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I guess warner didn't really lie to HD-DVD owners.  

post #1 of 64
1/6/08 at 5:56pm
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But in case anybody agrees they did:

Back in October Engadget reported on a rumor that Warner Home Video was considering going Blu-ray exclusive, most notable Dan Silverberg (VP of high-definition media for Warner Home Video) was quoted as saying: one thing that may be changing is [Warner's] strategy."

Then again only a month ago Business Week reported that Warner Brothers would announce their exclusive support for Blu-ray at CES (which in fact, they did.) Again, Warner Home Video denied these rumors. Roger Clarke (Warner Brothers Home Video Australia and New Zealand managing director) said that the company's global position had not changed and they would continue to support both HD DVD and Blu-ray for the foreseeable future.

A few days earlier, Don Lindich had reported on his blog that he had an email response from Jim Noonan, Warner Bros. Senior Vice President and General Manager, which read: Dear Mr. Lindich, We have made no decision to change our present policy which is to produce in both HD DVD and Blu-ray. Engadget also reported on this story.

So there you have it, in less than a month two top Warner execs both promised consumers that they would continue to support both formats, and that they had made no decisions to change that policy. On Friday January 4th, they did.
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I'm not trying to divert traffic to anybody's blog, I'm just posting what I think would be a good idea. If they're gonna tell us that they wouldn't switch, and then end up switching, I think they owe us some free replacement discs as a sign of good faith. Getting called a spammer and having the thread deleted is like shooting the messenger. Feel free to disagree but at least let it be said.

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post #2 of 64
1/6/08 at 6:10pm
blows cuz i just bought the whole harry potter catalog and most of my hd dvds are from WB. i was going to orer all the kubrick movies but now i'm holding off. man, i was really looking forward to the new batman movie too!
post #3 of 64
1/6/08 at 6:12pm
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I got an HD-DVD player for christmas (A3 of course) and the day before this announcement I bought 5 movies through the buy 3 get 2 free deal at best buy. Three of them were WB movies. And my friend who is starting this campaign has about 30 HD-DVDs, of which 18 are WB. So yeah, its a big deal. If we can get them to show some good faith, I'd have a higher opinion of them and be more inclined to buy more discs.
post #4 of 64
1/6/08 at 6:13pm
Yeah, the Harry Potter thing is the worst part for me. I hate that I'm gonna have the last two movies in a different format.
post #5 of 64
1/6/08 at 6:14pm
You do know that no company comments on rumors posted on blogs and most do not reveal the intricacies of their business strategy for the future?
post #6 of 64
1/6/08 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by Pitot Static View Post

Ok, he already added some more stuff. I'm ONLY LINKING TO THIS BECAUSE ITS WHERE MY FRIEND IS POSTING. He does NOT have any ads up so this ISN'T a money-making attempt at spamming. It IS on topic and I just wanted to see if anybody else agrees about the warner situation.

http://warnerlied.blogspot.com/

And if linking is a "gestapo post-deleted" offense, why let people make URLs at all?

Woah, those blog entries look similar to something I posted that was deleted. My issue had more to do with the sets (Harry Potter, Superman, Smallville, and Batman Begins), but I felt the same way... even though I buy both formats.
post #7 of 64
1/6/08 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by eapleitez View Post

Yeah, the Harry Potter thing is the worst part for me. I hate that I'm gonna have the last two movies in a different format.

That's the only reason I sold my Potter HD DVDs, I don't want to have a split-format series.

Every other HD DVD I own, I'm keeping. Hell, I ordered 10 more (5 of which were the Band of Brothers series) last night.
post #8 of 64
1/6/08 at 6:16pm
Thread Starter 
We're just absorbing ideas as far as things to say to write in a more official format to WB. Its not like we're gonna copy paste a link to them in an e-mail and expect to get a response. If you have something to add, feel free to.
post #9 of 64
1/6/08 at 6:22pm
At the very least, they were double-talking to keep consumer confidence up through the holidays. At worst, the may have effectively lied and/or perpetrated a fraud upon consumers.

Truth is that they probably made a rash and shortsighted decision in spite of their own "instincts."
post #10 of 64
1/6/08 at 6:25pm
i have the toshiba hda1. who knows how long that thing will last for? and when it keels over, there may not be any more hd dvd players on the market. that's why i can't buy any more hd dvds. i have a total of 55 hd dvds. i'm glad the damage wasn't worse. i actually have 3 discs on the way from amazon that are gonna be sent back as soon as i get them.
post #11 of 64
1/6/08 at 6:36pm
class action lawsuit possible ?
post #12 of 64
1/6/08 at 6:53pm
Thread Starter 
Seconded
post #13 of 64
1/6/08 at 6:59pm
This is a worthless endeavor. Get over it. Did you fight for VHS? LP? 8-track? Al Gore?
post #14 of 64
1/6/08 at 7:02pm
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Originally Posted by Primus67 View Post

i have the toshiba hda1. who knows how long that thing will last for? and when it keels over, there may not be any more hd dvd players on the market. that's why i can't buy any more hd dvds. i have a total of 55 hd dvds. i'm glad the damage wasn't worse. i actually have 3 discs on the way from amazon that are gonna be sent back as soon as i get them.

Any future BD players from Toshiba will almost certainly retain HD DVD playback capability. Others will probably show up as well, at least from Samsung.
post #15 of 64
1/6/08 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by kevivoe View Post

This is a worthless endeavor. Get over it. Did you fight for Al Gore?


I would rather own Blu Ray!!
post #16 of 64
1/6/08 at 7:20pm
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I didn't think about that part. Of course if bluray "wins" Toshiba can just graft on bluray support to future HDM players. No reason they can't use their own technology in a device that also plays Sony's technology discs.
post #17 of 64
1/6/08 at 7:31pm
A facebook group has also popped up over this: http://lewisu.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8598345823
post #18 of 64
1/6/08 at 7:33pm
Maybe Warner can use the money from the cash bribe the Blu side didn't give them to replace our HD DVD's with Blu ones.
post #19 of 64
1/6/08 at 7:36pm
theres less then a million hd dvd owners. Sega took the dreamcast off the market in the US with 10million sold... Stop whining about 100dollar player.
post #20 of 64
1/6/08 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by phidjit View Post

A facebook group has also popped up over this: http://lewisu.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8598345823

Kinda, it was formed because the way most of the articles are written, people think Warner is going Blu exclusive. Apparently some people are taking it meaning Warner is going to stop producing DVD too. That is a problem.
post #21 of 64
1/6/08 at 7:39pm
This is so sad...

http://www.kleenex.com/
post #22 of 64
1/6/08 at 7:51pm
It would suck. At least I have a respectable upconverting DVD player (XA2). It ain't over til its over. (Though it's close.)

Chris.
post #23 of 64
1/6/08 at 7:54pm
they owe you NOTHING...

and, fwiw, neither do the owners/moderators of this site... which if you continue to re-post stuff that's been deleted by them, you'll find out the hard way...
post #24 of 64
1/6/08 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

they owe you NOTHING...

and, fwiw, neither do the owners/moderators of this site... which if you continue to re-post stuff that's been deleted by them, you'll find out the hard way...

I'm in no way saying I deserve anything, or that Warner should give me anything. Just saying if they were to, I wouldn't say no. Just like I didn't expect anything from Apple for buying an iPhone early, but I wasn't going to say no to $100.
post #25 of 64
1/6/08 at 8:03pm
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Originally Posted by whitestang06 View Post

At the very least, they were double-talking to keep consumer confidence up through the holidays. At worst, the may have effectively lied and/or perpetrated a fraud upon consumers.

Truth is that they probably made a rash and shortsighted decision in spite of their own "instincts."

It's ALL about money.

BDA paid about 1 Billion US dollars last week to keep Fox and Warner exclusive.

HD DVD evidently lost the bidding war, but therefore MUST obviously have close to 1 Billion dollars left over with which to play...

Just look at this way. Disney can be looking at Warner now and saying HOLY CRAP! These guys got this much money or so much benefits etc etc. We want that. HD DVD comes now and not only gives them working TL 51, but throws in another $500 million in there too. Do you think they would really not publish in HD DVD? Let's not be naive.
post #26 of 64
1/6/08 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by bourke View Post

It's ALL about money.

BDA paid about 1 Billion US dollars last week to keep Fox and Warner exclusive.

HD DVD evidently lost the bidding war, but therefore MUST obviously have close to 1 Billion dollars left over with which to play...

Just look at this way. Disney can be looking at Warner now and saying HOLY CRAP! These guys got this much money or so much benefits etc etc. We want that. HD DVD comes now and not only gives them working TL 51 by June, but throws in another $500 million in there too. Do you think they would really not publish in HD DVD? Let's not be naive.

Sony is also movie company. That makes a big difference.

John
post #27 of 64
1/6/08 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by bourke View Post

It's ALL about money.

BDA paid about 1 Billion US dollars last week to keep Fox and Warner exclusive.

HD DVD evidently lost the bidding war, but therefore MUST obviously have close to 1 Billion dollars left over with which to play...

Just look at this way. Disney can be looking at Warner now and saying HOLY CRAP! These guys got this much money or so much benefits etc etc. We want that. HD DVD comes now and not only gives them working TL 51, but throws in another $500 million in there too. Do you think they would really not publish in HD DVD? Let's not be naive.

This would be stupid for them to do. Why drag this silly war out any longer? I don't think that Disney is hard up for cash and I really don't think that Toshiba could shell out 500 million dollars to get them anyway. Get over it and move on.
post #28 of 64
1/6/08 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

they owe you NOTHING...

and, fwiw, neither do the owners/moderators of this site... which if you continue to re-post stuff that's been deleted by them, you'll find out the hard way...

Let them vent, no harm in that. I'm disappointed about Warner's decision, but business is business.
On a side note, isn't it a bit hypocritical to get so worked up about someone else getting worked up? Heck, if I made my decision to support one format over another based solely Warner's support, and read the info linked above, I'd feel slighted enough to raise a stink. Even AVS knows it's big news, with CES in action now, The Warner decision is still the headline on the front page.
post #29 of 64
1/6/08 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by dsa_shea View Post

This would be stupid for them to do. Why drag this silly war out any longer? I don't think that Disney is hard up for cash...

Do you think Fox and Warner were hard up for the cash either?!

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Originally Posted by dsa_shea View Post

... and I really don't think that Toshiba could shell out 500 million dollars to get them anyway.

So why did Fox and Warner cost 1 Billion dollars to keep? Simply because that's what they were bid up to! So quite evidently there is a spare Billion in Toshiba's petty cash pile :-)

Remember these guys (Toshiba) build nuclear reactors and weapons in their 'spare time' ;-)

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Originally Posted by dsa_shea View Post

Get over it and move on.

The war has officially JUST BEGUN :-p
post #30 of 64
1/6/08 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by whitestang06 View Post

Any future BD players from Toshiba will almost certainly retain HD DVD playback capability. Others will probably show up as well, at least from Samsung.

Given the overall small number of HD DVD players sold I would say its anything but certain that Toshiba would release combo players.
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