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post #3631 of 5055
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

Back on page 78 are some. There may be more. Searching the thread for "reflection" brings up a bunch of hits.

Found some on there and around that page, many thanks!
post #3632 of 5055
Just thought Id post up my impression of my new TV, an HL56A650. Have had it since earlier today, and so far Im super impressed. I was going for the 50'' since I have a small room to put this in, but none of the local stores had the 50'' in stock, so it was $100 more for the 56''. Got it home for only $1525 after tax. Really good picture, lots of great features, and Im pretty pleased with the speakers. Ive heard a lot of people complain about them. They arent GREAT, but they do a fair job once you play with the audio settings and equalizer. Like all HD TV's, without an HD signal, the standard channels look a bit poor, but still no worse than any other TV Ive seen hooked up to the same source. It looks GREAT with my PS3 though, games look amazing. Plan on watching my first Blu-Ray tomarrow to try it out further. Overall Id give this TV a:

9.5/10 Picture
8.5/10 Sound
8.0/10 Features
9.0/10 Overall

Great TV for a low price. Budget HD at its best, and its HUGE! I cant see ever needing something 70''+ unless you had a huge room for it. This thing takes up nearly half of my wall
post #3633 of 5055
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Originally Posted by VinnieVol View Post

Those of you who already have or are planning on getting the 67"... what is your viewing distance like? I really, really want the 67" and have been looking forward to it for some time. But my wife keeps telling me that she's afraid it will be too big for our living room and that the 61" might be the answer.

But what kinds of distances are you 67" owners using them at, and do you have any regrets wihth going with the 67" as opposed to the 61"?


I'm sitting about 9-10ft away from my 67"... I measured 8ft at one point that was before I finalized my setup and pushed the stand back towards the wall. Looks great from my view point... no screen door effect... and VERY mild SSE (if I look for it).
post #3634 of 5055
Well, I'm back home. Took a bit before I could mess around with it due to the phone ringing nonstop (including an aggressive telemarketer that actually called back after I told him I'm on the national do-not-call list and hung up on him ). Here's what I found:

- PQ was amazing out of the box, but holy frack is it even better after some tweaking. I'm using the recommended settings in the FAQ thread. I tried StevenZ's settings, but at the moment (might just be what I'm watching) I'm liking the slightly over-saturated look mike_pro has in the FAQ.
- I measured the vertical geometry issue I noticed: 3/16 of an inch. I think that's ok, as I don't notice it unless the test pattern is on, even if I'm looking for it and there's strait vertical lines.
- Reflection issue on the top black bar, when the video has those bars, is indeed there, but I barely notice it. I don't think it'll be an issue.
- I was seeing some wierd crease like things on the screen when it was pitch black, but in all honesty I'm not sure if it's the screen or some kind of reflection yet. If it's the TV, I'll update.

I'd post some pictures, but I don't think there's any need since I don't have any issues to show and my room's a mess (still moving in and there's boxes stacked all around the TV)...unless people want any, then I will.

I just ordered DirectTV. I was waiting for the TV to get here before I got that. This TV rocks, I can't wait to see some real HD content on it!

BTW: If anybody saw recommended XBox via HDMI settings, please point me there. In the FAQ thread, it's still listed as "This section still in progress", and looks like it's being tested with component (though I don't know if that makes a difference, hooking it up via component as opposed to HDMI).
post #3635 of 5055
Black Bar Relfection/Bleeding question...

I turned my "front circle light" to be on when the TV is off... I was sleeping on the couch when I woke up with a dark room and noticed I had a "glow" coming from the screen... it was from the circle light being on (tested on and off). The glow covered the bottom 1/4 of the screen. I then noticed that when I stood up from the couch, the glow disappeared. Bend down I can see it, stand up it's gone.

It didn't hit me until now (I'm at work and can't test).... does the black bar reflection disappear if you stand higher than the screen?... maybe if you take a chair and stand higher?

If it does go away.... I wonder something even crazier... could opening the case, removing the screen and turning the the screen 180 fix the issue? It seems that it has to do with how the light bends through the screen and I just wonder if it we flipped the screen if we'd fix the problem?

...Just "typing" out loud and seeing what everyone thinks.
post #3636 of 5055
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Originally Posted by JPOnion View Post


BTW: If anybody saw recommended XBox via HDMI settings, please point me there. In the FAQ thread, it's still listed as "This section still in progress", and looks like it's being tested with component (though I don't know if that makes a difference, hooking it up via component as opposed to HDMI).


I don't know about any "settings"... but keep in mind that the TV will only pass 2 channel audio via the optical out if you plug in through HDMI. I have my 360 plugged into my AVR via HDMI so I don't have the problem. Not sure if the TV passes 5.1 audio from other sources... or if all inputs are locked down (minus OTA/Cable/Sat signals of course)

... any chance we can get someone to work on the Firmware of these sets and hack us a fix to allow 5.1 digital audio out of the TV?... seems pointless to me to have 3 HDMI inputs, but then no pass 5.1 audio to an AVR.
post #3637 of 5055
Has anyone performed any comparisons of picture quality when using external video processing from an AV receiver, such as the Onkyo TX-SR875, which uses the Reon HQV processor for upscaling and de-interlacing to the Samsung's native 1080p resolution?

I've been testing the SR875, trying to improve PQ of SD 480i source content. Though I do see a modest improvement in the upscaling of SD content, I have experienced an 11-second "looking for signals", message from the Samsung A750 when changing channels that have different source resolutions (480i, 720p and 1080).

Does anyone prefer using the scaler/de-interlacer built into the Samsung 650/750s versus VP via a "high performance" AV receiver? Has anyone had the "looking for signals" message when changing cable/sat channels that have different source resolutions?

Thanks in advance for your input.
post #3638 of 5055
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

OK, very informative, thanks. I've only noticed the "Ship from and sold by" as Amazon. This is the first I've seen it as 6th Ave. And you're right: the 67" is listed as $2499 on their own website, while $2294 (-8%) on Amazon's. You also can select a "sold by Amazon" on the right, but that's only 6% off.

So if you opt for a seller such as 6th Ave. through Amazon, does that mean for any problems that might arise, you would have to deal with 6th Ave.? Or would Amazon still be the contact?

My guess is that you would contact Amazon first, but I have no first-hand experience with this and I'm not sure how that all works. Obviously whatever agreement these companies have with Amazon has them selling items for less than the price they sell directly from their own websites.

Amazon has their own name on the line in these transactions, so I assume that they have a vested interest in how their clients handle problems. If you have a problem and can go through Amazon to address it, you may have a little more leverage with the company that sold the product.
post #3639 of 5055
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Originally Posted by VinnieVol View Post

Those of you who already have or are planning on getting the 67"... what is your viewing distance like? I really, really want the 67" and have been looking forward to it for some time. But my wife keeps telling me that she's afraid it will be too big for our living room and that the 61" might be the answer.

But what kinds of distances are you 67" owners using them at, and do you have any regrets wihth going with the 67" as opposed to the 61"?

I don't understand this whole issue people have with viewing distance. You don't look at life through a little rectangle out in front of you. You have to turn your head to take it all in!

Your TV should be the same...
post #3640 of 5055
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Originally Posted by Triple-X View Post

in regards to the bowing and geometry issues, some say they have issues, Many say they do not.
Maybe EVERYONE has issues, and MOST dont notice

I mean what is the definitive answer here as far as why we get some units with geometry issues? if its not just the poor/flimsy case design and lack of internal bracing to prevent screen sway, then what else is it?
i discuss in depth my experience thus far with my hl61a750 in THIS THREAD

Again, this has been a Samsung DLP issue since day 1. I have the original DLP with a sturdy casing. I went through 2 or 3 of them. The geometry wasn't the same on any of them. I've been through 2 HL61A750, geometry/focus different on both. There are a lot of parts in these things in the image path. They don't have the quality control down to where each one rolling off the assembly line is exactly the same, and obviously at this point don't care to try.

Its still pretty simple, if you don't want to deal with geometry/focus issues, and potentially go through numerous sets, you're better off with plasma or LCD. I don't care how picky or not picky you are, you have the potential to get a set with major geometry or focus issues. If the people that claim to not care got all the sets with the major issues, this wouldn't be talked about so much maybe
post #3641 of 5055
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Originally Posted by AdamWL View Post

Has anyone performed any comparisons of picture quality when using external video processing from an AV receiver, such as the Onkyo TX-SR875, which uses the Reon HQV processor for upscaling and de-interlacing to the Samsung's native 1080p resolution?

...Does anyone prefer using the scaler/de-interlacer built into the Samsung 650/750s versus VP via a "high performance" AV receiver? Has anyone had the "looking for signals" message when changing cable/sat channels that have different source resolutions?

Thanks in advance for your input.

I prefer to use the scaler in the 61A750. See my post #3432.
post #3642 of 5055
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Originally Posted by Samsung-Guy View Post

Just thought Id post up my impression of my new TV, an HL56A650.

Samsung-Guy... Just curious. What is the firmware version in your set? All I need are the numbers at the end of the first set of letters that start with "T-CTNAUSC-." I have seen 1001.2 and 1003.1.

Thanks.

(If you are not aware of the procedure for viewing firmware version... Using the remote, press menu, scroll to "Setup," press "Enter," scroll to "SW Upgrade" and press "INFO." The firmware info will appear at the bottom of the screen.)
post #3643 of 5055
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Originally Posted by jsvickers View Post

I don't understand this whole issue people have with viewing distance. You don't look at life through a little rectangle out in front of you. You have to turn your head to take it all in!

Your TV should be the same...

It's really just a matter of preference I suppose. I have friends who have an older 61" Sammy bulb unit and love it at a distance of 8 ft., and I know people who still view a 27" screen at 20 ft.

Before I moved out of my old apt. I had my 39" tube set in my bedroom and it was honestly too big. But that whole set is just huge period, I still can't get over the size of tube sets when you compare them to these slim DLP units (let alone plasma and lcd). I also know that 1080p changes the "formula" for optimal viewing distance.

But my gut is telling me, "screw it, you only live once.. get the 67" and enjoy!" We'll see. I'm in the process of new home construction so the room that this tv will go in doesn't actually even exist yet.. I know the dimensions of the room but I don't really have a feel for how the viewing area will be set up.
post #3644 of 5055
For those who have the 67A750, what height stand makes sense ?

I'm hoping that 20 inches or so plus the base height of the tv is the right height, can anyone who has the 67 inch comment ?

here's the one I'm thinking of.. going for 'light/airy' since tv is not..

http://www.bushfurniturecentral.com/...03-BU2096.html

its the Bush VS44850 if the link doesn't work

I'd love a nice sanus wood stand but 1000 bucks for a stand (I'm in canada) is a bit much

thanks
post #3645 of 5055
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

OK, very informative, thanks. I've only noticed the "Ship from and sold by" as Amazon. This is the first I've seen it as 6th Ave. And you're right: the 67" is listed as $2499 on their own website, while $2294 (-8%) on Amazon's. You also can select a "sold by Amazon" on the right, but that's only 6% off.

So if you opt for a seller such as 6th Ave. through Amazon, does that mean for any problems that might arise, you would have to deal with 6th Ave.? Or would Amazon still be the contact?

If it's not shipped and sold by Amazon, they are basically just selling you the item from a 3rd party, like 6ave.com, and have nothing to do with it. If you read amazon's policy, they basically have nothing to do with the item, you are buying it from the 3rd party and are subject to their policies, so read the 3rd party seller's policies to be sure they are OK for you.

FWIW I bought a Pioneer Plasma from 6ave, and it was a good experience, but they do have different policies than amazon, so read them first.
post #3646 of 5055
Picked up a new HL61A750 from Circuit City for $1899.99 and absolutely love it. I was originally wanting the 63" Sammy plasma, but because of the amount of light I have in my viewing area, and the fact that the picture on the 61A750 was just SO good that I couldn't bring myself to pay the extra $4,000 for the plasma. I was able to buy the tv, tv stand, AND a set of two fronts + center Bowers & Wilkins series 703 speakers all for the price of just the plasma by itself. :P

So I picked up the new tv, brought it home, and had to bring it right back....
At first glance, the tv was perfect. I was watching "Cars" on Blu-Ray when I noticed a black spot toward the bottom of the screen. It looked like a small group of pixels or something that were completely out and, of course, my eyes were drawn to this black dot staring at me in the middle of all these super bright, brilliant colors.

I packed it back up and swapped it out, now I have no issues. The second tv came out of a new shipment, not sure of the firmware version, but it was actually delivered to CC yesterday morning. This is perfect thought, no black dots and absolutely amazing picture. I just can't say enough about this tv.

I DO have a question though. I don't understand what it means when you guys are talking about 1080p @ x amount of Hz. In reference to the frequency spec (24Hz, 60Hz, 120Hz, etc.), is more better??

I am asking because I am using my PS3 as my dvd player, have it hooked up with a Monster Cable HDMI, and when the main PS3 menu is being displayed, I hit the info button on my tv remote and it says that the picture is being displayed in 1080p @60Hz, yet when I play a Blu-Ray movie (like Cars), it reduces down to 1080p @ 24Hz. Why? What's happening, and is this supposed to happen?? I thought this tv supported 1080p @ 120Hz?
post #3647 of 5055
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Originally Posted by slamduncan View Post

For those who have the 67A750, what height stand makes sense ?

I'm hoping that 20 inches or so plus the base height of the tv is the right height, can anyone who has the 67 inch comment ?

here's the one I'm thinking of.. going for 'light/airy' since tv is not..

http://www.bushfurniturecentral.com/...03-BU2096.html

its the Bush VS44850 if the link doesn't work

I'd love a nice sanus wood stand but 1000 bucks for a stand (I'm in canada) is a bit much

thanks

First figure out what your eye level is when sitting down.

As for the TV, and this based on calculations and a few assumptions, the edges on the side are 1.2". This is based on a 58.4" wide screen, calcualted using the 15:9 ration. The set is listed as 60.*' wide, that means each side is 1.2" (cabinet). Assume top is the same size, fair assumption.

The screen height is 32.85", so the bottom par tof cabinet is 6.25". So that puts the center of the screen at about 22.7", so with a 20" stand you are at 42.7" for the center of the screen.

See how this compares with your eye level when sitting.

Hope that helps.
post #3648 of 5055
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Originally Posted by JDookie View Post

Picked up a new HL61A750 from Circuit City for $1899.99 and absolutely love it. I was originally wanting the 63" Sammy plasma, but because of the amount of light I have in my viewing area, and the fact that the picture on the 61A750 was just SO good that I couldn't bring myself to pay the extra $4,000 for the plasma. I was able to buy the tv, tv stand, AND a set of two fronts + center Bowers & Wilkins series 703 speakers all for the price of just the plasma by itself. :P

So I picked up the new tv, brought it home, and had to bring it right back....
At first glance, the tv was perfect. I was watching "Cars" on Blu-Ray when I noticed a black spot toward the bottom of the screen. It looked like a small group of pixels or something that were completely out and, of course, my eyes were drawn to this black dot staring at me in the middle of all these super bright, brilliant colors.

I packed it back up and swapped it out, now I have no issues. The second tv came out of a new shipment, not sure of the firmware version, but it was actually delivered to CC yesterday morning. This is perfect thought, no black dots and absolutely amazing picture. I just can't say enough about this tv.

I DO have a question though. I don't understand what it means when you guys are talking about 1080p @ x amount of Hz. In reference to the frequency spec (24Hz, 60Hz, 120Hz, etc.), is more better??

I am asking because I am using my PS3 as my dvd player, have it hooked up with a Monster Cable HDMI, and when the main PS3 menu is being displayed, I hit the info button on my tv remote and it says that the picture is being displayed in 1080p @60Hz, yet when I play a Blu-Ray movie (like Cars), it reduces down to 1080p @ 24Hz. Why? What's happening, and is this supposed to happen?? I thought this tv supported 1080p @ 120Hz?

My understanding is that he Hz displayed on the TV are showing the refresh rate of the source, not the TV. Movies are 24Hz (because of an old standard). Most TVs dispaly in 60Hz, the problem is that there is no direct multiple of 24 that gets you to 60, so there are fillers introduced. 120 is a direct multiple of 24 and thus you get a better experience on movies.

Again, that's only the way I've understood it so far from readin these forums and other sites.
post #3649 of 5055
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Originally Posted by NDRugby View Post

My understanding is that he Hz displayed on the TV are showing the refresh rate of the source, not the TV. Movies are 24Hz (because of an old standard). Most TVs dispaly in 60Hz, the problem is that there is no direct multiple of 24 that gets you to 60, so there are fillers introduced. 120 is a direct multiple of 24 and thus you get a better experience on movies.

Again, that's only the way I've understood it so far from readin these forums and other sites.

Excellent response. I was about to post my 5-paragraph response when I saw yours, which is directly on point.
post #3650 of 5055
Thank you for the fast responses, I appreciate it.

So, you say that 120 is a direct multiple of 24 which would produce a better picture for movies. If the A750 is 120Hz capable, why isn't it playing high def movies at 120Hz?
post #3651 of 5055
The movie is actually sent at 24Hz, and since the TV is capable of showing 120Hz, it shows each frame 5 times in a row from the 24Hz source.

If you had a 60Hz TV, it would show the same frame 2 times, then the next frame is drawn 3 times, then the next frame is drawn 2 times, then the next is drawn 2 times, etc.

The source is always sent at 24Hz, it's whether or not the tv can show it exactly as it should be shown. For a 120Hz TV, it draws each frame 5 times before it goes to the next frame.
post #3652 of 5055
Thanks NDRugby... most appreciated.

sd
post #3653 of 5055
looks like something useful to add to the faq (if its not already there)

its already in there

post #3654 of 5055
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Originally Posted by ZBoomer View Post

If it's not shipped and sold by Amazon, they are basically just selling you the item from a 3rd party, like 6ave.com, and have nothing to do with it. If you read amazon's policy, they basically have nothing to do with the item, you are buying it from the 3rd party and are subject to their policies, so read the 3rd party seller's policies to be sure they are OK for you.

FWIW I bought a Pioneer Plasma from 6ave, and it was a good experience, but they do have different policies than amazon, so read them first.

At the moment, you can select the TV to be shipped from Amazon as well as 6th Ave (6% off vs. 8%), and there are apparent differences which reflect what you say. There's no mention of White Glove delivery when buying it from 6th Ave., but if you select one that is shipped by Amazon, there is, but apparently it's not free (unless there's a free option available when you checkout).

I still think I would like to deal directly with Amazon, but, for the record, how was your plasma shipped from 6th Ave.?
post #3655 of 5055
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Originally Posted by turls View Post

Again, this has been a Samsung DLP issue since day 1. I have the original DLP with a sturdy casing. I went through 2 or 3 of them. The geometry wasn't the same on any of them. I've been through 2 HL61A750, geometry/focus different on both. There are a lot of parts in these things in the image path. They don't have the quality control down to where each one rolling off the assembly line is exactly the same, and obviously at this point don't care to try.

Its still pretty simple, if you don't want to deal with geometry/focus issues, and potentially go through numerous sets, you're better off with plasma or LCD. I don't care how picky or not picky you are, you have the potential to get a set with major geometry or focus issues. If the people that claim to not care got all the sets with the major issues, this wouldn't be talked about so much maybe

point well taken. however it still annoys me to think how a little bit of R&D dollars at samsung could fix this cabinet/case issue and reduce if not eliminate the screen sway causing the geometry issues.
I mean you would think the returns alone would affect their bottom line enough for them to voluntarily make the R&D investment into fixing the design flaws in what could be an outstanding product!
post #3656 of 5055
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Originally Posted by JPOnion View Post

Well, I'm back home. Took a bit before I could mess around with it due to the phone ringing nonstop (including an aggressive telemarketer that actually called back after I told him I'm on the national do-not-call list and hung up on him ). Here's what I found:

- PQ was amazing out of the box, but holy frack is it even better after some tweaking. I'm using the recommended settings in the FAQ thread. I tried StevenZ's settings, but at the moment (might just be what I'm watching) I'm liking the slightly over-saturated look mike_pro has in the FAQ.
- I measured the vertical geometry issue I noticed: 3/16 of an inch. I think that's ok, as I don't notice it unless the test pattern is on, even if I'm looking for it and there's strait vertical lines.
- Reflection issue on the top black bar, when the video has those bars, is indeed there, but I barely notice it. I don't think it'll be an issue.
- I was seeing some wierd crease like things on the screen when it was pitch black, but in all honesty I'm not sure if it's the screen or some kind of reflection yet. If it's the TV, I'll update.

ya know it seems to me if we so much as had a TILT adjustment in either the options menu or the service menu to offset the counterclockwise 3/16th to 5/16th issue, we would be good to go.i thought i remembered reading somewhere on this and the owners thread about one, but did not see anything other than up, down , left and right adjustments thus far.
After reading your thread above and further testing on my set last night, I'm finding the EXACT same outcome. mine also appears to be about 3/16th to 5/16ths off and is mostly noticeable at the bottom/left and top/right. again , slightly moving the edge of the screen appears to have the ability to correct this, but i cant seem to get it to stay in the correct position once i stop playing with the sway.
but at the same time i agree that it will only be seen on something that has lines, or a grid, etc and wont likely bother me since that doesnt happen that often. but i do know that when it does happen and i notice it I will be like ARGGG!
otherwise.. this tv has an unbelievable PQ. I couldnt believe how bright it was.
im about to post my test results in the owners thread, but wanted to jump over to this one first to reply to you.
post #3657 of 5055
I just bought the Mack warranty. On the page it says:

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Q: Can I buy my TV from anywhere, and then get a Mack Warranty from TapeWorks Texas?
A: Yes, as long as your unit has a manufacturer's warranty to begin with, and you have a receipt with the model number, pricing, date, etc.

but in the ordering process it never asked for any of that. Will they only check this information if I need to actually use the warranty, or are they going to ask me to send this information in soon? I've got a printout of my Amazon invoice, I'm assuming that's good enough.

EDIT: Triple-X, once again you reply while I'm posting (I'm a slow typer sometimes) You're right, a tilt adjustment would be excellent as this would go a long way to helping the flimsy cabinent design. If they know the cabinent is going to bend / not always be dead accurate, why not find a way to adjust the tilt ever so slightly? I don't remember what I was doing at the time, but I do know I ran into a position screen that let me move the picture around vertically and horizontally...
Looking forward to test results. Anything that can help me get the best PQ out of this set
post #3658 of 5055
what is the warranty that comes with the 61 and 67 from samsung?
post #3659 of 5055
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Originally Posted by bruce73 View Post

At the moment, you can select the TV to be shipped from Amazon as well as 6th Ave (6% off vs. 8%), and there are apparent differences which reflect what you say. There's no mention of White Glove delivery when buying it from 6th Ave., but if you select one that is shipped by Amazon, there is, but apparently it's not free (unless there's a free option available when you checkout).

I still think I would like to deal directly with Amazon, but, for the record, how was your plasma shipped from 6th Ave.?

On my TV, they offered free shipping with "curb" delivery, not "white glove." I believe for an extra $50 they offer in-home delivery, then for like $100 they have "white glove" where two guys deliver it, take it out of box, make sure it works, and remove the packing material, etc. (I'm not sure on that, you can view the options on the web site.)

What I did is stick with free shipping, then tossed the delivery guy a $20 when he got there. For that he brought my TV inside by himself, helped me unbox it, and make sure it didn't have damage and was not DOA (it was good.)

So I got "gray glove" delivery for $20.

I ordered it on Friday morning, and the next Friday afternoon they delivered it, New Jersey to TX. It actually got to TX a day earlier, but they had to call me, schedule a delivery, etc.

BTW, there is a 6% off internet coupon for 6ave.com, you can find it in google. If you are going to buy something via amazon and 3rd party (not "sold by amazon"), I say why bother, just go directly to the vendor.

I think "sold by amazon" pretty much is best though, they have an awesome return policy. That said, my experience with 6ave.com was good, and it appears their feedback rating is high.
post #3660 of 5055
I got my 56A650 a few days ago, and it's beautiful. Only problem I have with it is a bowing at the top half of the screen, which is about a 1/8th off from side of the screen to the center. The bottom half and the sides look fine. Is there anything I can do to fix this, or do I have to call Samsung for a repairman?
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