Good Choice? Would There Have Been A Difference In Picture Quality In The Fpt5084 It Being A 1080p? The Blue Ray(ps3) Picture Quality Is Awesome With My Pioneer But The Satelite Tv Is Not As Impresive, But I Cant Blame The Tv For That.i Was Told The The Pioneer Is 720p That Upscales To A 1080p,is This As Good As The Samsung That Is Full 1080p?

Thanks

yes, you made a good choice.
no, resolution is well down the list of what makes good pq.
yes, all hdm (regardless of color) is real good on hd sets.
yes, satellite tv does have issues at times.
no, the pio doesn't upscale to 1080p, it displays in it's native resolution.
yes, it's better than the samsung "full 1080p".

what is it with the capital letter at the beginning of every word??? why do people do that? it makes it very difficult to read.
Reply
Reply
post #19 of 43
12/31/07 at 7:57pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BOSTON-HD View Post

I would have kept my 5084 in a heart-beat if there wasn't the "issues" Inthebox...As I recall you have had your 5084 for a while now @ that point the 5080 was selling @ close to 3K. I remember reading "Please help me find the best price on my 5084" Wasn't that you about 6+ weeks back?

to my best knoweldge it was a post about the 5054 i had, and it was find the best price on my 5054 if i can remember right.
to be honest i just glanced at the pioneer. i didnt recall what the price was on the set just trying to find something to replace my 5054 right away, because it did not give me that wow factor and i had dancing green pixels and some ir problems.
Reply
Reply
post #20 of 43
1/1/08 at 2:42am
I don't have first hand experience with either set, but compounded by my current 2006 model samsung troubles and inability to buy a panny due to vga resolution I too have been trying to compare these two... the 5080 is a few hundred more than the 5084 and i view from 6ft so it looks like i'm still stuck going with the 5084, which i'm reluctant to do... guess it's time to wait for CES offerings eh?
Reply
Reply
post #21 of 43
1/1/08 at 3:36am
Quote:
Originally Posted by boostfrenzy View Post

I don't have first hand experience with either set, but compounded by my current 2006 model samsung troubles and inability to buy a panny due to vga resolution I too have been trying to compare these two... the 5080 is a few hundred more than the 5084 and i view from 6ft so it looks like i'm still stuck going with the 5084, which i'm reluctant to do... guess it's time to wait for CES offerings eh?

Don't be reluctant to buy the Samsung 5084, just that might have to return a couple to get the near perfect set. Even though I had some issues, it's really a very fine plasma! If anything the 5084 has it all! 1080P, excellent picture, 1080P thru component, 3 HDMI's & 1080P via VGA & the list goes on! Not to mention that you can pick one up for a good price even @ a B&M store.

I like my Pioneer 5080, but the Sammy 5084 seems like your pick considering your viewing distance. Pull the trigger & don't look back.
Reply
Reply
post #22 of 43
1/1/08 at 5:16am
I saw the Sammy 5084 yesterday next to the Panny 700U in a Sears store. (same price for both, out of stock for both). The sound seemed equal, PQ a little better on the Sammy. The anti reflective screen seemed to work better on the Sammy. Sound, PQ, and glare are my concerns. My questions:

I've read a lot about off center panels on the Sammy (a stand issue or panel issue?), is it common?

I've read a lot about a buzzing sound. Is this common?

Ther doesn't seem to be any issues with the Panny 700U.

Other than that I'd like to buy one, now for a $600 difference thru Amazon, is the Sammy safe to buy on line or should I spend the extra at a B&M to cover myself in case I need to return it? I don't know how easy it would be to reconcile tilt screen/buzz with an on line retailer. Are they issues a Sammy tech would come out and fix?
Or should I shell out the bucks for the seemingly issue free Panny? I don't like the Panny 75u, (anti glare coating too obvious). Thanks for any input.
Reply
Reply
post #23 of 43
1/1/08 at 6:07am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xqzme View Post

I've read a lot about off center panels on the Sammy (a stand issue or panel issue?), is it common?

I've read a lot about a buzzing sound. Is this common?

Ther doesn't seem to be any issues with the Panny 700U.

People have reported problems from every type of screen here ever made. Unfortunately thats a downside of mass production is there will always be a few bad ones that make it past QC. The buzzing is a really common plasma issue.
Reply
Reply
post #24 of 43
1/1/08 at 11:48am
i do not have a off center sammy and also the one instore at BB is not off center.
so i think the only one to report on the issues of the sammy are boston. he was not lucky with the set.
Reply
Reply
post #25 of 43
1/1/08 at 11:52am
Quote:
Originally Posted by ewitte View Post

People have reported problems from every type of screen here ever made. Unfortunately thats a downside of mass production is there will always be a few bad ones that make it past QC. The buzzing is a really common plasma issue.

i purchased the 5884. when it arrive from amazon. it was slightly tilting to the right side. I adjusted the tv and stand to correct the issue. I do not have any buzzing on my plasma. From what I can tell without doing any test my sreen doesnt appear to be off center.
Reply
Reply
post #26 of 43
1/1/08 at 12:48pm
how are you guys verifying that they're off center?
Reply
Reply
post #27 of 43
1/1/08 at 2:08pm
Well, the closest CC's in my area has a 5084 on display with offset panels. Another CC I visited had two 5084's on display, one centered, one offset by 3 pixels. The closest BB has one with the panel offset by 1 pixel and one that's perfectly centered.

On another note, awaiting the delivery of my 5084. Love the overall PQ. Looked at the 5080 and Panny. Will get a XBR also after tax time.

Look at the screen around the border and notice where the mask edge is. You can also use an alignment disc to see the offset.
Reply
Reply
post #28 of 43
1/1/08 at 5:07pm
why a alignment disk? what one can u download off the net?
i thought you could tell by looking close at the set while its on to check to see if all the black bars are on both sides and the top and bottom the 1/4inch bars.
why is a disk needed?
from looking at that i can tell it is center.

Relicksc why would a BB or a CC have2 of the same sets on display?
Reply
Reply
post #29 of 43
1/1/08 at 5:44pm
Is it just me or ?... but through all my reading on all Samsung PDP threads, it appear that Samsung panels owners have far more complaints than other thread like Pioneer and Panasonic.

I know that every brand have their problems but HEY! Samsung seems to be the king on issues... nothing scientific here, just so much reading on AVS...

Samsung panel have a beautiful picture but i don't feel i can trust this brand.

At first these 2 set are very tempting to me but after all samsung thread reading i stay on my first position to surely buy a 5080... maybe someone change my though on this?

Is it just me or ? ...
Reply
Reply
post #30 of 43
1/1/08 at 6:32pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tchan View Post

Is it just me or ?... but through all my reading on all Samsung PDP threads, it appear that Samsung panels owners have far more complaints than other thread like Pioneer and Panasonic.

I know that every brand have their problems but HEY! Samsung seems to be the king on issues... nothing scientific here, just so much reading on AVS...

Samsung panel have a beautiful picture but i don't feel i can trust this brand.

At first these 2 set are very tempting to me but after all samsung thread reading i stay on my first position to surely buy a 5080... maybe someone change my though on this?

Is it just me or ? ...

Is it just me or does it seem with all the buzzing, streaking, blotching, etc complaints about Pioneer that they have some major quality and manufacturing issues?
Reply
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Plasma Flat Panel Displays

AVS Top Picks

AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › Plasma Flat Panel Displays › pioneer pdp 5080 vs samsung fpt5084