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post #6751 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

The chart was part of a presentation by Netflix themselves. People were saying the same about CD's in the 90's, many predicted there would be no CD's by 2010. I suggest you look around the next time you are in Target, Best Buy, Walmart, Fye's, etc., etc. You may be surprised at all the racks of CD's for sale in 2011. Myself, I am not sure how they (CD) manage to hang-on so well without a replacement of all the great pop/rock bands of the 60's and 70's. I know my collection saturated many years ago. I still buy several CD's a year in the New Age, Light Jazz, Classical category.

You're right. As a test, I went to my local Best Buy and I had to actually look around for the rack of CDs. I was surprised. It took me a while, but I finally found it at the back of the store. The lighting wasn't as good over there and I saw some creepy shadows and cobwebs, but sure enough there was a rack of CDs. I don't even think that portion of the store had a roof overhead. Couldn't get a Best Buy blueshirt to tell me when was the last time they sold one of those thingies, though.
post #6752 of 8769
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

i laugh at whoever made that chart - there will be no discs after 2020, let alone discs by mail.

It was likely made by someone with much more industry insight than yourself, not that that would be a hard qualification to satisfy.
post #6753 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Osirus23 View Post

It was likely made by someone with much more industry insight than yourself, not that that would be a hard qualification to satisfy.

you're so clever.
post #6754 of 8769
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Originally Posted by tighr View Post

The lighting wasn't as good over there and I saw some creepy shadows and cobwebs, but sure enough there was a rack of CDs. I don't even think that portion of the store had a roof overhead. Couldn't get a Best Buy blueshirt to tell me when was the last time they sold one of those thingies, though.

Well, maybe you should try to avoid the ghetto area stores. The stores I have been in had large racks of CD's that were well lighted. I can make some pictures and post if you like.
post #6755 of 8769
What do racks of CDs at Best Buy or some other B&M have to do with renting BDs at NF? Or even Blockbuster...

larry
post #6756 of 8769
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

What do racks of CDs at Best Buy or some other B&M have to do with renting BDs at NF? Or even Blockbuster...

larry

I don't know... , but maybe we'd like to start a chat about LPs now?
post #6757 of 8769
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

The beauty of electronics has always been how much better the technology becomes in such a short time so maybe we will have have streamed 1080p, or better, video and lossless HD audio long before 10 years pass. I hope so, anyway.

And no more OAR, if the VOD and many streaming offerings are any indication. They are all cropped. Even a new BD disc (STAG NIGHT from Ghost House) was cropped from 2.35 to 16X9. Shame on you, Raimi. The home theater future looks bleak.
post #6758 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Joel Clemons View Post

They are all cropped.

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Actually a big exaggeration.
post #6759 of 8769
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

What do racks of CDs at Best Buy or some other B&M have to do with renting BDs at NF? Or even Blockbuster...

larry

Exactly nothing
post #6760 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Marc_G View Post

But, the streams suck and are not a substitute for bd even if they were captured...

Yes, that is true now for Netflix. The audio and video quality of Vudu's HDX streams are pretty good. Netflix will get there too, I would imagine. I prefer BD by a mile and hope rental will be around for a long time.
post #6761 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mproper View Post

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Actually a big exaggeration.

No, he's right...far from an exaggeration. Every VOD movie I've seen from KNIGHT AND DAY Extended, A-TEAM Extended, FROZEN, DATE NIGHT Extended, and LET ME IN were ALL cropped. (I no longer order VOD)

As for streaming, I just clicked on a few via Netflix for the heck of it...THE CRAZIES, cropped. PRINCE OF PERSIA, cropped. More of an exaggeration to find a movie that ISN'T cropped! These streaming and VOD "options" certainly do suck for movie fans. The general public, of course, couldn't care less.
post #6762 of 8769
are the ones you clicked on Starz play? Because I don't even count that. That's not Netflix quality control, that's Starz making a buck.
post #6763 of 8769
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

are the ones you clicked on Starz play? Because I don't even count that. That's not Netflix quality control, that's Starz making a buck.

How is that making a buck? I (and others, from some I've spoken to and other's I've read) have dropped Starz and/or HBO for just this reason. Showing a movie in OAR won't lose subscribers...in fact, they might gain some. (It works for Showtime, which is gaining subscribers while HBO is losing them).
post #6764 of 8769
i'm saying starz is crap, and Netflix is just paying for access to some stuff that Starz puts up. It's not Netflix encoding them.
post #6765 of 8769
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

i'm saying starz is crap, and Netflix is just paying for access to some stuff that Starz puts up. It's not Netflix encoding them.

Probably true (and its why Starz IS crap) ...but that doesn't cover the VOD movies. Be able to see a movie as it was intended to be seen (outside of a theater, of course) is becoming more and more difficult. In a few years, it may be almost impossible. However, I suppose they will be terrific for those 2-inch SmartPhone screens.

By the way, Warners has just reported that the 28-day delay is a financial success. Retail sales are up 15%. They will soon be charging around $25 for OnDemand showings of films (probably cropped) only a few weeks after theatrical run.
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Originally Posted by film113 View Post

No, he's right...far from an exaggeration. Every VOD movie I've seen from KNIGHT AND DAY Extended, A-TEAM Extended, FROZEN, DATE NIGHT Extended, and LET ME IN were ALL cropped. (I no longer order VOD)

As for streaming, I just clicked on a few via Netflix for the heck of it...THE CRAZIES, cropped. PRINCE OF PERSIA, cropped. More of an exaggeration to find a movie that ISN'T cropped! These streaming and VOD "options" certainly do suck for movie fans. The general public, of course, couldn't care less.

Nice of you to pick 2 Starz Play titles (known to be cropped, but not even all of those are cropped) and whatever crappy VOD service you use (probably your cable provider) and dismiss Netflix's entire catalog and every other legitimate service (Vudu, Zune, iTunes, Amazon)

while it's true OAR is a problem with some material, I am finding it is not the norm.
post #6767 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Joel Clemons View Post

By the way, Warners has just reported that the 28-day delay is a financial success. Retail sales are up 15%. They will soon be charging around $25 for OnDemand showings of films (probably cropped) only a few weeks after theatrical run.

This just goes to show that P.T. Barnum was right.
post #6768 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Joel Clemons View Post

By the way, Warners has just reported that the 28-day delay is a financial success. Retail sales are up 15%. They will soon be charging around $25 for OnDemand showings of films (probably cropped) only a few weeks after theatrical run.

I'd like to know how Warner can claim the 28 day window contributed to a sales bump .. and what period of time the sales bump took place ..
post #6769 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I'd like to know how Warner can claim the 28 day window contributed to a sales bump .. and what period of time the sales bump took place ..

My guess?

The bump occurred during the holiday season.
post #6770 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mproper View Post

Nice of you to pick 2 Starz Play titles (known to be cropped, but not even all of those are cropped) and whatever crappy VOD service you use (probably your cable provider) and dismiss Netflix's entire catalog and every other legitimate service (Vudu, Zune, iTunes, Amazon)

while it's true OAR is a problem with some material, I am finding it is not the norm.

It's quite the opposite.
Cropping is the norm/majority on VOD and OAR is the exception on Netflix.

But hey, what do you expect for $7.99 a month.
post #6771 of 8769
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

It's quite the opposite.
Cropping is the norm/majority on VOD and OAR is the exception on Netflix.

But hey, what do you expect for $7.99 a month.

I beg to differ. I don't think I've come across more than 5-10 non-OAR movies on Netflix (other than a couple 4:3 crops that were the only source out there of odd material). I always check the DVD spec before watching to make sure I'm getting the correct aspect, otherwise I won't watch it. And I have about 700 movies in my history.
post #6772 of 8769
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

I beg to differ. I don't think I've come across more than 5-10 non-OAR movies on Netflix (other than a couple 4:3 crops that were the only source out there of odd material). I always check the DVD spec before watching to make sure I'm getting the correct aspect, otherwise I won't watch it. And I have about 700 movies in my history.

I'll second that .. other than material that was actually 4:3 when made, my experience has been about the same .. and we use NF a lot ..
post #6773 of 8769
wow you guys went completely off topic... streaming has nothing to do with blu-ray rentals.
post #6774 of 8769
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

My guess?

The bump occurred during the holiday season.

Exactly what I thought .. I just don't see how any studio can accurately state that the 28 day window is causing more sales of physical content ..

That means folks are now out actively snapping up copies of "Cats and Dogs: The Revenge of Kitty Galore" .. ??

Warner had a good list of strong films in 2010, including "Book of Eli", "Inception", "The Town", and several more .. my guess is the content was pretty strong, thus sales went up .. if they had had a crap year on content, sales would have gone down ..
post #6775 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Goatse View Post

wow you guys went completely off topic... streaming has nothing to do with blu-ray rentals.

we were discussing the possibility of BD being replaced with streaming in the future, which is a real possibility and affects our love of BDs.

At least we weren't talking about stealing.
post #6776 of 8769
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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

What do racks of CDs at Best Buy or some other B&M have to do with renting BDs at NF? Or even Blockbuster...

About the same as all the streaming talk in a BD forum
post #6777 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mproper View Post

Nice of you to pick 2 Starz Play titles (known to be cropped, but not even all of those are cropped) and whatever crappy VOD service you use (probably your cable provider) and dismiss Netflix's entire catalog and every other legitimate service (Vudu, Zune, iTunes, Amazon)

while it's true OAR is a problem with some material, I am finding it is not the norm.

I just picked some movies at random...didn't notice that they were from Starz. And my provider is FIOS...but they do not control content. Also, as far as I know, Amazon is not streaming HD (although they are admittedly OAR in SD). Most of us aren't going to spend more money on Zune, Vudu, etc. So BD disc is the sole option (along with Showtime) for HD OAR for most people. And if that BD doesn't load or is problematic (or disappears in years ahead), then OAR in HD will be hard to find.
post #6778 of 8769
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Originally Posted by b_scott View Post

we were discussing the possibility of BD being replaced with streaming in the future, which is a real possibility and affects our love of BDs.

At least we weren't talking about stealing.

Nice one ..
post #6779 of 8769
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Originally Posted by film113 View Post

I just picked some movies at random...didn't notice that they were from Starz. And my provider is FIOS...but they do not control content. Also, as far as I know, Amazon is not streaming HD (although they are admittedly OAR in SD). Most of us aren't going to spend more money on Zune, Vudu, etc. So BD disc is the sole option (along with Showtime) for HD OAR for most people. And if that BD doesn't load or is problematic (or disappears in years ahead), then OAR in HD will be hard to find.

but I really don't agree with that. Think of how long it took for people to realize that Pan and Scan sucked and that the black bars were supposed to be there? The general public is a lot more knowledgeable now then they were before DVD came out. They're not going to just flip back, especially now with widescreen TVs making the bars even less noticeable, but still normal.
post #6780 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

About the same as all the streaming talk in a BD forum

I think it's relevant .. BD rental / HD Streaming Rental .. there is a direct relationship and it's interesting to hear the speculation on what the future may or may not hold ..
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