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post #31 of 178
I have no doubt BR will win the format war when its all said and done.. from the start it simply had a bigger $$$ push. But the war is far from over until every movie is available on a single format. When that happens, will that win definitely provide a positive push for the PS3. Absolutely!

That said I dont expect it to have much outcome on the console war.. Mainly because consumers are concerned about price first and about buzz second. The Wii is the absolute prime example of this. 14 months after it was introduced without a single price cut, you still cant walk into a store and find one.


The most positive effect the PS3 has had was getting the price down from $599 to $399 before Xmas. Once that price gets to $299 in next 12-18 months.. and $199 in the next 24-26 months then you see a real positive effect in that it is now in the range of most consumers wallets.


Price issues being addressed.. I think alot of you guys mistake BR as the second coming of DVD and it simply not that simple. If anything BR is DVD 2.0. And it will never command the attention and market dominance DVD did in the first place, because its just higher definition digital media.. not the analog to digital switchover DVD provided.

I still believe 5 years from now.. As broadband capability and speeds are increased.. while the price is decreased.. that HD movie downloads (to include PPV) over cable, satellite, console, etc will be the most popular way to watch HD movies in the living room. Not either form of HD disc.
post #32 of 178
Toshiba's comment sounds like damage control. It's also convenient that they choose to include PC's in their sales totals for HD-DVD and not include PS3's for Blu-Ray sales. Interesting....
post #33 of 178
The HD DVD Promotional Group cancelled their CES party and presser for Sunday.

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9840891-7.html
post #34 of 178
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Originally posted by Daekwan
I still believe 5 years from now.. As broadband capability and speeds are increased.. while the price is decreased.. that HD movie downloads (to include PPV) over cable, satellite, console, etc will be the most popular way to watch HD movies in the living room. Not either form of HD disc.

Yeah thats probably what Microsoft wants.

Personally that won't work for me, I have DSL and I just don't see the speed increasing anytime in the forseen future. Heck, my brother is a mere 4 miles from a DSL server and Frontier tells him that thats to far for an acceptable connection.
post #35 of 178
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Originally posted by Daekwan
I think alot of you guys mistake BR as the second coming of DVD and it simply not that simple.

No, not really, were just excited that the video source will no longer be the weak link in our home theaters.
post #36 of 178
This is huge news and a relief, I'm glad I'm with the winner camp.
post #37 of 178
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Originally Posted by Column View Post

I think eventually someone has to win, its to hard for stores at the moment to have both formats. Just takes up to much aisle space when the titles start growing.

Nail in the coffin I imagine is when the rental places decide they only want to support one of the formats.

Pretty much if Netflix and Blockbuster decide they will only rent out one of the formats the war is considered over.

Blockbuster is a non-factor. Just when they announce Blu-ray only in their stores, they close half of them. Their online service was decent until they started f'n with the levels of service. The second they said I could only do 3 in-store exchanges a month for at the $20/month level, I cancelled.

Netflix is in bed with MS and are going the route of streaming/download service so I'm thinking going blu-ray only is not happening until the very VERY end of the war.

I've had both Netflix and Blockbuster and although their BD selection is great, the availability sucks. Hopefully when HDDVD is dead this year (yes, 2008), Netflix will crank up their BD inventory and lure me back.

Apple going Blu-Ray and Warner dropping HDDVD are much bigger factors than "Lackluster's" format decision.
post #38 of 178
I've been thinking we'll see an acceleration in PS3 sales of at least around 50%.

2008 is definitely going to be the year of the Playstation 3
post #39 of 178
Um... what format war?
post #40 of 178
The hidefinition movie format war, between Blu-ray and HD DVD.

Unless you mean that as a rhetorical question, which is a fair enough view from anywhere else but North America.
post #41 of 178
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Originally Posted by zBuff View Post

I've been thinking we'll see an acceleration in PS3 sales of at least around 50%.

2008 is definitely going to be the year of the Playstation 3

That really just depends on the games. Don't get me wrong, the Warner decision does change the format war; however, that's not what is selling the majority of PS3s. Plenty of people buy the PS3 for it's blue ray player, but the level of tech knowledge of the average consumer is far below that of the average AVS user. We know that the PS3 is a great deal for a game system and a BR player... but the majority of PS3 owners don't even know that the PS3 can play BR discs (many don't know that it plays DVDs).

Point being: at $400 and $500 the "average" consumer isn't even going to be buying a HD media player. BR still has to compete with DVD... and that will be the biggest fight. Everyone and their brother talks about how BR media was outselling HD DVD media 2:1... what they forgot to mention is that DVD is/was still kicking the crap out of both of them. Why? The average consumer doesn't want to (or can't) spend the money on a $400+ player. Furthermore, the amount of people that own a HD-TV and thus could take advantage of HD media is still pretty small compared to those who are limited to SD sets.

My personal prediction: the install base of people with HD-TVs will catch up just in time to pass BR and HD-DVD by (no matter which one ends up winning). This will lead to download/on demand content being the true successful successor to DVD. Now, don't get me wrong, I love high quality transfers and all the associated stuff available on BR/HD-DVD (and I want to see a "hard" copy always available). However, I do not "buy" every movie that I watch. I would pay a premium for an "on demand" rental service with a good catalogue that gave me HD-TV quality movies.
post #42 of 178
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Originally Posted by confidenceman View Post

I agree. The under-acknowledged major competitor here is downloadable/streaming movies.

In 10 years, maybe.

If Blu-ray is a long shot, downloadable/streaming movies are an extremely long shot.

Heck, it's hard enough to get an online game without lag, now try to stream movies.
post #43 of 178
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Originally Posted by wuzup101 View Post

Point being: at $400 and $500 the "average" consumer isn't even going to be buying a HD media player. BR still has to compete with DVD... and that will be the biggest fight. Everyone and their brother talks about how BR media was outselling HD DVD media 2:1... what they forgot to mention is that DVD is/was still kicking the crap out of both of them. Why? The average consumer doesn't want to (or can't) spend the money on a $400+ player. Furthermore, the amount of people that own a HD-TV and thus could take advantage of HD media is still pretty small compared to those who are limited to SD sets.

Except you can't buy DVDs unless DVDs are manufactured. Some people wanted to keep buying LDs. Others wanted to keep buying VHS. When they found their favorite shelves empty, they all moved along with the rest.
post #44 of 178
Woo! What did I miss? ^_^
post #45 of 178
HD DVD was doomed from the start, and I couldnt help but feel bad for all those people wasting time and money on a format that just wasnt going to fly. Im very happy I made an informed decision to go all blu.
post #46 of 178
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Originally Posted by macd23 View Post


Apparently most of the major movie studios disagree with you mrigsby....When the largest home movie studio in the world speaks you ought to listen.

Its over.


If I'm not mistaken, isn't that Universal? As for HD DVD, it will be around a long time. If the rumors about what HD DVD paid Paramount, it'll be around as long as that contract is there.


As for those who invested in Blu Ray, I'd be surprised if many on this board have put as much money in that format as I have (I'm sure there are a number who have, but I'm well above the average).
post #47 of 178
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Originally Posted by blklacker View Post

HD DVD was doomed from the start, and I couldnt help but feel bad for all those people wasting time and money on a format that just wasnt going to fly. Im very happy I made an informed decision to go all blu.

You're right, I've wasted my time watching Batman Begins and the Matrix, not to mention Transformers, Bournes, and a few others.



And for those who say It's only a matter of time for Matrix and Batman, well I don't see release dates yet.


I could care less who wins, I have both. I love both and love watching movies.......
post #48 of 178
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Originally Posted by bkchurch View Post

I agree that physical media ain't goin anywhere because people like to own movies. That being said considering the 40% of HDTV owners don't even have any HD programming or movie players do you really think the average consumer gives a crap that On Demand Services don't offer uncompressed 1080p broadcasts with 7.1 lossless sound? Remember this is AVS, we're a lot different from the rest of the market.

I agree that Joe Schmoe isn't going to know that what they are watching isn't in an uncompressed format, but they can certainly see a difference, which would be my point. Even my wife, who couldn't care less about details as long as we're watching a movie, can tell the difference between the crappy signal you get from an OnDemand rental and physically going to the store. She refuses to buy from the OnDemand service now unless she's watching it on the crummy tv.

I'd also like to know where you're pulling the 40% factoid on HDTV owners not having HD Programming or capable players. Even an upscaled DVD run through the PS3 looks very, very good (still well beyond what the "HD" signal from the OnDemand service looks like).
post #49 of 178
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Originally Posted by instantpop View Post

I agree that Joe Schmoe isn't going to know that what they are watching isn't in an uncompressed format, but they can certainly see a difference, which would be my point. Even my wife, who couldn't care less about details as long as we're watching a movie, can tell the difference between the crappy signal you get from an OnDemand rental and physically going to the store. She refuses to buy from the OnDemand service now unless she's watching it on the crummy tv.

I'd also like to know where you're pulling the 40% factoid on HDTV owners not having HD Programming or capable players. Even an upscaled DVD run through the PS3 looks very, very good (still well beyond what the "HD" signal from the OnDemand service looks like).

There was some survey done a while back. Can't remember but it was posted on the front page of AVS, it's something that's discussed here pretty often. A lot of people with HDTVs don't have a clue they need HD programming to get HD. Anyway I see what you're getting at.

I was thinking though, how many people do you think get their PS3s home, hook it up to their SDTV, and then give this whole Blu-Ray deal a shot only to see no difference and scoff at this as a big waste of money?
post #50 of 178
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Originally Posted by bkchurch View Post

I was thinking though, how many people do you think get their PS3s home, hook it up to their SDTV, and then give this whole Blu-Ray deal a shot only to see no difference and scoff at this as a big waste of money?

LOL... my wife falls into that category (sort of). She took the kid with her to the store and they were looking at movies and the kid found one of the latest Santa Claus movies on BD and my wife found the same movie on DVD. Athough the kid pleaded with her that she needed the blue ray telling her it was high definition the wife uses her reasoning that the regular DVD was $10 cheaper. The following week she brings home an HDDVD thinking it and blue ray were the same... DOH! It wouldn't be so bad if we didn't already have about thirty blue ray movies already.

Anyway, she finally came home with the correct format (Oceans 13); the kid and I were proud.
post #51 of 178
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Originally Posted by tgable View Post

Just read the Warner thread in the HD section, I saw a lot of people saying they were selling their 360 add-on and buying a 40GB PS3. This might be a big boost in 2008 if BD becomes the defacto standard for HD.

For MS to do that...blu ray addon...talk about eating crow...

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Originally Posted by Dralt View Post

Except you can't buy DVDs unless DVDs are manufactured. Some people wanted to keep buying LDs. Others wanted to keep buying VHS. When they found their favorite shelves empty, they all moved along with the rest.

Thats the bottom line there...

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Originally Posted by mrigsby View Post



And for those who say It's only a matter of time for Matrix and Batman, well I don't see release dates yet.


Again, its just a matter of time...
post #52 of 178
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Originally Posted by zBuff View Post

The hidefinition movie format war, between Blu-ray and HD DVD.

Unless you mean that as a rhetorical question, which is a fair enough view from anywhere else but North America.

Even in North America... HD sales are so few compared to regular DVDs (meaning people are still buying the SD counterpart by a much larger scale) that Bluray or HDDVD is not really keeping either companies running. Its such a small portion, and It's really not selling consoles besides the fact that someone might like a HD player in their console (but I don't know how many people think that way... I didn't at first so I got a 360).

Its not a war... now... but It probably will be.
post #53 of 178
This may help PS3 sales until there is a price reduction in players (sub-$200). Sony then may decided to drop the price of the PS3 so it can be sold as a blu player and they will stop losing money on the systems. Incidentally prices will then start to drop on all sides of the console war and it becomes great for the consumer. Ah the ball continues to roll. I was an early HD-DVD adopter and will commit to blu if(read: when) it comes to that, just can't justify (read: can't convince the wife) spending 400+ on a player right now.
post #54 of 178
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Originally Posted by XMotoX View Post

Even in North America... HD sales are so few compared to regular DVDs (meaning people are still buying the SD counterpart by a much larger scale) that Bluray or HDDVD is not really keeping either companies running. Its such a small portion, and It's really not selling consoles besides the fact that someone might like a HD player in their console (but I don't know how many people think that way... I didn't at first so I got a 360).

Its not a war... now... but It probably will be.

It's funny--everyone keeps saying that HD disc sales are insignificant.

If WB and Fox were each paid $500 million to go Blu, it obviously isn't insignificant to the parties involved.
post #55 of 178
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Originally Posted by bassmonkeee View Post

It's funny--everyone keeps saying that HD disc sales are insignificant.

If WB and Fox were each paid $500 million to go Blu, it obviously isn't insignificant to the parties involved.

Sales are insignificant. If you compare it to DVD or even HD On Demand its an insignificant amount today. It will be an insignificant amount more than likely into 2011, but not forever, eventually the billions that are made on DVD will be more billions made on HD media. (Its going to be a LONG time before BR hits DVD pricing) But the BRG needs to close out HD DVD and the HD DVD group needs to close out BR. Warner decided for whatever reason to make BR the winner. It really was out of Sony and Toshiba's hands.

There is no way to see this as bad for the PS3, but its arguably not good YET. There may be a tiny amount of consumers waiitng on BR to see how the format war shook out but its price (Disks and players) keeping the majority of HDTV owners away. Its really tough to go from $50 players and $15 movies to a $400 player and $25 ish movies (New go from $20 to $38).

But Sony now has time, but not all the time in the world. While they can wait and bring the PS3 down as well as stand alone players without having to worry about HD DVD, they do need to worry about HD On Demand still. Cable is in 60% of homes today an astonomical lead over both HD Disks combined and most of those homes can get HD On demand even if they have no internet. And the Netflix on demand is coming, Live HD on demand is here, Apple HD on demand will be coming, heck even Sony's HD on demand s coming!

People love CHEAP disks thats true, but thats DVD no BR and HD On Demand is growing not shrinking.
post #56 of 178
Like most I see this as good for PS3 sales. With NA requireing digital TV in 2009 I bet a large flood of HD TV sales in the next year so maybe the high def market should grow with it. With that said then this year maybe the normal consumer not being so confused should overall help the move to high def and Blu-ray. The PS3 should capture allot of sales. Couple that with the normal progression of the matureing game console the PS3 could have a great year.
post #57 of 178
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Originally Posted by Rock Daddy View Post

Like most I see this as good for PS3 sales. With NA requireing digital TV in 2009 I bet a large flood of HD TV sales in the next year so maybe the high def market should grow with it. With that said then this year maybe the normal consumer not being so confused should overall help the move to high def and Blu-ray. The PS3 should capture allot of sales. Couple that with the normal progression of the matureing game console the PS3 could have a great year.

I work for Qwest, Im just a regular sales rep, however that means that I talk to 1200 people a month about HD content and video options. The Feb. 09 date is going to have a HUGE impact on HD sales. I've talked to over 100 people in the last month or so that are convinced that the Feb 09 change is making them buy a HD set with HD programming. "I'll need to get a new HD tv by next year because everything is going to be HD anyway." I hear that a few times a day. J6P is adopting much faster than what we "elites" give them credit for. Just walk into BB or CC or the like. How many NON-HD TVs do you see? None? Its not like the TVs they have arent being sold. We're in a state of exponential growth for the HD market for the next 3 years I'd say. Did anyone watch the Rose Bowl Parade? How many times did the push HD BROADCAST!!?!?!!111 I lost count after 35 times or so. About every 4 minutes Al Roker or that other chick were saying something about how HD makes it so you can see EVERY detail in the floats. At one point the chick even said "I wonder how many more times we can mention High Definition" Every commercial break was "We'll be right back to the parade of roses brought to you in high definition."

Its only a matter of time before Sony has to get the 360 a Bluray drive.
post #58 of 178
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Originally Posted by Rock Daddy View Post

Like most I see this as good for PS3 sales. With NA requireing digital TV in 2009 I bet a large flood of HD TV sales in the next year so maybe the high def market should grow with it.

The digital switchover is only for broadcast TV. How many people still get their TV using an antenna?
post #59 of 178
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Originally Posted by Shape View Post

The digital switchover is only for broadcast TV. How many people still get their TV using an antenna?

Not many. If they dont watch TV they dont watch TV.
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The digital switchover is only for broadcast TV. How many people still get their TV using an antenna?

I really dont think that will matter. All everyone will hear is about the 2009 digital deadline and sales for HD ready devices will increase bigtime. I'm seeing commericals for it already.
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