Anyone else thinking of getting out? - Page 35  

LOL remember when somebody hack the some blu site a few weeks ago and all of the Blubois were incensed.

are you suggesting that blu and hd dvd players will play a unified disc? or that discs will contain both formats? or that both formats will produce all discs in the future? I am so confused?!

There's no thinking here... I'm getting out!!

Take a look...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/vbcla...?do=ad&id=1463

I have been a HD DVD supporter since mid 2006 and have purchased a HD-A1 and 3 HD-A2's. 2 of the HD-A2's were given away as presents because I felt like this format had a really good shot at winning the war when Paramount and Dreamworks defected to HD DVD. I really wanted HD DVD to become the accepted format.

Fast forward to 01/04/2008 and the Warner decision... There is absolutely NO way that HD DVD can recover with only 2 major studios (Paramount/Dreamworks and Universal) releasing movies as of this May. Weinstein only counts as a really minor studio and does not a big enough catalog of quality movies to help out.

With that said, I'm getting out of HD DVD for the following reasons:

1. I love movies. Movies in HD are even better. Since it's obvious that BD is going to win, I'm throwing my support to them and hope that by the end of this year, BD will have 100% studio support.

2. Only 2 major studios releasing movies on HD DVD. BD will have MUCH more content very soon.

3. No real CE support. Only Toshiba, Onkyo, and Venturer????

4. VERY tired of this aweful format war.

I know that some of you will not like what I had to say but there truly is nothing positive about HD DVD anymore. The only positives that I can come up with is that they helped drive the price down all around for HDM players, helped set the standard for video and audio quality, and gave me one hell of a great HDM ride!!! But, the ride is over with HD DVD so it's time to hitch a ride with Blu-ray.

No, no unified disks. Basically future player profiles would fully support either format. And blu should ditch java and embrace HDi along with the other features HD does so well. basically use HD technology on a blu disk. Enable playback of HD DVD as mandatory requirement for all future Blu players

IF the war had/does continued through this year I think the studios would have said screw it and produced both. Maybe with the exception of one or two hold outs.

so the laser wouldn't matter right? Theoretically a blu player could play hd dvd movies but a hd dvd player could not play blu movies?

Correct as far as i understand it. Same laser, same frequency used.

This will never happen, HD DVD playback will not make it into a Blu-ray spec. That would basically give studios the option of abandoning blu-ray discs and publishing on HD-DVD when enough of the new spec'd BD players are out. That's the opposite of what the BDA would want.

Don't get me wrong, I would love that but if that happens, it'll come from Toshiba pushing CEMs to make dual format players and not from BDA specing HD-DVD support.


true but the problem is the location of the data layer. Blu-ray puts the data layer closer to the surface so it can maximize on bit density. HD-DVD put the data layer at the same spot as DVD so only one laser is required. Blu-ray requires a second laser for legacy DVD support. The Blu-ray laser can't 'see' the DVD data layer, it's out of focus.

Well only one can hope that Toshiba and M$ may have the magic bullet to save th day. I for one will be staying with HD DVD and supporting as long as possible.

I am hanging on till the bitter end!!!!

i love my hd dvds! I bit the bullet and bought a ps3 today LOL
I never thought I would but it was the last one sitting at sams club and picked up 8 blu ray movies! i luv me some blu ray..... rofl I thought I was never going blu

I get your point.
however you are making it a little more complicated then it needs to be. If they are making peace then it won't matter if they support HD DVD play back, cause HD DVD basically won't be. however supporting the 1 million consumers that have hd now would be a smart choice.. And encourage them to stay in HDM. It would make it easier to swallow and be a very smoothing unifying gesture, not to mention solving all of the problems plaguing blu except for production yields in one swoop. Hell they could even use the name HD DVD if peace were made. (personally I'd drop the name blu and present a unified front as HDM. easy to remember and self explanatory)

Also taking the HD features (HDi, etc) and porting them over to Blu, dropping the problem plagued java would give blu today all of the features HD has and eliminate years of costly R&D. Add an Ethernet port and Bam a finished format. Remember CEs are having a lot of trouble getting Profile 2.0 to work and some difficulties with profiles 1.1 as well. (not to mention studio problems proof testing these profiles)


it would also enable smaller studio to support the blu name if they could use HDi and perhaps even HD manufacturing. The main stream would still use BD50, however a smaller independent studios could use HD30 and it all could be played and the royalties would still be paid.
As you said SOny wouldn't want to subvert their BD, however if a truce is signed and we all become one big happy family then it wouldn't matter as much. might even be a fail safe if the BD production has a major problem, it could even be used to subvert dvd the way HD would have done, but all under the umbrella of BLU/HDM

I see where you balk, in theory Blu could become more HD using hd manufacturing. this would probably make warner happy, who still had concerns over production yield and mass adoption. If they (all of Hollywood) are serious about HDm then this would work.
keep in mind 98% of all production would still be bd50 under this pipe dream, unless of course there is a major production difficulty or a patent suit that stop or limits BD production. In which case existing HD/DVD technology would save HDM



I don't think this is true any more, I believe it was when they first came out. Its been covered over and over here, if a company is manufacturing a bluray player today it is relatively simple to include HD DVD playback (inother words it can be done relatively cheaply). The same does not go for HD.

If blu has not fixed these issues and still uses two lasers then it has got more problems than I thought and still may fall on its face.

Here's what I plan on doing. I hated that Warner made the descision they did, and I think in the long run they may admit they made a mistake. But any way. I first had to ask myself IF I was a HDDVD supporter or a HDM supporter, and I realized I have to say I am a HDM supporter first.
So I started looking around for a stand alone player for BLU. I won't buy a PS3 for my equipment. That's like hanging fuzzy dice in a Testarossa. Just give me a straight up top notch BLU player. So I had to start searching for what I wanted. I looked at Sammy, Panny, Poineer, etc. Then I went to the Blu side of this forum, and did a search on each of the players to see what is being said about them. Oh Boy.... not good. The one that had the least amount of troubles was nearly $600, and it is currently only 1.1 . So how do I justify spending 6 bills on something that is guaranteed to be defunked soon. And if 6 bills gets me 1.1 how much is 2.0 gonna be when it comes out.

I have come to the conclusion, that at this time, unless the BDA gets their Shift together, BDA will become it's own worst enemy. That's why I say Warner may soon enough realize it may have made a bad choice.

I really hope this isn't the case, if Blu is the Future, then get it done. I don't mind going Blu for HDM sake, but how can anyone that's a true HDM supporter and NOT a gamer feel confident spending that amount on a player right now with the all the issues. So it's gonna come down 1 of 2 ways. Blu will get it sorted out shortly, and everything will be fine in the world again, or BDA will become it's own worst enemy and implode.

So at this time, Neither side gives me any confidence at all.... and damn, how can you leave your customers with no confidence when you have the majority of studios backing you.....

Why?

If it makes you feel better, you can throw away the included controller and just get the remote or IR adapter, so you can never play games on it.

It autoplays movies when you insert a disc.

Maybe he doesn't like the way it looks. I know I don't.

Man I would think thats way to high but good luck I have a XA2 and A2 and 32 movies if I were to get out would only ask a couple bills more.Just can't see letting go of such a fine machine.

Couple of reasons, first for the same reason I have an amp AND a cd player. I want components. I have a stand alone amp, a stand alone CD JUKEbox, and a stand alone HDDVD player. I have a rack system and I want rack components. I don't want it to be part of a gaming system. Plus the gaming systems are starting to push downloadable HDM and I am completely against that. Stand alone units are not supporting downloadable movies by the sheer nature of their purpose. I want a disc (or other type media) that I own, and can watch whenever I want as many times as I want. (I hope that makes sense).

2nd, I already have a xbox 360 for gaming at this time. I think Now is the wrong time to purchase another gaiming system. The main reason is, Sony took so long to introduce the PS3, I think microsoft is going to announce their next gaming system soon, the xbox 720 or what ever it is going to be, and if Blu does win, I imagine it will support BDM anyway. Plus it will most likely support the games I already own.

I suppose I could come up with several other reasons too... like, a stand alone unit won't require a IR "adaptor" etc, etc.....

I feel the same way, I want a STANDALONE not a GAME CONSOLE!!! I want something that is rackmountable and to me the PS3 is an eyesore. I don't game so there goes that bang-for-the buck argument that you're not only getting a BD player, you get a game console too. Thus i'm going the HTPC route for BD playback but alas, I also hate using PowerDVD! Man, can't win at all!

If you don't have any games or controllers, it wouldn't be a gaming system.


False. You stick the disc in the slot and the movie starts playing. Where does downloading HDM come into the picture?


That's great. But since you only use a PS3 to play movies, it's not a gaming system.


A $10 IR adaptor really breaks the bank.

I have both formats with about 20 movies for each, a PS3 and a HD A2. I could care less who wins. For some reason I bought a 4 year extended warranty on the A2 from Best Buy... wonder what happens if it dies in year 4 and there are no more players to replace it with. Maybe an in store credit

The writing is on the wall, Sony did it. I honestly didn't think they would because of their past screw ups & format wars. I will keep everything until the unit dies, then it will be ebay time. Going forward I'm only buying blu ray.

It's not the end of the world people. For those that say they will stick to SD DVD's instead of going to blu ray are sounding very silly. I wonder if they still think vinyl sounds better than cd's? How is the old black & white tv holding up?

The comments of Warner being paid big bucks by whoever to switch is just business, nothing more. It happens all the time the time in the real world. The HD guys could have done the same thing.

I really don't mean to offend anybody - but in the overall scheme of things it's not that big a deal.

This thread has jumped the shark.
Its starting to become the look and sound of bullsh**

i do...

+1

Ummmm...weren't a BUNCH of new players JUST announced at CES. Unlike HDDVD, there are actually multiple BD manufacturers. If you don't like the PS3 the a MANY standalone options.

I'm not here to argue with you, but when you bought your 60" Plasma screen, did you buy it with the built in DVD player too?? No.... So what if I never use the DVD player it's still a TV. The perception is that when multiplayers are made, they use lesser quality components to keep the price down below the cost of the individual stand alone units. And if the PS3 is sooo good, why do the rest of Sony's standalone players suck soo bad. The sheer fact that their brand stand alone players are so sub par, is enough to make me hesitant of the PS3 in and of itself. Also, I am not aware if the 3 is 2.0, is it??

And as far as downloadable HDM.... I think your wrong... gaming consoles are the strongest media pressing that direction. That's true for both X and PS. But lets not let this topic digress this one from the OP.

Like I say, I can come up with several other reasons why I want a sand alone player, a couple were also mentioned by other posters.

But first and formost, regardless, I would like to see that BDA is not going to become it's own worst enemy.

I wonder about that. Sony might as well strip the guts off the PS3 and put them in a Sony branded chassis for $399.

Philips announced a $350 profile 1.1 BD player for April. Hopefully it will available as planned and without many issues.

Like I said in my post, just go on the BLU side of this forum, and read the comments about each of the players. Also are any of them 2.0 compliant yet? I don't mind spending money on a Blu unit at all, but I want it to be a solid, dependable, upgradeable, unit that won't be virtually obsolete as soon as I purchase it.

Then you will need to wait till at least the summer time to hopefully get a finished product.I personally love my Panasonic BD 10 wish it was 2.0 but new it going in.

That's kinda what I figured. So much can happen in a few months anyway. Seems like being patient at this time and at least waiting for 2.0 can have several benefits.

You can argue until you're Blu in the face, but it doesn't change the fact that the PS3 is an excellent source, and is only a source if you choose.

Insert movie, PS3 plays movie, outputs video/audio, and that's it.

It doesn't start up a game, or push downloaded content, ever.

It's profile 1.1, and will be firmware updated to 2.0 when content is available.

How can it be the best player on the market and a console for only $399? Sony takes a big loss on each PS3 sold.

But the bottom line is that it's faster, quieter, has more capacity, and more power, than any HDM player on the market (including HD-DVD players).

I know the PS3 is the best Blu Ray Player out there but that thing is just God Damn Ugly, it really looks like a George Forman grille. It belongs in a kitchen and not a living room. Anyway, would you buy/drive a BMW, Mercedes, or Audi if it looked exactly like a Kia (or a Chinese car, you get the idea)?

Well, the 60GB PS3 I bought last Dec. 24th from ebay (long before Warner crashed HD-DVD's CES party) arrived today in the mail. I'm purple now, but HD-DVD and red will remain the color/HDM format closest to my heart. HD-DVD and Blu-ray (via their videogame counterparts) will live in harmony on my rack.