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Any Warner titles that look better on HD DVD than the Blu-Ray of the same movie?

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
I see some older Warner titles on Blu use mpeg-2 not VC-1. Are there any Warner titles that look better on HD DVD than the same title on Blu? Many online reviewers were using that problemed 1st generation Samsung which makes them pretty useless as far as comparisons go.

Thanks.
Tom
post #2 of 25
Training Day
post #3 of 25
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Originally Posted by Tom Monahan View Post

I see some older Warner titles on Blu use mpeg-2 not VC-1. Are there any Warner titles that look better on HD DVD than the same title on Blu? Many online reviewers were using that problemed 1st generation Samsung which makes them pretty useless as far as comparisons go.

Thanks.
Tom

I believe Departed looked better on BD.
post #4 of 25
Since most of WB's titles, up until Shoot 'Em Up that is, were HD-DVD video encodes dumped onto Blu-ray discs then I'd say no, they are a draw.

Audio wise, it was a bit of a mixed bag. WB would do PCM for Blu-ray and TrueHD for HD-DVD, or TrueHD for both, or TrueHD for HD-DVD and DD lossy for Blu-ray. All over the map!

Now that WB, New Line, and HBO are Blu-ray studios they can start to use Shoot 'Em Up as a model and encode to Blu-ray's strengths of capacity and bandwidth. Hopefully, they follow New Line's lead with lossless audio on all titles.

Dan
post #5 of 25
i'd say the picture quality was about the same for both but the HD DVD versions sometimes offered more in the way of features such as PiP and internet connectivity. examples are 300 and blood diamond.
post #6 of 25
For VC-1 titles, Warner always used identical encodes for the video between the formats. If you think otherwise, you are completely wrong.
They did change up the audio a lot. For a while they used PCM on BD and TrueHD on HDDVD. They also added more dubbed tracks on the BDs, like German and Italian DD.
post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Since most of WB's titles, up until Shoot 'Em Up that is, were HD-DVD video encodes dumped onto Blu-ray discs

Isn't Shoot 'Em Up a New Line title? (Their third release on any HDM format.)

Yes, all Warner did look identical on both formats. There was a single compression work-flow, well... except where a 2nd PIP encode was done for fake PIP on BD... like T3.
post #8 of 25
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Originally Posted by benes View Post

There were only a few titles in the very early days of Blu-ray that used MPEG-2. Other than that all Warner titles have 100% identical video. The audio and special features sometimes differed.

Some of those MPEG-2 titles include: Training Day, Space Cowboys, The Fugitive, Full Metal Jacket (ORIGINAL VERSION), Good Night and Good Luck, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Rumor Has It. Actually that might be all of them.

So the HD DVD of Space Cowboys and Training Day look better than the Blu-Ray as they are VC-1 instead of mpeg-2?

Thanks,
Tom
post #9 of 25
The mpeg-2 encode of Training Day is actually smaller than the vc-1 encode. Go figure.
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by Kram Sacul View Post

The mpeg-2 encode of Training Day is actually smaller than the vc-1 encode. Go figure.

BD-25 holds less data than HD-30.
post #11 of 25
Yeah, but the encode is below 15gb. Does Training Day have a ton of special features on it?
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by Arpeggi View Post

Training Day

Training Day HD DVD was much better than the BD. There are also quite a few HD DVDs that have better audio as well, such as Superman Returns and Happy Feet.
post #13 of 25
I thought so. It's like Warner intentionally crippled it. How is ancient mpeg-2 supposed to compete with vc-1 if the encode is smaller? lol

On the subject of comparisons between cross-platform titles has anyone compared House of Wax?
post #14 of 25
I thought the BRD was mpeg-2.
post #15 of 25
Well, that's good.
post #16 of 25
I find it funny lossless audio on several titles mentioned is the determining factor for the HD DVD having better than audio the BD, yet on Transformers it didn't matter.

I will definitely hang on to my HD DVD of Training Day though. Great disc.
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by Dan Hitchman View Post

Audio wise, it was a bit of a mixed bag. WB would do PCM for Blu-ray and TrueHD for HD-DVD, or TrueHD for both, or TrueHD for HD-DVD and DD lossy for Blu-ray. All over the map!

Now that WB, New Line, and HBO are Blu-ray studios they can start to use Shoot 'Em Up as a model and encode to Blu-ray's strengths of capacity and bandwidth. Hopefully, they follow New Line's lead with lossless audio on all titles.

Dan

I never saw a case where Bluray had lossless and HD did not. If WB did a lossless track then HD always had it and sometimes Bluray would get it. Safe bet was to get the HD-DVD versions of WB movies, which gave HD the edge from that studio, imo. Now that WB will encode for Bluray only, I assume they'll start encoding for 50GB vs 30GB so I think we'll at least get HD-DVD quality out of Bluray now, and maybe even better since the 30GB mark becomes irrelevant (hopefully 25GB doesn't become relevant, but I think WB would have taken care of that in their negotiations
post #18 of 25
I'm kind of hoping for Warner to revisit alot of their BRD titles. Escpecially the screwed up ones with jaggies. They already re-did FMJ.
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by rabident View Post

[color=black]I never saw a case where Bluray had lossless and HD did not.

IIRC Sopranos Season Six, Part One is the only time this happened. BD had PCM, HD DVD had DD+.

S6P2 had lossless on both.
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by Kram Sacul View Post

I'm kind of hoping for Warner to revisit alot of their BRD titles. Escpecially the screwed up ones with jaggies. They already re-did FMJ.

I wouldn't hold my breath for new masters on most of them. If they couldn't justify it the first time, odds are it'll take a lot to justify a new master and a re-release. Just be happy they no longer bother releasing titles based on these less than optimal masters. (The Fugitive, Enter The Dragon, etc.) FMJ had the advantage of being re-released as part of the big Kubrick remasters.
post #21 of 25
If they emulate the re-issue trends of DVD, I think it may be premature to assume that there will be no re-transfer/re-releases of early HD-DVD/Bluray titles. Its still very early in the life cycle of HD-on-disc...I think we'll see a LOT of calls for re-dipping as the studios get used to BD50 capacities and the interactive feature sets mature.

Remember flipper DVDs? Remember all those early DVDs and the mediocre transfers on classic titles, then Superbit, and all the 10/20/25/30th Anniversary re-releases, etc.? We're not going to see those lucrative practices go away--it's much more cost effective for the studios to just re-encode an existing film's digital HD transfer (which can result in a much better end product) and re-package than you might think.

People have made a point of mentioning the 'Full Metal Jacket' re-issue...and having just purchased that Bluray and watched it, it looked pretty darn good (considering the source/materials). Likewise, the 'Fifth Element' fiasco/re-issue is an example of a desirable title coming out and getting more spit-and-polish down the line.
post #22 of 25
I think Warner will do it right. The Perfect Storm will at least be fixed if it's ever on Blu. Same thing with Willy Wonka.

Cannot forget the recent releases of Twilight Zone and The Shining. I thought for sure those would be jaggy infected but they're totally clean. Either they spent the money on new transfers or they fixed the problem.
post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by Tom Monahan View Post

I see some older Warner titles on Blu use mpeg-2 not VC-1. Are there any Warner titles that look better on HD DVD than the same title on Blu? Many online reviewers were using that problemed 1st generation Samsung which makes them pretty useless as far as comparisons go.

Thanks.
Tom

Stick with the HD DVD version of the movies. They are both identicle in PQ & AQ with HD DVD having better PQ & AQ on a few titles, but HD DVD has the interactive features & the PIP which are great.
post #24 of 25
most BD's now switching over to mpeg4, because sony doesn't like the microsoft developed vc1
post #25 of 25
300, Blood Diamond due to IME and extras. HPOOTP due to IME. POTO, Happy Feet, Superman Returns due to True HD.
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