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post #8281 of 8769
NF is still a good deal, disc wise. I did NOT get Being Human season 4 on disc shipped today so I am grumpy. But, I get what's at top of my queue maybe 80% of the time. Not bad.

It seems to me the streaming library took a turn for the worse in that lots of stuff they used to have went away. But as they ink deals they recover bit by bit I guess. Fodder for a different thread.

My main complaint is with their poor adoption of TV series on bluray. Or even on DVD. They get one season then lag way behind.

Mostly it's good, though.
post #8282 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Marc_G View Post

NF is still a good deal, disc wise. I did NOT get Being Human season 4 on disc shipped today so I am grumpy.


Why not stream season 4 confused.gif


Ian
post #8283 of 8769
thanx guys. i don't want to mess around with streaming. i just want BD's from the last 2 years or so. its been that long since i have watched a movie at home. i went to the theater 2 times . i wasn't very happy.
post #8284 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

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Originally Posted by Marc_G View Post

NF is still a good deal, disc wise. I did NOT get Being Human season 4 on disc shipped today so I am grumpy.


Why not stream season 4 confused.gif


Ian

I may do this but I find the picture quality lacking particularly with respect to black levels and such. Dark scenes look too black without definition. Even a decent DVD looks better to me.
post #8285 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Marc_G View Post

I may do this but I find the picture quality lacking particularly with respect to black levels and such. Dark scenes look too black without definition. Even a decent DVD looks better to me.

What's your download speed? How do other streams look? I just checked it out on my Panasonic PDP and the HD was pretty good. Definitely better then DVD. Check your TV settings and if all else fails you may want to contact your ISP.



Ian
post #8286 of 8769
My DL speed is 20 Mbps meaning in practice 10-30. When I stream I do it via my HTPC using WMC. My TV is an older 50" Panny 1080i plasma. So no built in streaming. Maybe something gets lost in translation. The black level issue I have seen on many diff shows that have lots of dark scenes. It's not just a single bad encode.

But to give credit where due, today NF shipped me being human season four disc 2. I thought, "WTF?" At first. Then got a notice that disc 1 was shipped as an arriving later bonus disc.

Now if only they carried it in BD format!

Many TV shows released in BD only make it to NF as DVD, which annoys the crap out of me.
post #8287 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Marc_G View Post

My DL speed is 20 Mbps meaning in practice 10-30. When I stream I do it via my HTPC using WMC. My TV is an older 50" Panny 1080i plasma. So no built in streaming. Maybe something gets lost in translation. The black level issue I have seen on many diff shows that have lots of dark scenes. It's not just a single bad encode.

But to give credit where due, today NF shipped me being human season four disc 2. I thought, "WTF?" At first. Then got a notice that disc 1 was shipped as an arriving later bonus disc.

Now if only they carried it in BD format!

Many TV shows released in BD only make it to NF as DVD, which annoys the crap out of me.


You may want to upgrade to a new TV and streamer like Roku some day. Glad you got your copy.


Ian
post #8288 of 8769
I've thought about it... but the TV displays all content other than NF streaming just fine. And even on the best TV, nf streaming suffers black level issues to my eyes. Bluray discs rock and remain my medium of choice!
post #8289 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Marc_G View Post

I've thought about it... but the TV displays all content other than NF streaming just fine. And even on the best TV, nf streaming suffers black level issues to my eyes. Bluray discs rock and remain my medium of choice!

It's a compressed stream .. at this point in the tech, there is no ability to get BD quality pushed thru an ISP for $8 bucks a month unlimited .. there really is no comparison between NF VOD and a BD ..
post #8290 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Marc_G View Post

I've thought about it... but the TV displays all content other than NF streaming just fine. And even on the best TV, nf streaming suffers black level issues to my eyes. Bluray discs rock and remain my medium of choice!

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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

It's a compressed stream .. at this point in the tech, there is no ability to get BD quality pushed thru an ISP for $8 bucks a month unlimited .. there really is no comparison between NF VOD and a BD ..


Even Vudu which boasts bit rates as high as 20mbps, can't compete with Blu-Ray. However, if you decide to upgrade to a newer set and streaming device, you will notice a marked improvement.



Ian
post #8291 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post


Even Vudu which boasts bit rates as high as 20mbps, can't compete with Blu-Ray. However, if you decide to upgrade to a newer set and streaming device, you will notice a marked improvement.



Ian

I don't believe a newer streaming device will improve the PQ with NF .. .. a new TV maybe somewhat, although NF looks the same to me on a 65" 6 year old set as well as a 65" one year old set both driven by PS3's .. I've never seen VUDU go over 11mbps / I have a 30mbps connection .. BD rates at in excess of 30mbps ..

I think NF PQ is perfectly acceptable and the HD streams ourstanding .. based on price, convienience and selection ..
post #8292 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I don't believe a newer streaming device will improve the PQ with NF .. .. a new TV maybe somewhat, although NF looks the same to me on a 65" 6 year old set as well as a 65" one year old set both driven by PS3's


He's streaming using an HTPC Windows Media app. I believe he may get better results using a smart TV or streaming device, since the source in question doesn't seem to even offer him DVD picture quality. I ran Being Human UK using a new Roku on my PDP, and as I posted before, the HD was very good.


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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I've never seen VUDU go over 11mbps / I have a 30mbps connection .. BD rates at in excess of 30mbps




HDX? I did post as high as. I've rarely seen a BD go higher then 25 - 30mbps on my player, but then again it's a Panny not a Sony. tongue.gif


Ian
Edited by mailiang - 1/16/13 at 1:47pm
post #8293 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

He's streaming using an HTPC Windows Media app. I believe he may get better results using a smart TV or streaming device, since the source in question doesn't seem to even offer him DVD picture quality. I ran Being Human UK using a new Roku on my PDP, and as I posted before, the HD was very good.




HDX? I did post as high as. I've rarely seen a BD go higher then 25 - 30mbps on my player, but then again it's a Panny not a Sony. tongue.gif


Ian

I've never tried anything not HDX .. it fluctuates between 9 and 11 mbps .. that seems pretty common from what I've read on the VUDU threads .. like I said, NF streaming HD is quite good .. especially based on the price .. the black level / no better than DVD if that complaint is common .. I find the PQ fine and better than DVD in most cases .. even with a non-HD stream .. folks should temper their expectations with cost / etc .. IMO ..
post #8294 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I've never tried anything not HDX .. it fluctuates between 9 and 11 mbps .. that seems pretty common from what I've read on the VUDU threads .. like I said, NF streaming HD is quite good .. especially based on the price .. the black level / no better than DVD if that complaint is common .. I find the PQ fine and better than DVD in most cases .. even with a non-HD stream .. folks should temper their expectations with cost / etc .. IMO ..


I only used Vudu a few times and I did a comparison of HD verses HDX using the preview of TDKR, and HDX did look a bit sharper to me. I agree that Netflix offers the best bang for the buck in terms of picture and sound quality. I'm very happy with it. You won't get any complaints from me. wink.gif


Ian
post #8295 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

I find the PQ fine and better than DVD in most cases.

APOV

I have deleted quite a few HD titles in my Netflix streaming queue because they were 1.78 (cropped and zoomed) as opposed to 2.35 on DVD, audio was 2 ch. as opposed to 5.1 on DVD. Many HD titles on Netflix appear to have a good dose of DNR applied to them.

Now back to Netflix disc rental.
post #8296 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

APOV

I have deleted quite a few HD titles in my Netflix streaming queue because they were 1.78 (cropped and zoomed) as opposed to 2.35 on DVD, audio was 2 ch. as opposed to 5.1 on DVD. Many HD titles on Netflix appear to have a good dose of DNR applied to them.

Now back to Netflix disc rental.


It's obvious from your posts that you're not the biggest fan when it comes to streaming. I have to agree with mgkdragn, that for the most part, Netflix offers pretty good picture quality for the money. Most of the HD titles that I have watched look much better then DVD on my PDP, however, when it comes to watching block buster titles, I refuse to view them on anything but Blu-Ray.



Ian
post #8297 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

Most of the HD titles that I have watched look much better then DVD on my PDP,

There are many people that prefer titles that have a good dose of DRN and equate them as looking better than the same more noisy titles on DVD. From what I and others have observed many folks prefer to have 1.33 stretched to 1.78. They readily accept the geometry distortion over black bars.

It is so tiring seeing these streaming is better than disc post repeated over and over. IMO you folks should go to the streaming section and brag there, leave out negative comments on physical disc, etc.
post #8298 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

There are many people that prefer titles that have a good dose of DRN and equate them as looking better than the same more noisy titles on DVD. From what I and others have observed many folks prefer to have 1.33 stretched to 1.78. They readily accept the geometry distortion over black bars.

It is so tiring seeing these streaming is better than disc post repeated over and over. IMO you folks should go to the streaming section and brag there, leave out negative comments on physical disc, etc.

However, as with all human senses, the eye of the beholder is the key .. one mans junk is another man's gold, IOW ..
post #8299 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

There are many people that prefer titles that have a good dose of DRN and equate them as looking better than the same more noisy titles on DVD. From what I and others have observed many folks prefer to have 1.33 stretched to 1.78. They readily accept the geometry distortion over black bars.

It is so tiring seeing these streaming is better than disc post repeated over and over. IMO you folks should go to the streaming section and brag there, leave out negative comments on physical disc, etc.

There are drawbacks to both technologies. With DVD you have to deal with over processing, down scaling and edge enhancement which introduces artifacts like ringing, dot crawl and stair stepping.

I never watched any movie that is not shown in its native content, stretching is blasphemy! biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

However, as with all human senses, the eye of the beholder is the key .. one mans junk is another man's gold, IOW ..

Absolutely. But I think we can all agree, nothing beats BD.


Ian wink.gif
post #8300 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

With DVD you have to deal with over processing, down scaling and edge enhancement which introduces artifacts like ringing, dot crawl and stair stepping.

Not true. Over processing is strictly a transfer & mastering decision. Analog edge enhancement is deliberate and controlled “ringing” and if overdone produces undesirable artifacts which many DVDs had. Dot crawl is an artifact of RS170A (CVBS) video and should not be present in the component video outputs. Not sure what you mean by stair stepping as it relates to edge enhancement or down scaling.

There are many excellent looking DVDs and there are some that look really bad. That said I have yet to see a DVD that is “near” Blu-ray quality as many tried to proclaim.

The same will probably be true of BD vs UBD (4K). Things should get interesting when the BDA concludes its BD extension findings. Hopefully H.265 will be ratified soon and we should know more about where 4K is going.
post #8301 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

Not true. Over processing is strictly a transfer & mastering decision. Analog edge enhancement is deliberate and controlled “ringing” and if overdone produces undesirable artifacts which many DVDs had. Dot crawl is an artifact of RS170A (CVBS) video and should not be present in the component video outputs. Not sure what you mean by stair stepping as it relates to edge enhancement or down scaling.

I was referring to edge enhancement when I posted over processing, since it can produce, as you mentioned undesirable effects. Sorry for the redundancy. I wasn't using stair stepping in the same context as edge enhancement. I was referring to jaggies as a result sometimes found when (excuse me, not down scaling,eek.gif) up scaling (and deinterlacing) SD content on an HDTV.

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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

There are many excellent looking DVDs and there are some that look really bad. That said I have yet to see a DVD that is “near” Blu-ray quality as many tried to proclaim.

Neither have I, that's why I don't mind paying extra for rental BD's.

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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

The same will probably be true of BD vs UBD (4K). Things should get interesting when the BDA concludes its BD extension findings. Hopefully H.265 will be ratified soon and we should know more about where 4K is going.


I'm waiting to see what impact 4k will have on a smaller screen, but I have a feeling that projection and big screen sets will take priority.



Ian
Edited by mailiang - 1/17/13 at 9:55pm
post #8302 of 8769
Just got Dredd in the mail. Pop it into the player press play and it asks me if I would like to play the movie in 3d or 2d. This can't be right. I'm going to press 3d and its going to tell me that this is not available on the rental version. It worked:). Has anyone found any other discs with both versions of a movie?
post #8303 of 8769
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Originally Posted by kawika4 View Post

Just got Dredd in the mail. Pop it into the player press play and it asks me if I would like to play the movie in 3d or 2d. This can't be right. I'm going to press 3d and its going to tell me that this is not available on the rental version. It worked:). Has anyone found any other discs with both versions of a movie?


There is only one BD version of Dredd. It has both the 2D and 3D versions on the disc. It was the same way when I had the Redbox rental. Fortunately I found this out before I returned it so Dredd was the first 3D title I watched where I had not previously seen the movie.
post #8304 of 8769
Netflix released Death Race 3 to stream before it's available to rent. Even Vudu doesn't have it until next week. Would be nice if this was becoming a trend for straight to video/ indie films, (I prefer BD for the BB titles), but I think that's wishful thinking.



Ian
Edited by mailiang - 1/18/13 at 9:51pm
post #8305 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

Netflix released Death Race 3 to stream before it's available to rent. Even Vudu doesn't have it until next week. Would be nice if this was becoming a trend for straight to video/ indie films, (I prefer BD for the BB titles), but I think that's wishful thinking.



Ian

We've got a good thread that's been going on a while over at :

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1222798/netflix-watch-instantly-gems-and-finds

Not being critical of your post, but you are welcome to join us over there .. smile.gif
post #8306 of 8769
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

We've got a good thread that's been going on a while over at :

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1222798/netflix-watch-instantly-gems-and-finds

Not being critical of your post, but you are welcome to join us over there .. smile.gif


Thanks for the heads up!


Ian
post #8307 of 8769
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

There is only one BD version of Dredd. It has both the 2D and 3D versions on the disc. It was the same way when I had the Redbox rental. Fortunately I found this out before I returned it so Dredd was the first 3D title I watched where I had not previously seen the movie.
Interesting about the 3D version of Dredd. I cancelled my Netflix subscription a few months ago because there are too many things available on Blu-ray that I want to see, but Netflix doesn't stock. It is disappointing that they are taking such a long wait and see approach to 3D.
post #8308 of 8769
i just got expendables 2 blu ray. it has only dolby d no hd audio. anyone else get the same thing or dod i choose wrong?
post #8309 of 8769
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Originally Posted by Luisfc1972 View Post

i just got expendables 2 blu ray. it has only dolby d no hd audio. anyone else get the same thing or dod i choose wrong?

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1430959/netflix-bds-without-dts-hd-master-audio-dd-5-1-instead/630#post_22807224
post #8310 of 8769
Well, I just watch The Possession, a Lions Gate film, and the DTS Master audio track fared pretty well. So much for all the theories we've drawn around here.



Ian biggrin.gif
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