Official Logitech Harmony One thread - Page 349

1. Cable Works fine 'except' when newly added "Listen to Music" activity is selected FIRST.
2. Audio is fine when "Watch TV' activity is selected (AVR>TV>DVR)
2. a. I tried changing from: AVR > DVR to: DVR > AVR (still skips)

Funny thing is, the problem is ONLY when new "Listen to Music" activity is selected FIRST.
I am wondering if there is a delay I could add after first device (or before 2nd device?) that may solve this. can delays be added?

a) If I 1st select the new activity "Listen to Music" (get skips), THEN select activity "Watch TV" (no skips), THEN select "Listen to Music", I get no skips.
b) Selecting "Watch DVD" activity, THEN changed to "Listen to Music". No skips.

And of course I can manually turn on the AVR and DVR and get no skips as well.

Playing with the issue more it seems that if the AVR is already on audio drop skips do not occur.
Ex 1) AVR already on via "Watch TV". I then select "Listen to Music" and Harmony simply turns off TV. Audio is fine in both activities.

Ex 2) AVR already on via "Watch DVD'. I then select "Listen to Music" and Harmony turns on DVR. Audio is fine in both activities.

Anyone familiar with the four different delay types to know which may be my culprit?
Power On Delay (I just tried changing from default 2000ms to 3000ms- did not fix problem.)
Inter-Key Delay
Input Delay
Inter-Device Delay

This article explains these delays and how to change them. It 'seems' to me Power on Delay, might be the one to increase, but since my first test failed, I thought I'd see if anyone had any insights on this to save me testing in the dark, so to speak.
http://blog.logitech.com/2010/08/24/harmony-tips-and-tricks-adjusting-speed-setting-so-you-dont-always-use-the-help-button/

Thanks

OK, it is a handshake issue.

Make sure that the sequence of power on for the devices is AVR > DVR, and change the Power On delay for the DVR to a very high number, like 10000, and test. If that works you can then start lowering the delay to the point where if fails, and then revert to the last working setting.

Thank you, it seems to have worked.

What are the "discreet codes" and what are they for?

Discrete codes are command that perform a specific function, and are often not found on the original remote. The most common discrete codes are Power ON and Power Off. The commands can be issued and have no impact if the particular function has already be accepted. The opposite would be a Power On/Off toggle command which when issues changes the device from one state to the other.

There are never sufficient Discrete Code implemented on most products, especially where you have to navigate some menu/setting tree to change something.

Hi - I am trying to configure the following activity:

TV - ON
TV - (Input) HDMI3
AVR - ON
AVR - (Input) DVD
TV - To Control Volume

Problem is with the following - trying to configure the following as the next action (to change the sound mode):
TV MENU > SoundMenu > Speaker Select > TV Speaker
AND
AVR MENU > Setup > HDMI - Audio Output > TV

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!!

It is not clear that you understand how to use Activities, but it seems that you would like to have two activities, one for "Watch DVD w/AVR" with sound being handled by the AVR, and the second for "Watch DVD no AVR" with the sound being handled by the TV.

With both these activities you are suggesting that the DVD is connected to the AVR via HDMI and that the AVR is connected to the TV on HDMI3 input. What AVR do you have and does it support HDMI pass-thru when it is not powered on? If it does not support this and the AVR is always on, why would you want to use the TV speakers?

Provide some feedback to help make it clear what you are trying to accomplish rather than what you have done.

Thanks for your input. I am trying to configure ONE activity - "Watch DVD" where sound is handled by TV (AVR is turned on to utilize the video upscaling).

You are right that the BD/DVD player is connected to AVR (AVR's DVD input) via HDMI and the AVR is connected to TV via HDMI on HDMI3 input. My AVR Yamaha RX-Z7 and (I guess) it does support HDMI pass-through when its not powered on (although I want it to be turned on during this activity).

I want to use the TV speakers for night time watching. I dont have any HDMI inputs left on my AVR and my BD player has only one HDMI out. If possible, I want to avoid running an optical cable.

The activity can be accomplished manually using the actions that I listed above. I have no clue on how to configure these actions:
From Devices (in harmony remote) > Select TV > Menu (button on harmony remote) > (scroll down to) Sound Menu > Speaker Select > TV Speaker (Currently using External Speaker)
AND
From Devices (in harmony remote) > Select AVR > Menu (button on harmony remote) > (scroll down to) Setup > HDMI - Audio Output > TV (Currently using Amp)

Thanks for your help!

As you use the AVR for night time viewing, I do not understand why you would want to use the TV speakers. The AVR could be reconfigured to use one of the audio modes that reduce or eliminate subwoofer use, e.g. Direct Mode of Dynamic Compression.

But that was not your question.

When the AVR Audio Output is set to Amp, and the TV is set to Internal Speakers, do you get sound from both speaker attached to the AVR and from the TV speakers? If you only get sound from the speakers attached to the AVR the solution is to only adjust the setting in the AVR. If you get sound from both, the then more commands are involved (fewer are better).

In an ideal world there would be discrete codes to turn these features on and off without having to navigate to them via a menu. But these do not exist.

You will need a pair of activities for each generic activity that you need to use in night mode, e.g., Watch DVD and Watch DVD Nightmode. In the Nightmode activity, add actions when the Activity is entered and when the Activity is left. Do this with the software from Activities, Review the settings for this activity, Yes but add more control, Save, Next x2. Add commands one by one to navigate the menu for the appropriate device to change the sound parameter for bother the enter this Activity, and the reverse for the leave this Activity.

This may work most of the time, but problems arise if one of the commands is missed, particularly one of the scroll down commands. When the systems gets out of sync you will have to go in manually and correct the settings to match the current Activity. This is a nightmare where multiple people use the remote are are not savvy to your settings.

Bottom line, just use your regular speakers and configure the Watch DVD activity with AVR commands to select Night Mode and Standard Mode. Sorry, I could not resist.

Well I think I may be part of the white screen of death group.

Recently the wife let the battery die down all the way. When we charged, the remote rebooted

Got a multicolor (primarily blue) screen

Then a pure white screen

When I let the remote sleep, and woke it, the activities were still there but the screen was all messed up(pixilated, off center).

I removed reinsterted battery, didn't fix.

Updated firmware to latest - didn't fix.

Then I just started doing a lot of quick insert remove battery and finally it did boot normally.

That was about 3-4 weeks ago.

I recently got some new devices so I created some activities. Well after uploading, I got the same issue again.Tried my fix from before and to no avail. I just can't get the remote to boot up properly. I don't have a constant white screen, it just lasts during the boot up process, then let remote sleep, then wake and screen is all pixilated(I'll snap a pic tonigth and post it)

Anyone have any suggestions?

Also I found out that pressing Power+OK+0 will initiate a reboot without removing the battery.

Picture of what is happening

Edited by Nesto1 - 1/15/13 at 4:44pm

 

It's dead, Jim.

Anyone else notice that Logitech's web site only has 4 remotes on it now? The H1 is no longer there as a current product.

That is because it has been replaced, in Logitech's opinion, by the Harmony Touch.

Hello,

I have a Pioneer sc1227k receiver hooked up to a sharp quattron 830u tv. All my devices, are connected to the receiver via hdmi and then one output hdmi cable to the tv (input 1). How do I have my harmony one remote select the AV mode on the tv depending on what activity I want to do.

Example 1) When my activity is to 'watch tv' I want my tv to goto 'movie' mode

Example 2) When my activity is play playstation 3, i want my tv to goto 'game' mode.

Currently I have to manually change my AV mode (on the tv) to either 'movie' or 'game' everytime I change activities.

Any ideas?

thanks for any help.

Do you have buttons on the original remote to directly select these modes? If so, enter the required button, used to select those modes, as startup commands for the corresponding activity.

If these buttons are not on the original remote you could try searching to find out if there are discrete codes to directly set the modes.

Finally, if no discrete codes exist you could try entering all the key presses to select the mode as startup commands. However, this will fail if the button presses are different based on the last mode set.

thanks, unfortunately there's no direct buttons for these modes, u basically hit one button (av mode) multiple times to get to the mode u want. The last option would be difficult and wouldn't work all of the time. I'll see if the second option is possible.

I have a similar setup as you. The only method I found to deal with this problem is create a screen button labeled Movie Mode" on a screen of each activity, replicating the AV button on the Sharp remote. You do have to press it numerous times but you eventually learn how many presses you need to get to the screen you want. I asked this question before & got no answers. If you figure a way please post it as I would be very interested. I think you need the discreet codes.

thanks for the idea.

I thought playing games on a 70" was cool. 80" must be insane?

i wouldn't know, my tv model is a 46" 830u, not an 83", haha

ieatbugs,

Discrete codes for video modes are very rare. I found some on my Toshiba TV by brute force search with a JP1 remote, but I've never seen them on any other brand. You could perform a similar brute force search using an RCA RCRP05BR JP1 remote to try all 256 possible command codes. Many devices, including your Sharp, use 1 byte commands, hence 256 possible codes, even though the device's remote may only have 40 or so commands.

Another solution you may want to consider is an HDMI matrix. Since each input on your TV has it's own video settings and will remember them, using multiple inputs is a way to avoid having to set the modes. For example, use HDMI 1 for movie mode, HDMI 2 for game mode, etc.

But I've found that simply calibrating my display gives me optimum results for all sources. So I don't use the manufacturer's mode settings at all, which also avoids your issue.

While the separate input sounds good, it won't work in all situations especially if using a AVR with one cable out. I do have the ability to run a separate cable from my Oppo to my TV input 2 but isn't the goal to simplify this? I also had my TV ISF calibrated. My results is that the DVD provides perfect color output but my TW cable box pumps up certain colors. I had to dial it down a notch & save this setting to "User" mode on the Sharp. I switch to "Movie mode" for the perfect blu ray feeds. So I am back to the original problem faced by the poster unless I want to use another cable as you suggested.

This is complicated to implement, but it is probably the best software solution. What you need to do is take advantage of harmony's input state tracking for tracking the video modes. So make a pseudo input cycle, but use video mode commands instead. Here's basically how it would work. Your TV always uses the same input, so you don't need to ever change TV inputs. So replace the TV input cycle with a TV video mode cycle. It sounds like you want input method 3 (menu cycle). Replace the input cycle commands with the commands you use to choose video modes. Then in your activity, choose a video mode rather than an input. To get a better understanding, check out THIS description from logitech. But think video modes instead of inputs.

Hey guys, just got my Harmony One yesterday. I have one annoying issue with it so far. When I tried running Audyssey I got passed the first step in test tones when I tried to scroll down to the next step it wouldn't do anything. I made sure I was on the receiver activity with the remote.

Same issue when I went to the dock (iPod) input on my receiver, was able to get to that function , selected music , but when I wanted to scroll down to artist it wouldn't scroll down.
Also tried using my Denon (3312 receiver) remote, wouldn't work either.

Thanks for any advice you can give me.

Then your issue is not with the Harmony, but rather with the Denon. I recommend you ask this question in the model-specific Denon thread. Good luck.

I'll do that 120, thanks...

The problem is the Harmony database does not map the up and down commands to those buttons. Just use the software to change the mapping of those keys.

I need some help.

I had to reimage my main pc and now I can't get the Harmony software to update the remote. I downloaded the software, version 7.7 on a Win7 pc. I made all of my new changes because we moved from D* to ATT Uverse and now when I plug the remote into the pc, the remote says USB connected and I press Update Remote and I get the message saying to plug in the remote or press a button to wake it up. I have tried this on another Win7 pc and it is doing the exact same thing. Is there anything else I should try?

Give members.harmonyremote.com a try. Sometimes that works when the standalone software fails. It uses the same config and login as 7.7. You'll get a few warnings, but just click through them. It may take a few tries to log in, but it will eventually work.