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post #7471 of 8769
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Originally Posted by eddster25 View Post

If and that's a big IF they place a greater focus on Blu ray, I'm pretty sure I'm gonna dump BB and go to Qwikster.

I dropped Netflix in January solely because of its policy of turning its back on a bunch of BDs, including nearly every Criterion Collection release. Although Dish has done a good job with Blockbuster since it took over the operation, BB's turnaround times are still inferior to what I was used to when I was a NF subscriber. Thus, if Quickster would start buying as many BDs as BB does I would go back to them. As you noted, though, that's a big "if."
post #7472 of 8769
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I dropped Netflix in January solely because of its policy of turning its back on a bunch of BDs, including nearly every Criterion Collection release. Although Dish has done a good job with Blockbuster since it took over the operation, BB's turnaround times are still inferior to what I was used to when I was a NF subscriber. Thus, if Quickster would start buying as many BDs as BB does I would go back to them. As you noted, though, that's a big "if."

It really depends on whether you have a nearby store for the occasional exchange or not. I have one right up the street. So, while it takes an extra day to receive a disc vs. what I would get via Netflix, I do have the option of taking a disc in to the store if I know I'm going to want one sooner.

I am luckier than others in that I usually get discs from BB before the expected arrival date. So, my service is closer to what I was getting with Netflix:

Netflix:
- Day 1: Receive and watch disc
- Day 2: Return Disc
- Day 3: New disc is shipped
- Day 4: Rinse and repeat

Blockbuster:
- Day 1: Receive and watch disc
- Day 2: Return Disc
- Day 3: New disc is shipped
- Day 4: Disc is in transit
- Day 5: Rinse and repeat

I do find it odd it takes longer for them to send a disc than for them to receive one back from me. I have noticed a lot more discs from blockbuster come from further locations than with Netflix, though.
post #7473 of 8769
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

So, my service is closer to what I was getting with Netflix:

The Netflix turn around times were very short when I lived in the Jackson, MS metro area. There was a Netflix distribution center there. When I switched to Blockbuster the turn around times were longer because the distribution center was in Baton Rouge, LA. However, I had (have) a 3 At-A-Time plan that was cheaper than the Netflix 2 At-A-Time plan I had. The net effect was I watched more movies from Blockbuster.

We have relocated close to Hendersonville, NC and the Blockbuster distribution center is located in Charlotte, NC. Now my turn around times pretty much match those I had with Netflix.
post #7474 of 8769
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

It really depends on whether you have a nearby store for the occasional exchange or not. I have one right up the street. So, while it takes an extra day to receive a disc vs. what I would get via Netflix, I do have the option of taking a disc in to the store if I know I'm going to want one sooner.

I am luckier than others in that I usually get discs from BB before the expected arrival date. So, my service is closer to what I was getting with Netflix:

Netflix:
- Day 1: Receive and watch disc
- Day 2: Return Disc
- Day 3: New disc is shipped
- Day 4: Rinse and repeat

Blockbuster:
- Day 1: Receive and watch disc
- Day 2: Return Disc
- Day 3: New disc is shipped
- Day 4: Disc is in transit
- Day 5: Rinse and repeat

I do find it odd it takes longer for them to send a disc than for them to receive one back from me. I have noticed a lot more discs from blockbuster come from further locations than with Netflix, though.

That's a good analysis. I am luckier than most in that my neighborhood BB store is only three minutes away. As you point out, the ability to make in store exchanges is sometimes useful. It's the best way for me to get newly released BDs of recent films.

I think BB's slower turnaround times may be attributable to NF having more distribution centers. For example, BB only has one distribution center in Oklahoma and it's in Tulsa, not OKC (go figure). NF has a distribution center in OKC and I suspect they have one in Tulsa too. Anyway, as both of us have seen, NF's turnaround times are faster than BB's.
post #7475 of 8769
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

That's a good analysis. I am luckier than most in that my neighborhood BB store is only three minutes away. As you point out, the ability to make in store exchanges is sometimes useful. It's the best way for me to get newly released BDs of recent films.

If it weren't at a very busy and dangerous intersection to be a pedestrian at (lots of lanes and no walk lights), I could walk to mine since I can almost see it from my back porch. So, I have to burn a dead dinosaur to make my exchanges for the benefit of personal safety.

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I think BB's slower turnaround times may be attributable to NF having more distribution centers. For example, BB only has one distribution center in Oklahoma and it's in Tulsa, not OKC (go figure). NF has a distribution center in OKC and I suspect they have one in Tulsa too. Anyway, as both of us have seen, NF's turnaround times are faster than BB's.

At first glance, that makes sense. However, as I mentioned, my discs are back to them the following morning. If it took the extra day both ways, I'd believe that scenerio.

What the problem seems to be is lack of a large number of copies (or lack of certain titles) at most locations, so they ship from various places while the returns always go back to the closest one. So, if someone who lives near me rents a title after I return it, they'll likely get it the following day. Meanwhile, some guy in Texas where it may have come from to get to me gets screwed by having to wait 2 days to get it.

Of course, the other scenerio is that they don't actually ship the discs the same day they get them. Instead, they put them in mail crates, then take them to the post office at the end of the business day, which puts it past the time the post office will ship them out foir that day. As a result, they don't actually "ship" the same day.
post #7476 of 8769
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Netflix:
- Day 1: Receive and watch disc
- Day 2: Return Disc
- Day 3: New disc is shipped
- Day 4: Rinse and repeat

Yes, this! It is so clockwork, you can set your watch by it with only the occasional hiccup.

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Blockbuster:
- Day 1: Receive and watch disc
- Day 2: Return Disc
- Day 3: New disc is shipped
- Day 4: Disc is in transit
- Day 5: Rinse and repeat

I wish my BB service was like this, but for me this is the best case scenario and the experience has been more random with one or more days often inserted after Day 2 and/or Day 4. I appreciate my Blockbuster account, but if Qwikster expands the disc offering to cover missing titles that only BB has (or claims to maybe have), I would drop BB without hesitation.
post #7477 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Cinema Squid View Post

I wish my BB service was like this, but for me this is the best case scenario and the experience has been more random with one or more days often inserted after Day 2 and/or Day 4. I appreciate my Blockbuster account, but if Qwikster expands the disc offering to cover missing titles that only BB has (or claims to maybe have), I would drop BB without hesitation.

I did mention that I think I'm luckier than most in that regard. Blockbuster lists the expected arrival date of each disc as 3 days after the shipping date. So far, nearly every disc has arrived a day before that date.

So, in my case, the turnaround only seems to be one day extra for the majority of discs. I think I can deal with that.
post #7478 of 8769
SO when is Qwikster supposed to launch? I thought it was supposed to be at the beginning of OCtober.

At least Netflix shipped me my Pulp Fiction and Scream 4 BDs today.
post #7479 of 8769
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

SO when is Qwikster supposed to launch? I thought it was supposed to be at the beginning of OCtober.

At least Netflix shipped me my Pulp Fiction and Scream 4 BDs today.

yeah, I've got the Scream 4 BD on the way as well .. that's two weeks in row with a new release hitting my mailbox on Tuesday .. a record for me ..
post #7480 of 8769
Are the NetFlix BD disc rental the same exactly copy of a store bought BD disc?
post #7481 of 8769
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Are the NetFlix BD disc rental the same exactly copy of a store bought BD disc?

Some are but most are not. Most are rental copies loaded with a lot of previews you have to patiently fast forward through before you get to the movie.
post #7482 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Buckeye911 View Post

Some are but most are not. Most are rental copies loaded with a lot of previews you have to patiently fast forward through before you get to the movie.

Thanks, I mostly buy BD disc and still deciding if worth the upgrade.
post #7483 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Buckeye911 View Post

Some are but most are not. Most are rental copies loaded with a lot of previews you have to patiently fast forward through before you get to the movie.

The majority are the same as the store bought BD, a minority is a rental version. But then that is the same at Blockbuster and RedBox as well.

If I went just by my rental history over the Summer, only around 5% to 10% of my titles were special rental discs. The rest were the same as what is in the store.
post #7484 of 8769
Did anyone see whether our rental queues will be brought over to the new website? I would assume so but assuming can be a dangerous thing sometimes. I have a long list at present and have printed it out. I don't relish re-entering this data later.
post #7485 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Chazcdc54 View Post

Did anyone see whether our rental queues will be brought over to the new website? I would assume so but assuming can be a dangerous thing sometimes. I have a long list at present and have printed it out. I don't relish re-entering this data later.

although I don't pretend to know, I would sure think so .. it would really suck if they did not ..
post #7486 of 8769
What puzzles me is when something is released in dvd and blu-ray they many times will pick up only the dvd version (such as the series Justified and many other movie titles).

Wouldn't it make more sense if they are only going to get one format to get the blu-ray, so that those that have dvd only would be forced to pay the higher monthly charge for blu-ray access?
post #7487 of 8769
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Originally Posted by skoolpsyk View Post

What puzzles me is when something is released in dvd and blu-ray they many times will pick up only the dvd version (such as the series Justified and many other movie titles).

Wouldn't it make more sense if they are only going to get one format to get the blu-ray, so that those that have dvd only would be forced to pay the higher monthly charge for blu-ray access?

The bulk of the population at large is happy with DVD .. if they were to pick one format, DVD would be it .. let's hope not ..
post #7488 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

The bulk of the population at large is happy with DVD .. if they were to pick one format, DVD would be it .. let's hope not ..

Agreed. DVD is still the most popular format. Forcing BD on people will do nothing for them but cause the happy-with-dvd people to be unhappy-with-Netflix people. I suspect each title this happens to (such as Justified) goes through a cost-benefit analysis and it turned out not enough BD subscribers had Justified queued up to be worth getting the BD of. Which is a shame, but it does seem to be the exception rather than rule.

I suspect we're still a few years away from the death of DVD, similar to how it took years for VHS to disappear. Glancing through the sales thread, it's pretty obvious that BD has a way to go before supplanting DVD as the dominant format. But it'll happen eventually.
post #7489 of 8769
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

SO when is Qwikster supposed to launch? I thought it was supposed to be at the beginning of OCtober.

No official date yet. From the Hastings email from 9/19:
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We will let you know in a few weeks when the Qwikster.com website is up and ready.
post #7490 of 8769
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Originally Posted by CoreyM View Post

And yet they are routinely listed as one of the greatest video stores on earth. They have a huge memorabilia collection and one of the greatest collections of foreign and indie films assembled in a B&M video shop, and it is a place that should be awesome.

In the videotape days, it certainly was. No other rental store had the selection that Movie Madness had. The people who worked there knew about movies or knew which employee could answer anything. It's close to the trendy Hawthorne District which was just taking off at the time. The store was (and still is) organized to show how important every title is. While that made for frustration for the unenlightened, at least you knew the title you wanted was there, somewhere, even if you had to ask a condescending employee half your age where to find it. The lines were long because the employees were clearly in no rush to get anyone through the door.

The last time I got: "Marty? You can't find Marty? It won the Oscar for best picture in 1955 so why didn't you look in the Oscar section? You didn't know? Why do you want to rent it if you don't know anything about it?"

Then Netflix came around and I could click on anything I wanted, even titles I didn't know anything about.

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I'm sure it's a myth but when I moved here someone once told me all the hipper than thou employees work for nothing and there is a line a mile long to join them. The place is pretty much a combo of everything that is great and everything that blows about Portland rolled into one. And there is no shortage of business.

Yes, in Portland there are certain places who only hire people who have the proper piercings and the most artistic tattoos. They're not always the best workers but it's more important that their staff present an image that appeals to their demographic.
post #7491 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mproper View Post

I suspect we're still a few years away from the death of DVD, similar to how it took years for VHS to disappear. Glancing through the sales thread, it's pretty obvious that BD has a way to go before supplanting DVD as the dominant format. But it'll happen eventually.

I agree that BDs won't supplant DVDs as quickly as DVDs supplanted VHS tapes. I think that's because DVD, a digital format, was dramatically superior to VHS, an analog format, and a DVD player was all one needed to enjoy the superiority of DVDs. With BDs however, both a BD player and an HDTV are required at the very minimum and to get the best out of the available X.1 HD audio formats, one also must have an HDMI enabled AV receiver and, at least, a 5.1 speaker system. As most of us here have learned the hard way, that kind of an HT setup does not come cheaply.
post #7492 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

The bulk of the population at large is happy with DVD .. if they were to pick one format, DVD would be it .. let's hope not ..

I was thinking that it would force the dvd folks to streaming and the dvd users that had poor bandwidth, capped bandwidth, or ultimately decide on quality to come over to the blu-side..
post #7493 of 8769
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

With BDs however, both a BD player and an HDTV are required at the very minimum and to get the best out of the available X.1 HD audio formats, one also must have an HDMI enabled AV receiver and, at least, a 5.1 speaker system. As most of us here have learned the hard way, that kind of an HT setup does not come cheaply.

No doubt you can spend some coin on the gear, (Lord knows I have) .. however, a generally satisfying system can be put together on the cheap .. if you're patient and wait for the right deals ..
post #7494 of 8769
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

With BDs however, both a BD player and an HDTV are required at the very minimum

And HDTVs only reside in ≈ 60% of the US homes, that alone makes the potential Blu-ray market much smaller than the DVD market was. Our first ATSC station started broadcasting HDTV in November 1998 meaning it has been available for at least 13 years so HDTV its self has not exactly been a barn burner.
post #7495 of 8769
I subscribed to Blockbuster on a trial 3 weeks ago, and ordered a bunch of Blu-ray disks that are not available from Netflix. I am happy to say that the 3rd such disk arrives today (The Tenth Victim). Blockbuster has exceeded my expectations so far.

I will be canceling Netflix/Qwikster tonight or tomorrow before the next pay period and certainly before the switch to Qwikster. I see no reason to continue supporting a company that has by word and deed turned its back on quality Blu-ray disks and expects me to use their inferior streaming service instead.
post #7496 of 8769
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Originally Posted by rlsmith View Post

I subscribed to Blockbuster on a trial 3 weeks ago, and ordered a bunch of Blu-ray disks that are not available from Netflix. I am happy to say that the 3rd such disk arrives today (The Tenth Victim). Blockbuster has exceeded my expectations so far.

I will be canceling Netflix/Qwikster tonight or tomorrow before the next pay period and certainly before the switch to Qwikster. I see no reason to continue supporting a company that has by word and deed turned its back on quality Blu-ray disks and expects me to use their inferior streaming service instead.

I'm with you. Netsucks has gone downhill the last year or so. I'll give BB a shot. Thanks for the report.
post #7497 of 8769
lol, I cancelled NF and went to BB, but now I'm heading back because of their very poor turnaround time (about a week, compared to three days for NF) and discs they said were in stock that suddenly become "unavailable". Just can't win...



Edit: yes, and I'll add that everything in my queue is a "very long wait" so I'm not even getting anything they do have that I want to see!
post #7498 of 8769
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Originally Posted by skoolpsyk View Post

lol, I cancelled NF and went to BB, but now I'm heading back because of their very poor turnaround time (about a week, compared to three days for NF) and discs they said were in stock that suddenly become "unavailable". Just can't win...

I think I'm about to be in the same boat. All the BDs in my queue are either long wait or unavailable. It's sad that I've had to turn to Red Box, but I was able to get both the Transformers and Scream 4 BDs from RB when I could get them from BB. My BB account is set to re-bill on 10/13. I'm canceling if I don't get anything by 10/11.
post #7499 of 8769
Although neither RB/QS nor BB are perfection, RB/QS does a much better job on turnaround times and in stock material .. which is the whole point of subscribing in the first place ..
post #7500 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

Although neither RB/QS nor BB are perfection, RB/QS does a much better job on turnaround times and in stock material .. which is the whole point of subscribing in the first place ..

Historically, NF's turnaround times have always been faster than BB's but if my recent experience is any guide that may be changing. For example, over the past few weeks, BB has been sending out replacement discs the same day they receive a disc I have returned and the replacement has arrived in my mailbox the next day. Whether BB's improved service is an aberration or a trend remains to be seen, though.
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