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post #10531 of 10804
You need to increase the power on delay for the 8801 to a larger value. The firmware in AVR needs some time to be activated to accept additional commands after being powered on. Go to Devices, Settings, Adjust the delays (speed settings), and increase the Power on Delay. It may be set at about 500 and may need a value as high as 5000.
post #10532 of 10804
Total and I mean total noob question. I want to get a Harmony One remote and am wondering how these things work exactly. For example, I know the buttons on the Harmony aren't one for one with lets say an AVR (mine is Denon 3312). When I am operating my Denon how would i know how the buttons map to the Harmony? I know the basics like power, volume etc. are self explanatory. How would some of the more detailed ones like manuevering from movie, standard or sports themes on the remote go or navigating through the audyssey setup, etc. Again, I appreciate any help. I am thinking about getting a refurb harmony one from ebay. Let me know if others have horror stories on that. My current HT setup will include

Denon 3312
Samnsung 64' PN64E533
Sony S590 (blu ray)
Comcast HD cable
Roku HD
post #10533 of 10804
The H1 can be configured to match all the buttons on your original Denon remote as well as commands that are not on the remote, but the latter takes some additional work. The software makes the initial assignment of the buttons, spread across the hard buttons, and the soft buttons (multiple pages of the touch screen). You can change these as you like.

The remote is activity based, so you define the activities you use, like Watch TV, Watch DVD, etc. In this mode the remote combines keys from multiple devices into one operating mode. For example in Watch TV mode the volume buttons will control the AVR while the numeric buttons, skip, and channel up/down will control your STB.

Make sure that the eBay seller guarantees the unit and offers money back. Some sellers have non working products that are sold for spare parts. Price is usually a good indicator. If it seems too good to be true.......
post #10534 of 10804
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Originally Posted by BPlayer View Post

The H1 can be configured to match all the buttons on your original Denon remote as well as commands that are not on the remote, but the latter takes some additional work. The software makes the initial assignment of the buttons, spread across the hard buttons, and the soft buttons (multiple pages of the touch screen). You can change these as you like.

The remote is activity based, so you define the activities you use, like Watch TV, Watch DVD, etc. In this mode the remote combines keys from multiple devices into one operating mode. For example in Watch TV mode the volume buttons will control the AVR while the numeric buttons, skip, and channel up/down will control your STB.

Make sure that the eBay seller guarantees the unit and offers money back. Some sellers have non working products that are sold for spare parts. Price is usually a good indicator. If it seems too good to be true.......

Thank you! Yeah, the seller gaurantess 14day money back and 30day exchange for new. They are pricing it at $99 and have thousands of positive reviews so i am hoping smile.gif Hm, so do I just have to memorize which button maps up front since they aren't labeled the same from factory remote to the One? I am probably over thinking this for sure and tell me to shut up if i am haha. I am just worried that after I program it it will take me 10mins to navigate through detailed needs on my AVR like customizing scenes, etc. However, maybe I combo the customization with using on screen menus and only really need the arrow keys. Anyway, thanks for your help. I am trying to decide if I should get this or something like a roomie remote (Itach as well).
post #10535 of 10804

It will take you a while on the website (which you can browse without a device to get a feel for it) but you will have basic functions in no time. If you like to tinker, you can spend hours "fine-tuning," but, as has been said before, once you're set up, you (or a less tech-savvy other) will press "Watch TV," and everything will boot up and switch to the correct settings and work.

Magic.

post #10536 of 10804
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Total and I mean total noob question. I want to get a Harmony One remote and am wondering how these things work exactly. For example, I know the buttons on the Harmony aren't one for one with lets say an AVR (mine is Denon 3312). When I am operating my Denon how would i know how the buttons map to the Harmony? I know the basics like power, volume etc. are self explanatory. How would some of the more detailed ones like manuevering from movie, standard or sports themes on the remote go or navigating through the audyssey setup, etc. Again, I appreciate any help. I am thinking about getting a refurb harmony one from ebay. Let me know if others have horror stories on that. My current HT setup will include

Denon 3312
Samnsung 64' PN64E533
Sony S590 (blu ray)
Comcast HD cable
Roku HD
IMO this is the best bang for your buck remote on the market. It can do just about anything you need it to do. Basic key functions are easy. Click the device button and now you have access to just about every additional button your other devices have via the touch screen. For my AVR(Yamaha 2010) I have 11 pages on the touch screen(6/page). I don't use all of them, but the ones I use I've grouped together for faster access. I kept the original AVR remote handy for about a month until I got comfortable with the One. Now it resides in a box with about six other remotes. Are you aware that Logitech is having financial troubles. I mention this because currently no one knows what's going to happen with support. I've been a harmony user for about ten years and I hope they are purchased by someone that will continue support. Just thought you should know about that before you make a purchase.
post #10537 of 10804
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Originally Posted by pappaduke View Post

IMO this is the best bang for your buck remote on the market. It can do just about anything you need it to do. Basic key functions are easy. Click the device button and now you have access to just about every additional button your other devices have via the touch screen. For my AVR(Yamaha 2010) I have 11 pages on the touch screen(6/page). I don't use all of them, but the ones I use I've grouped together for faster access. I kept the original AVR remote handy for about a month until I got comfortable with the One. Now it resides in a box with about six other remotes. Are you aware that Logitech is having financial troubles. I mention this because currently no one knows what's going to happen with support. I've been a harmony user for about ten years and I hope they are purchased by someone that will continue support. Just thought you should know about that before you make a purchase.

Yeah, i saw the issue about them going bankrupt. I figured someone has to purchase them, right? lol, fingers crossed. Anyway, i just purchased a refurb harmony one on ebay. I can't wait!
post #10538 of 10804
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Originally Posted by BPlayer View Post

You need to increase the power on delay for the 8801 to a larger value. The firmware in AVR needs some time to be activated to accept additional commands after being powered on. Go to Devices, Settings, Adjust the delays (speed settings), and increase the Power on Delay. It may be set at about 500 and may need a value as high as 5000.


I don't think I saw that option regarding delay time. There were 3 listed I think, but I don't think power on was one of them. I will check later.

Thanks.
post #10539 of 10804
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Yeah, i saw the issue about them going bankrupt. I figured someone has to purchase them, right? lol, fingers crossed. Anyway, i just purchased a refurb harmony one on ebay. I can't wait!
I'm quite sure you will love this remote. I've read posts from others that tried various remotes and this seems to be the one of choice. No pun intended. Welcome to the club.
post #10540 of 10804
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Originally Posted by pappaduke View Post

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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Yeah, i saw the issue about them going bankrupt. I figured someone has to purchase them, right? lol, fingers crossed. Anyway, i just purchased a refurb harmony one on ebay. I can't wait!
I'm quite sure you will love this remote. I've read posts from others that tried various remotes and this seems to be the one of choice. No pun intended. Welcome to the club.

I am pretty sure I will really love this remote once I get mine replaced. Mine was a refurb purchase and as long as I get a working remote I will be happy. On another note, I am very pleased with the Logitech PS3 adapter. It works perfectly with my old 520 so this One will be amazing.
post #10541 of 10804
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Originally Posted by flashman03 View Post

I am pretty sure I will really love this remote once I get mine replaced. Mine was a refurb purchase and as long as I get a working remote I will be happy. On another note, I am very pleased with the Logitech PS3 adapter. It works perfectly with my old 520 so this One will be amazing.
I use the PS3 adapter also and it works great. I thought it was pricey for what it does, but it works as advertised.
post #10542 of 10804
Yes it is pricey. Too bad Sony went proprietary with using bluetooth instead of going with a normal application. I am just happy I will now only need the one remote.
post #10543 of 10804
I discovered NBC's new subchannel, COZI TV, a couple of weeks ago and it has become one of our favorites. They show classic movies and old TV shows, going as far back as Hopalong Cassidy and The Lone Ranger. But their wasn't an icon for COZI TV on iconharmony.com I asked Squareeyes if he could add it and a day or two later there it was.

Thanks Squareeyes. These icons make the Harmony so much more valuable.
post #10544 of 10804
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Originally Posted by BPlayer View Post

You need to increase the power on delay for the 8801 to a larger value. The firmware in AVR needs some time to be activated to accept additional commands after being powered on. Go to Devices, Settings, Adjust the delays (speed settings), and increase the Power on Delay. It may be set at about 500 and may need a value as high as 5000.

After updating, logging out, reclogging in, that option is now available. I will give that a shot.
post #10545 of 10804
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Hm, so do I just have to memorize which button maps up front since they aren't labeled the same from factory remote to the One? I am probably over thinking this for sure and tell me to shut up if i am haha. I am just worried that after I program it it will take me 10mins to navigate through detailed needs on my AVR like customizing scenes, etc. However, maybe I combo the customization with using on screen menus and only really need the arrow keys.


When you are in the Harmony configuration software, you will be able to get to a screen that has a complete mapping of every key. It will list the hard keys, and the soft keys. It will show, for each key, what the name of it is, what device it is controlling, and what the command from the remote for that device is. So, you'll be able to see exactly what the Harmony is doing, key by key. You will also be able to alter all of these variables, and you will be able to add, delete, and re-order the keys as well. It's very flexible. Some things I just let it do what it wants ("good enough") and in other areas, I tweak things around if it makes more sense to me to do it differently.

You will likely see more commands available to you to use in the configuration software than are available on the original remote. This is because devices can perform more functions than are put onto the remote itself. This is handy. Example: my TV remote has an Input button. Every time you press it, it moves to the next input. When programming the Harmony, I saw that there were discrete commands for Input1, Input2, Input3, etc. Makes things WAY easier to be able to go straight to the desired input.

Last thought -- sometimes when doing something lengthy and/or for the first time, I might keep the original remote handy. I might pull it out and use it if will speed things up. This is because, although it can all be done on the Harmony, I find that the things I use 99.999% of the time are pretty simple, and while I could mess with the Harmony configuration to get it all set up, it's not worth the bother. My objective isn't to throw away the original remotes, but rather just not to have to use them most of the time. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to pull out the original remotes in the last 3+ years.
post #10546 of 10804
Hi - new to the world of the cable company providing a DVR .... had a Panasonic DMREH75 which finally bit the dust. Now I'm locked in to the cable company. Anyway ... fast forwarding through commercials is really painfully hard with this device (Cisco 8640HDC).

Anyone successfully doing skips on this device with the One? To my knowledge there is nothing on the original remote itself that does a skip forward, and the little bit of research I did into it involved some (what seemed to be) very convoluted steps. Hoping there's a better way....
post #10547 of 10804
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Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas View Post

When you are in the Harmony configuration software, you will be able to get to a screen that has a complete mapping of every key. It will list the hard keys, and the soft keys. It will show, for each key, what the name of it is, what device it is controlling, and what the command from the remote for that device is. So, you'll be able to see exactly what the Harmony is doing, key by key. You will also be able to alter all of these variables, and you will be able to add, delete, and re-order the keys as well. It's very flexible. Some things I just let it do what it wants ("good enough") and in other areas, I tweak things around if it makes more sense to me to do it differently.

You will likely see more commands available to you to use in the configuration software than are available on the original remote. This is because devices can perform more functions than are put onto the remote itself. This is handy. Example: my TV remote has an Input button. Every time you press it, it moves to the next input. When programming the Harmony, I saw that there were discrete commands for Input1, Input2, Input3, etc. Makes things WAY easier to be able to go straight to the desired input.

Last thought -- sometimes when doing something lengthy and/or for the first time, I might keep the original remote handy. I might pull it out and use it if will speed things up. This is because, although it can all be done on the Harmony, I find that the things I use 99.999% of the time are pretty simple, and while I could mess with the Harmony configuration to get it all set up, it's not worth the bother. My objective isn't to throw away the original remotes, but rather just not to have to use them most of the time. I can count on one hand the number of times I've had to pull out the original remotes in the last 3+ years.

Thank you, this is a great write up and really helpful!! Is it pretty easy to builid in lag times on devices? (e.g. Turn TV on, wait 2 seconds, turn AVR on wait 5 seconds, turn on cable)I know that is dont via macros. I wish i had it delivered already so I wouldn't have to ask probably very basic questions.
post #10548 of 10804
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Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas View Post

Hi - new to the world of the cable company providing a DVR .... had a Panasonic DMREH75 which finally bit the dust. Now I'm locked in to the cable company. Anyway ... fast forwarding through commercials is really painfully hard with this device (Cisco 8640HDC).

Anyone successfully doing skips on this device with the One? To my knowledge there is nothing on the original remote itself that does a skip forward, and the little bit of research I did into it involved some (what seemed to be) very convoluted steps. Hoping there's a better way....

 

Nothing for a skip function (which, along with the 1.3x play function were the features I missed most when I abandoned my EH85), at least not in my 8640 running TWC Navigator. 

 

I ended up creating two sequences made up of four FF and four REW commands in succession, then assigned those sequences to the skip keys on the remote.  This provides direct access to 4x FF/REW modes with a single keypress.  Not a substitute for a true 30 second skip, but it does help. 


Edited by jcalabria - 2/11/13 at 12:19pm
post #10549 of 10804
You may want to consider a PC based DVR with something like a Ceton InfiniTV. It will save you a lot of money and give you excellent skip functions as well has high speed playback. You can do a couple of skips in a sequence or a number followed by skip to jump that specific number with only 2 key presses, or even jump a specific number of minutes. You can also change the length of skip forward and skip back. With some additional software you can even automatically strip all the commercials from all your recordings so you never have to skip. The rest of the PC interface is far better than the Cisco interface as well.
post #10550 of 10804

I'm already headed well down that path. 

 

I've built two WMC7 PCs so far and have an array of Silicon Dust HDHomerun network attached tuners (six cable card tuners + two OTA tuners + one ClearQam tuner).  One PC in the main family room has been running flawlessly in parallel with the TWC DVR for a year now (the DVR is about to be returned).  A second WMC7 PC has saved me from needing two additional STBs in the basement (it feeds both my office TV and the mancave... errrr, basement family room TV), and a third one is currently being built up from leftover/repurposed components to replace another TWC STB up in the bonus room. 

 

As you noted, WMC7 provides many of the features missing from the TWC boxes such as commercial skip, 1.3x play with intelligible audio, two week guide, advanced search options, customizable channel lineups, etc, etc. 

 

All the WMC setups are or will be used with Harmony remotes (Ones in the main family room and bonus room, and both a 650 and an 880 run the shared PC in the basement).  The remote configurations are set up virtually identically for both PC and DVR/STB operation so that non-techie family members can move seamlessly between them without any operational confusion.

 

My son has also gone down the same path and currently has five(!) WMC7 setups in lieu of TWC boxes in his house.  He is also experimenting with Silicon Dust's new beta software/firmware for the CableCard tuners which supports DLNA streaming of encrypted content to his PS3.


Edited by jcalabria - 2/11/13 at 4:07pm
post #10551 of 10804
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Originally Posted by BPlayer View Post

You need to increase the power on delay for the 8801 to a larger value. The firmware in AVR needs some time to be activated to accept additional commands after being powered on. Go to Devices, Settings, Adjust the delays (speed settings), and increase the Power on Delay. It may be set at about 500 and may need a value as high as 5000.


I changed it to 5000 and it worked! YAY!!!!

When I use the One to start everything up, it goes to the right input, AND, when I power it down, wverything goes off. It does appear that zones 2, 3, and 4 are not going on or being activated...awesome.
post #10552 of 10804
Configuration corrupt? Nothing on the screen until I put it in the charger.

Edit
Got it fixed. Lost the USB driver somehow. Works like it should. Bit of a scare though.
Edited by Den85 - 2/11/13 at 10:03pm
post #10553 of 10804
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Originally Posted by InVinoVeritas View Post

Anyone successfully doing skips on this device with the One? To my knowledge there is nothing on the original remote itself that does a skip forward, and the little bit of research I did into it involved some (what seemed to be) very convoluted steps. Hoping there's a better way....
Have a look at this old post from me. I have been using it successfully for years.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/967841/official-logitech-harmony-one-thread/7590#post_19661777
post #10554 of 10804
Hi guys - thinking about replacing the Pioneer AVR I use as a pre/ro with a marantz AV8801. Do I have to erase all my Harmony One activities and start over, or can I just take the Pioneer AVR out & replace it with the Marantz in all my activities?


Thanks!

Patrick
post #10555 of 10804
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Originally Posted by TL5 View Post
I just take the Pioneer AVR out & replace it with the Marantz in all my activities
 

That's it.

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post #10556 of 10804
I would recommend creating new activities. When it is complete the old activities can be deleted.

From other postings and some basic investigation it looks like the Harmony database does not have a complete set of command in its database for this AVR, e.g., configuration (Device) for Zone 2 to 4, selection of 7.1CH IN. There may be others. You may have to do a reasonable amount of manual "learning" of commands to get them defined.
post #10557 of 10804
^^^ Is there a chance Harmony database will be improved for the Marantz AV8801? Do those things happen? Also, I appreciate the 2 responses to my post...but am a little confused (doesn't take much....) One of you say just to replace the Pioneer with the Marantz in my activities, the other says to create new ones. Is there a benefit to creating new ones vs. just replacing the device?
post #10558 of 10804
It doesn't really matter. I find it easier to add the new device first, then re-run the activity setups, test, then delete the old device. If you delete the old device first, you have to re-run the activity setups anyway. I have at least 30 activities, so I wouldn't want to create all of those from scratch every time I replace a device. That's very impractical. Stepping through the setup wizards again goes very fast because most of the settings don't change. Of course any custom button mappings will change. That's where you'll have to spend most of your time reprogramming.

The Marantz is fairly new, so there is a chance the database may be improved. But I think it's a slim chance and could take a very long time. Since the database is created by user learns, an advanced user could very well add every possible command for every zone. But logitech won't update the public database from one user's input. It takes several users. I think that's unlikely for this model. I imagine most users of high end equipment like this won't be using harmony at all, but a high end remote like Crestron or RTI.

Your best bet is to get familiar with concordance and pronto hex if you want to add every possible command. It's also possible for a new user to submit pronto hex to support and get the commands added to just your account. This can take weeks as well. Otherwise just add the few additional commands you actually intend to use by learning them.
post #10559 of 10804
^^^ Thanks!

Patrick
post #10560 of 10804
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Originally Posted by MNaudioguy View Post

Thank you, this is a great write up and really helpful!! Is it pretty easy to builid in lag times on devices? (e.g. Turn TV on, wait 2 seconds, turn AVR on wait 5 seconds, turn on cable)I know that is dont via macros. I wish i had it delivered already so I wouldn't have to ask probably very basic questions.

When I've modified lag times, I use the PC based software to troubleshoot the activity, and then choose the scenario (e.g., device will not respond to command when it first starts, but will work correctly when I use Help on the remote). The software then takes you to the right place to alter the timings. Since I want the delay to be just enough but not too much, I usually adjust it a little bit at a time until it works. I just recently had to do this and ended up with a 9 second delay. Of course I started at about 4000 milliseconds, and upped it a 1000 at a time, so it was a bunch of re-dos. I never thought it would be that high, but there you go.
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