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post #151 of 5058
From what I have read, TI does have full 1080P (non-wobulated) DMD chips in professional AV products (3 chip comercial theater projectors); however, they have not developed these in consumer products because the manufactures (Toshiba, Mitsubishi, Samsung) have not stated a demand for them.

As for DC4 I believe it is still wobulated. "The mirror tilt ratios are the same as DarkChip3".
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post #152 of 5058
has anyone heard anymore news on the nnew sammy's?
post #153 of 5058
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

Some more tidbits regarding Texas Instruments and their continued support of DLP technology in 2008 Samsung models.

TI Demonstrates 3D TV at CES

"The electronics giant said that its DLP chips represent a step forward for 3D video because of their fast switching speeds. Unlike competing technologies, which reportedly measure their switching speeds in milliseconds, DLP features switching speeds in the microseconds, TI engineers said. ...

JohnAV: I think DesignNews.com changed the link you cite above.

The article can now be found at the following URL:

TI Demonstrates 3D TV at CES
http://www.designnews.com/article/CA6517938.html

Avio
post #154 of 5058
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JohnAV: I think DesignNews.com changed the link you cite above.

The article can now be found at the following URL:

TI Demonstrates 3D TV at CES
http://www.designnews.com/article/CA6517938.html

Avio

Thanks, updated previous message. Found a another CES story from hometoys.com about Luminus and Texas Instruments joining forces.

"Among the prototypes being demonstrated at the DLP products booth at CES (Central Hall, Booth #8205) is a slim DLP HDTV illuminated using PhlatLight LED technology. The DLP TV, features a contrast ratio beyond 500,000:1, is ultra light and thin for easy wall mounting and due to the increased brightness, can use new screen technology doubling the viewing angle to match viewing angles of other flat screen technology.

“Our continual improvements in brightness have opened up a new realm of display product categories previously thought impossible with conventional LEDs,” said Christian Hoepfner, vice president of products at Luminus Devices, Inc. “With the brightness levels we’ve reached with TI so far, we’re on track to break the one thousand lumen mark this year with a front projector. This achievement marks a significant breakthrough, not only in terms of performance, but also in the creation of exciting new large screen HDTVs and home theater projectors.”

Displays illuminated by PhlatLight produce a forty percent wider color gamut than the NTSC standard without the need for a color wheel. PhlatLight’s unique ability to create pure, primary colors that are sequentially pulsed at speeds up to 48 times the traditional television frame rate, produces stable, accurate colors, and a smooth picture, with superior motion quality. PhlatLight LEDs offer significantly longer lifetimes than arc lamps used in most microdisplays, to deliver a consistent picture without fading. Since lamp warm-up time is unnecessary, the picture appears instantly at full brightness. PhlatLight-illuminated DLP TVs are also more environmentally friendly because they consume one third the energy of comparably sized flat panel TVs and eliminate the conventional lamp that requires repeated replacement during the lifetime of the TV."
post #155 of 5058
whats 'cross talk'? Also i think more and more movies will be in 3D because the new Toy Story movie will be in 3-D!!!
post #156 of 5058
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whats 'cross talk'? Also i think more and more movies will be in 3D because the new Toy Story movie will be in 3-D!!!

Well the newer DLP-based sets from Mitsubishi and Samsung are all set for watching 3D movies, now its up to the studios to offer enough content for most consumer to take the plunge. $200 for a stereoscopic adapter and LCD shutter glasses is not much to spend for the AV enthusiast. Of course this would upset a lot of people with brand new HDTV displays that are not 3D capable. I see that in 2008 we will see our first 3D plasma and LCD flat panels. Here's hoping that U2-3D and Toy story start a new trend!
post #157 of 5058
Well, Im subbing to this thread. Im planning on a new tv in July and the current 61" LED DLP appears to be a very nice set on the BBuy floor. Hoping the new models coming soon improve on the 2007's. If so, Ill be the proud owner of a new 61". If not, Might go with the 50" Plasma. Would rather have the added size of the DLP.
post #158 of 5058
I have the same thought process.. I'd rather have 61 inch DLP than 50 inch plasma for the same money..
My speakers and stand take up space.. Going flat makes no sense to me..
post #159 of 5058
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I have the same thought process.. I'd rather have 61 inch DLP than 50 inch plasma for the same money..
My speakers and stand take up space.. Going flat makes no sense to me..


Im gonna sit fast and just see how it unfolds. I think Im down to the 61" Sammy when the new line comes out, or a Mitsu 57833. All depends on what kinds of deals each one has around July.
post #160 of 5058
Wow...I didn't know about this 3D technology. Which, considering my background (I loved virtual technology and 3D concepts), I should of been on top of this.

My girlfriend and I are planning on getting a house by this time next year, and these new Samsung sets sound impressive to say the least. I'm an LCD guy, but considering the cost to size ratio (and the other features, i.e. 3D), I will make an exception for these.

Now, to be clear, the content / programming still has to be designed for the 3D technology, correct? Is there a list of current and/or upcoming content?

I was going to go with the 61", but if there is enough content, I might decide to go all the way for the 67".
post #161 of 5058
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Wow...I didn't know about this 3D technology. Which, considering my background (I loved virtual technology and 3D concepts), I should of been on top of this.

My girlfriend and I are planning on getting a house by this time next year, and these new Samsung sets sound impressive to say the least. I'm an LCD guy, but considering the cost to size ratio (and the other features, i.e. 3D), I will make an exception for these.

Now, to be clear, the content / programming still has to be designed for the 3D technology, correct? Is there a list of current and/or upcoming content?

I was going to go with the 61", but if there is enough content, I might decide to go all the way for the 67".

Actually, the current 3-D kits require a PC DVI connection, I believe from an HTPC. There has been at least one written report that says, using an HTPC with the software, it will generate a 3-D image from any 2-D source. The 3-D effect won't be as convincing as from dedicated 3-D material, but it'll still be more 3-D than 2-D!
post #162 of 5058
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Actually, the current 3-D kits require a PC DVI connection, I believe from an HTPC. There has been at least one written report that says, using an HTPC with the software, it will generate a 3-D image from any 2-D source. The 3-D effect won't be as convincing as from dedicated 3-D material, but it'll still be more 3-D than 2-D!

I'm rather curious to how good the 3-D imagery will be for in-home displays using active 3-D glasses. The DLP folks created this page on Digital 3D.
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post #165 of 5058
I'm going to post three more pictures of the 67" LED Samsung, but before I do I wanted to personally thank Steve Panosian, Digital Projection Marketing Director for Samsung, for taking the time to talk to me about these sets and allowing a few pictures to be taken of them.

This is the fifth year I've attended CES, and you've no idea of some of the attitudes you get walking around asking questions and taking pictures--one of the reasons CES can be tiring mentally and physically.

He didn't have to talk to a small-time consultant, but he did--and for that I am very grateful.
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post #166 of 5058
thank u so much!!
post #167 of 5058
No problem at all. I don't know if you can see it very well, but the blurred picture on the adjacent set is due to the 3D demonstration, which was also running at the TI booth.

I was told the 67" set would retail for $3000.
post #168 of 5058
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No problem at all. I don't know if you can see it very well, but the blurred picture on the adjacent set is due to the 3D demonstration, which was also running at the TI booth.

I was told the 67" set would retail for $3000.

Thanks for the pics. Did they mention exactly when they would be rolling out the 08 models?
post #169 of 5058
I was told they should be out by April.
post #170 of 5058
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Thanks for the pics. Did they mention exactly when they would be rolling out the 08 models?

Welcome Ivan244. If you check first post on page 1 of this topic it has as much information as we currently know about the HLxxA650/A70 series with the release dates mentioned by Samsung.

Thanks for the pictures TetsujinWave!
post #171 of 5058
man that tv looks gorgeous. thanks for the pics man. this is info i have been needing. also on a personal one on one with the tv how was the pic. quality ,and did you notice any sse? just curious. also thanks again for the info.
post #172 of 5058
thanks for the pics.. looks nice ! (If I can just force myself to wait). Did you happen to ask if they've fixed the possibility of bowing that has plagued some of the older thin bezel sets ?
post #173 of 5058
Im looking forward to seeing how these sets look. Gonna be a tough decision on what tv to buy this summer.
post #174 of 5058
The LED had excellent PQ. There was still some SSE, but it looked reduced compared to last year's models.

At CES, one thing was very obvious concerning television technologies--many people are looking past rear-projection televisions and buying plasma or LCD flat panels. This is also true of a lot of consumer electronics manufacturers, who see higher profit margins with flatscreens as opposed to RPTV's.

TI had to go out of its way to show the value of projection systems, and was (IMHO) very successful through new applications like 3D, dualview, and mini-projectors. RPTV's still offer excellent value and PQ to consumers, and it will be interesting to see if they can hold (or even grow) their market share thanks to these innovations.
post #175 of 5058
So if the 67" is $3000, will they have the 61" 1080p close to two and a half?
post #176 of 5058
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So if the 67" is $3000, will they have a 57" 1080p close to two?

As far as we know the LED sets will only be sold in two sizes, 61 and 67. At least that's one way to read their rather ambiguous press release (see the beginning of this thread). Smaller sizes look like they might be hot lamp and color wheel. We should have more precise information on the Samsung website by April.
post #177 of 5058
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So if the 67" is $3000, will they have the 61" 1080p close to two and a half?

And how about the 72"?
post #178 of 5058
72 is not LED.


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And how about the 72"?
post #179 of 5058
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As far as we know the LED sets will only be sold in two sizes, 61 and 67. At least that's one way to read their rather ambiguous press release (see the beginning of this thread). Smaller sizes look like they might be hot lamp and color wheel. We should have more precise information on the Samsung website by April.


Yeah, I noticed I goofed and changed the original post.

61" would be my baby of choice if I go the LED DLP route.

The current LED DLP Sammy in BBuy does not look bad, so if they improve it oughta be a great tv.
post #180 of 5058
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Originally Posted by slamduncan View Post

thanks for the pics.. looks nice ! (If I can just force myself to wait). Did you happen to ask if they've fixed the possibility of bowing that has plagued some of the older thin bezel sets ?

There weren't any noticeable geometry errors on the DLP sets at the Samsung booth, but I wouldn't expect them to. The true test will happen when they reach production.

I generally do not ask about flaws in the models that are being replaced. First, the majority of representatives (at most consumer electronics companies, not just Samsung) tend to be PR based, and are not engineers. As such, they might not be aware of an issue and not inclined to comment on it if they are. Second, it antagonizes the reps and makes them less likely give you good information (or future interviews). Lastly, they are there to sell the new models, not the old ones.
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