Vizio's New 2008 Lineup - Page 7

I have the feeling the price just went up quite a bit.

They promised a REON based 1080p 50 inch plasma at $1699. We are getting a 50 inch plasma at $1699 and we are getting a plasma with a REON. Unfortunately, they will not be one and the same.

I wonder if the 505 is what Jim got quoted the $1899 price for.

Thats a bunch of crap. I really don't care if it is a little more expensive, but they should at least have a press release with really is going on, since they had no problems taking all the press and being on all the tech sites with the announcement in January.

Give us accurate model info, price info, and release dates please, Vizio.

I wonder if we'll get lucky and that was a typo.
Maybe this forthcoming VP505F is the VP605F that is due in August.

At this point, I wouldnt be surprised. The Vizio staff seemed to be pretty clueless when it comes to marketing and product planning.

I'll reconfirm the model # with Jim if he gets back to me. It does seem wierd that the VP505F seemingly came out of nowhere, so who knows

http://www.vizio.com/support/discuss...b-8f3826206eb9


This is what comes up when you search vizio vp505 on google.

I am very interested in the 60" 1080p Vizio plasma. If this is a good plasma, I will sell my 50" 720p Panasonic. I really want to upgrade. 50" does not feel as big as a year ago. And I want to upgrade from 10,000:1 contrast to 30,000:1 contrast. I want my next plasma to be the one I own for 10 years. I don't want to feed the upgrade bug every year.

If the 60" Vizio turns out to be junk, I will wait for the 60" Pioneer 1080p to lower in price. Last year Sam's Club got a bunch of 60" Pioneers on sale, and I bet in another year Sam's Club will get the left over 60" 1080p Pioneer Kuro's.

I really want this to be my final upgrade.

LOL! Didnt sound very convincing did it.

I think I am just going to get the new 58" Samsung. I'm tired of waiting for the new Vizio and Panasonic 58" to come out, especially if the Vizio doesn't have HQV. Can get the Sammy for pretty cheap online right now.

On a slightly different note, I spotted the new Vizio vp422 42 inch plasma at Wal-Mart tonight. The MSRP is $799. It was cheaper then even the cheapest of the LCDs on display.

It looked significantly better than any of the LCDs on display, for whatever thats worth. We all know how difficult it is to compare TVs when they are displayed in that special Wal-Mart way

Do you know if that model is up on Wal-Mart's site yet? I've checked out the 32" version and it looks a lot better than the 32" LCD models that were next to it, heck it even looks better than the larger sized 1080p LCDs!!

I've also noticed that some Wal-Marts have really bad feeds and some have the higher hd-feeds, I changed the channel and found a hi-def channel (14-1?) and got their 720p and it helps to see if they have the remotes behind the sets.

Goalier, I am afraid it is not listed on Wal-Marts site. They seem to be slow in listin new items. They don't have the new Samasung Blu-ray player listed either.

Vizio 42" Plasma VP422

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...uct_id=8477432

Thanks for the link! I am glad they finally added it. The price matches what I saw in store but some of the details still look incomplete. For example:

"Response Time: 5ms"

I have a couple of friends interested in this model so I am looking forward to hearing about people's experiences.

I just got off the phone with Vizio.

As previously reported the VP504 DOES NOT include the REON processor.

I was informed any publication stating the VP504 would have such was a misprint and that the REON was always to be included in the VP505. I realize Visio has published their own errors but will they be manufacturing them. It woudl be nice is Vizio made a news article correcting their error. 5 Months of REON PR for Vizio adn now they want to claim otherwise.

There is no information as to when the VP505 will be released.

The VP504 can currently be purchased at Costco.

What about the 60"?

It isn't on Costco's site yet. I'm highly disappointed by the 504 not having the Reon processor. I am now considering the 720p Samsung 50A450 as my bedroom set. It can be had for $350 less than the MSRP of the 504. DOes anyone think the 504, sans Reon processor will be better than the Samsung 50A450 at a viewing distance of about 10 feet?

I saw the VP504 today in Raleigh. They had 3 on the floor. A few comments:

• I don't see how they can talk about 30000:1 contrast ratio. The TV was next to a Panny 700U (last year's model) and the Panny's screen was clearly blacker with no pic displayed.
• Case looked nice. The speakers are now smaller. Also still has the vertically oriented connections on the rear which makes for a simpler wall mount.
• Whites looked better than on a Panny. By comparison, the Panny's whites looked almost grey.
• Overall the picture looked fine. On screen blacks were not noticably lighter than the Panny next to it despite my first comment above. I didn't see any video noise or obvious banding. But quite honestly, I didn't see any of these artifacts on any of the sets on display. But...
• One showstopper. All the sets were displaying the same loop (via component). The 504 showed some sort of odd problem at the bottom of the screen. The bottom row of pixels were white, as was the third-from-bottom row. The 5 to 8 pixels above those 3 were clearly displaying some other sort of problem, but not as obvious (the pic just wasn't right). The right-vertical edge had some sort of similar problem, but was less noticable. It almost looked like sync problems you see on a PC when you don't have a graphics card outputting the correct sync/porch/? values for an analog monitor. Perhaps some sort of problem displaying HD from component?

I'm going to the Durham store tonight to see if theirs has the same problem. If it does, that is a showstopper for me.

EDIT: None in Durham. I hope the problem I saw is not on all models nor a problem with component input.

Regardless of the HQV REON misinformation by both Vizio & HQV websites I still may wind up taking this home on a trial basis. i can only hope my multimedia laptop can play BlueRay in Full 1080P via HDMI.

I already own a Vizio 22"LCD and while Vizio publishes the VO22L-LCD as HDCP compliant I can not get a BlueRay playing hooked via HDMI to my laptop (NVIDIA) 9500mGS graphics.

Vizio does not even publish the version of the HDMI interface on the VO22L. When I called Tech Support Vizio could not even tell me what version of HDMI my LCD has and in 1 month never got back via e-mail when I asked them to escalate the issue to a higher level of tech Support.

As I said I will most likely take this home on a trial basis but when Vizio and HQV both have for months published a Vizio 50" Plasma with a June release and now seeing a VP504 WITHOUT HQV ya really have to wonder if the VP504 is being released to capitalize on some market share before releasing the VP505 sometime down the line.

For me I would not buy a 50" with anything less than 1080P. The main reason is that I expect to have a good portion on HD content played in my main Home Theater environment and I want nothing less than what this TV can deliver displaying that content . Regardless I still expect to have plenty of LowRes viewing and HQV is paramount in getting rid of distortion on LowRes content.

While the REON processor hype was a big push in marketing for what this TV could have done with low res data "all by itself", and I'm talking from a variety of LOW RES sources, this TV should still perform very well with True HD content or low res sources that have been "optimized externally" with an AVR or External Video Optimizer that has HQV .

Without HQV processing, no matter where it is done, LOW RES DATA will still look distorted as it does on many and I repeat many Large Screen HDTV sets that display LOW RES content that has not been optimized with HQV.

Remember that old Dire Straits Song
"Money For Nothing"
where Sting sang
"I Want My, I Want My. I Want My MTV"
well
"I want my, I want my, I want my HQV."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNaKWXqXkhw

I just got back from looking at the 504 at a local Costco. My experience mirrors ScottS's. The matrix of the panel is actually greenish and the surrounding prior gen Panasonics look darker with no power. I suspect the contrast ratio improvement over previous LGs may be coming as much from brightness as improved blacks.

As with ScottS, I saw a row of odd pixels on the bottom and on the right. As was his case, the source was over component. Even for component, it was particularly lousy. This may just be an overscan/underscan issue. We can't know until a brave sucker, uhhh MEMBER, gets one in their house

I like the design of the bezel/case. Its definitely an improvement over the prior generation.

Take this with a HUGE grain of salt since the viewing environment was terrible, but the picture seemed mediocre. Compared to the last gen panasonics around it on the same source, it didnt look noticably better. Of course, this could easily be the environment/settings/source.

Wow--glad I didn't wait for the Viz and went ahead with the Pani 50PZ85U back in March. Absolutely no regrets or wondering about what could have been after seeing this news.

The Pani is close to 1K more and while a remarkable set I am interested in seeing the performance of the VP504 with 1080P TrueColor content over HDMI.

The store demo problems over Component are typical of Vizio 50" Plasmas from last year and until I see what the display can achieve with HD data or HQV optimized data over HDMI I would have to say that the technology for $1699 is a very good price point.

If the Pani 50PZ85U is available at a reliable retailer at similar pricing I would want to grab that at this point for Vizio has disappointed this and I am sure many consumers with not including the Reon in the VP504 as stated in their January 07,2008 News Article.

Yeah, your choice is looking pretty smart right now. You have gotten three months of enjoyment from your panny. On the other hand, those of us who waited on the 504 just got the shaft from Vizio for our trouble

At present, I am disappointed. If I had been ready to buy in March, I would be straight out mad since they surely knew by then that the REON was dropped. However, they conveniently "forgot" to correct their announcements. And the worst part is, I am not sure Vizio will ever release a REON based plasma like the one they announced back in January.

Let's start a poll: Which will we see first?

A. Vizio's 50 inch plasma with REON
B. The Tooth Fairy

Personally, I think its even money...

Even last year's 720p Vizios didn't have the display problem I saw on the 504.

It doesn't instill me with confidence that Vizio has improved their quality. I previously owned a 42" P42 Vizio. It worked great for 2 years then died last week. Now I see problems everywhere about the 1st gen Vizios dying after 2 years. I never had any complaints about the picture, but sheesh, you put $1500 into one of these things and they better last more than 2 years. I'm not sure what to do. I see the video noise on the Panny Z80U/Z85U. The new Samsungs seem very succeptible to IR. The 504 can't display component. Not sure what to do. At this point, I might have to go with the Samsung or a last gen Panny. Sigh. Ya know, you'd like to be excited about the $1500-2000 set you're about to buy!

To build off your point, the evidence suggests that this model may be a cobbled together rush job. Assuming Vizio was not flat out lying about planning to use the REON back in January, the soonest the decision to switch could have been made was February. That leaves precious little time to consider and select design changes, implement them, validate them, negotiate with suppliers, and then ramp up production. Not to mention the transit time to get them shipped from China to the Costco stores in the US. Given the short timeframe, quality control steps are likely to have been abbreviated if not skipped.

All of this suggests that these first shipments may be more prone to glitches and quality control problems than Vizios usually are. Now THAT is a scary thought

For grins, I read the 504 owners manual on Vizio's site. It appears that there are numerous adjustments that can be made to the component input: Hsize, Vsize, Hposition, Vposition, and an AutoPhase setting (not sure what that does). Interestingly, it also has a Lip Sync setting.

So it appears that the component input can be tweaked. It wouldn't surprise me that the guys who set it up just plugged it in, turned it on, and left.

Note that Vizio didn't drop the Reon project. It's going to be named 505 instead (from posts above).
A visit to HQV website verified that:


The on screen menu looks like the same as their other models. I know absolutely nothing about the procedures and flow of production but my (uneducated) guess is this model probably uses very similar ingredients as the others.

I don't think they lied, their putting the HQV in their VP505 all the press release said was that the chip is going into the their 50 in plasma, so it is just not the 504.

I would think this will be released early summer along with their Black Tie line of the new LCD's.

From earlier post:
Let's start a poll: Which will we see first?

A. Vizio's 50 inch plasma with REON
B. The Tooth Fairy

So MKL casts a vote for A.

I hope MLK is right. But I remember what Vizio did with their 52 lcd last year as well. Personally, I think its even money whether it will see the light of day- and I think I am giving Vizio the benefit of the doubt with that.

Let's face it, their track record doesn't bode well. They knew months ago that this model did not have the REON, but they didnt say a word. In fact, the last time I checked, the big press release about the 504 with the REON was still on their site. Now they say there will be a 505 with the REON. No formal announcement. No ship date. No price.

The old adage about "fool me once" is coming to mind. For anyone who is considering buy today, Mosoxfan's advice is looking pretty good.

On the other hand, if you aren't thinking of buying now, there is no reason not to keep an eye on this. Maybe Vizio will come through.