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post #61 of 5058
I wonder why...
Maybe specs can change by the time they are shipped.. Maybe they are not ready for production and specs havent been finalized? Maybe they dont have the cool technology we all looking for (DC4, 240 hz)
post #62 of 5058
So does the 2007 line have the Darkchip 4 or Not?
post #63 of 5058
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Originally Posted by ChuvaKuhn View Post

Let me get this straight, Samsung announced the 2008 LED DLPs without detailed specs and their CES booth didn't showcase any of the the sets displaying contents? Did any show attendees ask the booth staff for details of the new sets?

The Samsung reps were very vague about specifics, but I was told that improvements to the LEDs resulted in a contrast ratio improvement over last years models. They weren't too keen on pictures either, but I'm glad they allowed me to snap a few. I just wish they'd turned out better.
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post #64 of 5058
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Originally Posted by Jamers View Post

So does the 2007 line have the Darkchip 4 or Not?

The 2007 line uses the DarkChip3 processor. I said earlier that Samsung refuses to divulge what their specs on new series 6 and series displays when asked at CES 2008 booth, So I hope they use the DarkChip 4 in new models.

BTW TetsujinWave, great pictures of the new models, considering that little sign under the 67"!
post #65 of 5058
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

The 2007 line uses the DarkChip3 processor. I said earlier that Samsung refuses to divulge what their specs on new series 6 and series displays when asked at CES 2008 booth, so DarkChip 4 I hope so.

I was told the same thing at the booth...I hope they would reconsider using the DarkChip4 processor.

Edited to add--I'm really sorry about how dark the pictures came out--working with a new camera, and was not allowed to retake shots with my old one when I returned later. I am very grateful for the opportunity to take them and the time the reps took to talk with me about them.
post #66 of 5058
what was PQ like, JohnAV or TetsujinWave or anyone else who attended? thanks for the photos
post #67 of 5058
Yes, thanks for the photos TetsujinWave. These are the first pictures of the 2008 units I have seen that are taken by a CES attendee. So they did display contents on these new models. The PQ on the last picture look the best, but it could be just the correct scene and the good exposure of the shot. Personally, I'm waiting for the 67-inch LED model, unless the Mitsubishi Laser can come close in the pricing and arrive sooner than next Black Friday. What's your opinion on the PQ of the 67-inch display?
post #68 of 5058
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Originally Posted by TetsujinWave View Post

...They weren't too keen on pictures either, but I'm glad they allowed me to snap a few....

The impression I get from the 67 is that the side angle image looks quite bright compared to the 2007 LED models.
post #69 of 5058
I thought the PQ on both displays was excellent. As I'm rainbow-prone, I prefer the 67" LED personally.

I would not try to evaluate PQ from the pictures, because I didn't get the results I wanted from them--and that was my fault.
post #70 of 5058
wow...sounds good, looks like the 67" will be the hit, however I am still hopefull they implement the LED tecgnonoly in the 72"
post #71 of 5058
So what's with the Darkchip 3 and 4 side by side comparison shot in the first post of this thread? I'm assuming that was snapped at CES 2008. Why have a big poster board promoting Darkchip 4 if it wasn't going to be use in the 2008 line? Hell, there it is right there. Is that a protoype or does it have a model number on it?
post #72 of 5058
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Originally posted by Jamers:
So what's with the Darkchip 3 and 4 side by side comparison shot in the first post of this thread? I'm assuming that was snapped at CES 2008. Why have a big poster board promoting Darkchip 4 if it wasn't going to be use in the 2008 line? Hell, there it is right there. Is that a protoype or does it have a model number on it?

My guess is TI knows the RPTV market is shrinking and they didn't want to go without a display at all, even if a year away. DLP made such great enhancements in previous years. They seam to have really slowed down.
post #73 of 5058
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jamers View Post

So what's with the Darkchip 3 and 4 side by side comparison shot in the first post of this thread? I'm assuming that was snapped at CES 2008. Why have a big poster board promoting Darkchip 4 if it wasn't going to be use in the 2008 line? Hell, there it is right there. Is that a protoype or does it have a model number on it?

They were simply demoing the Darkchip 4 that will be used in future DLP models. Nobody said what processors are going to be used in new models from Samsung or Mitsubishi. BTW DLP models get announced through the year, not just at CES. Your only seeing working DLP display prototypes with new processor inside.
post #74 of 5058
The prototype was @ DLP booth, not Samsung.
It did look exactly the same (dimensions, etc) as 6187..

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Originally Posted by Jamers View Post

So what's with the Darkchip 3 and 4 side by side comparison shot in the first post of this thread? I'm assuming that was snapped at CES 2008. Why have a big poster board promoting Darkchip 4 if it wasn't going to be use in the 2008 line? Hell, there it is right there. Is that a protoype or does it have a model number on it?
post #75 of 5058
those pics look great. i cant wait to see these tv's.
post #76 of 5058
[quote=JohnAV;12786339]The 2007 line uses the DarkChip3 processor. I said earlier that Samsung refuses to divulge what their specs on new series 6 and series displays when asked at CES 2008 booth, So I hope they use the DarkChip 4 in new models./QUOTE]

You know, I wonder if they are being very tight lipped about it because they don't want to hurt sales of the current models. Maybe the will use the darkchip4, and just aren't saying. I mean, if TI has it, why wouldn't they use it. It can't be that much cost difference, not in the volume Samsung would buy them in.
post #77 of 5058
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Originally Posted by JohnAV View Post

The 2007 line uses the DarkChip3 processor. I said earlier that Samsung refuses to divulge what their specs on new series 6 and series displays when asked at CES 2008 booth, So I hope they use the DarkChip 4 in new models./QUOTE]

You know, I wonder if they are being very tight lipped about it because they don't want to hurt sales of the current models. Maybe the will use the darkchip4, and just aren't saying. I mean, if TI has it, why wouldn't they use it. It can't be that much cost difference, not in the volume Samsung would buy them in.

One of the reps at the TI Booth said both the 61" and 67" 2008 Samsung LED DLP's would be using the Darkchip 4 chip. This was a TI rep and not a Samsung guy. Who knows...
post #78 of 5058
Hi guys! This is my very first avs post!! I will be getting a series "7" samsung Dlp. In either the 61" or 67" size. I'd rather get one of these as my first major big screen purchase over a 52" lcd for 2900. Long live DLP!
post #79 of 5058
My family already owns the 6187 LED. I want a larger screen, so I plan to purchase the 67" LED.

Heres the deal:

1. If the new 67" LED is the DC4 (it's bought) if not
2. Then I may get the new Mits Laser

Samsung better stop playing games with DLP. If they want increased sales, make it better and add the cost. Otherwise, those prototypes may never see the light!

I doubt they intend to make three DLP line models. Non-LED, LED, and LED Pro.

Note to Samsung, delay and make the next LED the DC4. If the Laser and DC4LED sets can't get RPTV sales going then nothing will.
post #80 of 5058
According to TI all new 2008 Samsung DLPs' will have DC4... that is what they said at there booth at CES
post #81 of 5058
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Originally Posted by davegow View Post

I find the press releases totally confusing on this matter but according to JohnAV this is true, and the smaller sets are (I guess) colour-wheel hot-lamp. Doesn't make any sense to me but to be sure I guess we'll have to wait until Samsung lists them.

I found the Samsung press release a little confusing as well. I too was wanting a 56" LED tv. I went to Luminus Devices website and looked at their press releases. The two press releases are in regards to the LED technology. I made part of the text below in bold to point something out that I saw on the Luminus Devices press release on their website. They make it sound as though the 61" and 67" model is being added to the current line up of LED tv's. I know what your thinking Samsung already has 61" LED from the 2007 year model in their line up. So how could it be new. Perhaps with the 61" and 67" theirs some added features. I hope they haven't done away with the 50 and 56" models.

jim

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http://www.luminus.com/content1242


Luminus Devices Previews Third Generation of LED-Powered DLP® HDTVs from Samsung's 2008 Line-Up
30% Brighter PhlatLight™ LEDs Enable Larger Screen Sizes Including New 67" Model
January 7, 2008

Las Vegas, Nevada – Luminus Devices, Inc. today announced it will preview the latest models in Samsung Electronics’ new line of Slim Depth Widescreen LED-Powered DLP® HDTVs with 1080p resolution, featuring Luminus’ patented PhlatLight™ LED technology. Luminus’ significant breakthroughs in achieving unprecedented brightness levels from its PhlatLight LEDs have created a 30% improvement in brightness over last year’s product, enabling the first-ever 67” screen size in Samsung’s Slim DLP series and making it the largest LED-illuminated DLP ever created. New models will be unveiled during this week’s 2008 International Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas.
“We continue to invest in R&D to improve the brightness and efficiency of our PhlatLight LED technology,” said John Langevin, vice president of sales and marketing at Luminus Devices, Inc. “These improvements allow our RPTV customers to increase the brightness and viewing angles of their existing models, while adding larger screen sizes.”
Samsung’s 2008 LED DLP line-up will include two new models – the 61” HL61A750 and the 67” HL67A750. The new LED models will feature Samsung’s new slim, lightweight cabinet design featuring an ultra slim bezel. In addition to offering up to 40% more color, the new models carry PhlatLight LEDs’ long lifetime, eliminating the need for lamp replacement and improving environmental friendliness. This combined with DLP technology’s exceptional contrast and 1080p resolution gives consumers the superior viewing experience provided by the Slim DLP series with the option of an even larger screen size.
“Consumer demand for outstanding picture quality in larger screen sizes continues to grow and Samsung has answered this demand with our Slim DLP line,” said Steve Panosian, director of marketing, DLP and CRT HDTV products at Samsung Electronics America. “Now, not only are we able to offer a very thin bezel that allows the sets to fit where others won’t, but we are also able to deliver this advantage in larger screen sizes that use substantially less energy than plasma or LCD sets of the same size, thanks in large part to Luminus’ PhlatLight LED technology.”
Samsung introduced the first LED DLP TV incorporating PhlatLight technology in a 56” screen size in 2006. The company expanded the product line in 2007 by creating new models of LED DLP HDTVs in screen sizes up to 61”. The latest lineup is the third generation of Samsung’s Slim LED DLP series incorporating PhlatLight technology, with models that include screen sizes up to 67”.
Luminus will demonstrate a variety of consumer and professional display products illuminated by PhlatLight technology, including multiple new pocket projectors, a prototype home theater projector and large screen LCD backlight units, with a focus on enabling slimmer panels and improved performance. The demonstrations will take place this week in a private suite at The Mirage, located at 3400 Las Vegas Boulevard South, Las Vegas, Nevada. Anyone interested in scheduling an appointment should contact Bree Clidence at (760) 940-9025 or Kaycee Roberts at (401) 490-9700 for more information.
About Luminus Devices
Luminus Devices, Inc. develops and manufactures high performance solid state light sources for a variety of illumination applications, including high definition TVs, video projectors, avionics displays, and lighting systems. Its patented PhlatLightä (Photonic Lattice) LED products are the brightest and most versatile solid state light sources available today and are enabling innovative products and applications never before possible. Luminus Devices' headquarters and primary manufacturing facilities are located in Billerica, Massachusetts, U.S.A. For more information, visit www.luminus.com and www.phlatlight.com.

For more information, contact:

Bree Clidence or Kaycee Roberts
SVM Public Relations
760-940-9025 or 401-490-9700
bree.clidence@svmpr.com or kaycee.roberts@svmpr.com

Note to editors: PhlatLight is a trademark of Luminus Devices. DLP and DLP Cinema are registered trademarks of Texas Instruments.

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http://www.luminus.com/content1244

Luminus Devices and Texas Instruments Join Forces to Double Brightness
Collaboration Produces Dramatic Advancements to Enable New Display Products
January 7, 2008

Las Vegas, Nevada – January 7, 2008 – Luminus Devices, Inc., together with DLP® Products from Texas Instruments (TI), today announced they have achieved significant breakthroughs in brightness levels for displays through the combination of Luminus’ PhlatLight™ LED technology and TI’s DLP technology. The two companies will show prototype display systems and new products using their combined technology to demonstrate brightness levels higher than thought possible with LED technology during the 2008 International Consumer Electronics Show (CES) taking place from January 7-10 in Las Vegas.
The collaboration of Luminus and TI has more than doubled brightness from last year enabling a range of new display products, including thin, high contrast, wide viewing angle TVs.
Among the prototypes being demonstrated at the DLP products booth at CES (Central Hall, Booth #8205) is a slim DLP HDTV illuminated using PhlatLight LED technology. The DLP TV, features a contrast ratio beyond 500,000:1, is ultra light and thin for easy wall mounting and due to the increased brightness, can use new screen technology doubling the viewing angle to match viewing angles of other flat screen technology.
“Our continual improvements in brightness have opened up a new realm of display product categories previously thought impossible with conventional LEDs,” said Christian Hoepfner, vice president of products at Luminus Devices, Inc. “With the brightness levels we’ve reached with TI so far, we’re on track to break the one thousand lumen mark this year with a front projector. This achievement marks a significant breakthrough, not only in terms of performance, but also in the creation of exciting new large screen HDTVs and home theater projectors.”
Displays illuminated by PhlatLight produce a forty percent wider color gamut than the NTSC standard without the need for a color wheel. PhlatLight’s unique ability to create pure, primary colors that are sequentially pulsed at speeds up to 48 times the traditional television frame rate, produces stable, accurate colors, and a smooth picture, with superior motion quality. PhlatLight LEDs offer significantly longer lifetimes than arc lamps used in most microdisplays, to deliver a consistent picture without fading. Since lamp warm-up time is unnecessary, the picture appears instantly at full brightness. PhlatLight-illuminated DLP TVs are also more environmentally friendly because they consume one third the energy of comparably sized flat panel TVs and eliminate the conventional lamp that requires repeated replacement during the lifetime of the TV.
“The high-brightness capabilities of PhaltLight LED technology complement the exceptional picture quality provided by DLP and give our customers more advantages to design innovative new display products,” said Adam Kunzman, business manager, DLP HDTV Products, Texas Instruments. “These innovations ensure a steady flow of exciting new products and product categories for the future.”

At this year’s CES, Luminus is demonstrating a variety of consumer and professional display products illuminated by PhlatLight technology, including projection TVs, pocket projectors and large screen LCD backlight units. The demonstrations will take place this week in a private suite at The Mirage, located at 3400 Las Vegas Boulevard South, Las Vegas, Nevada. Anyone interested in scheduling an appointment should contact Bree Clidence or Kaycee Roberts at 760-940-9025 or 401-490-9700.

About Luminus Devices
Luminus Devices, Inc. develops and manufactures high performance solid state light sources for a variety of illumination applications, including high definition TVs, video projectors, avionics displays, and lighting systems. Its patented PhlatLightä (Photonic Lattice) LED products are the brightest and most versatile solid state light sources available today and are enabling innovative products and applications never before possible. Luminus Devices' headquarters and primary manufacturing facilities are located in Billerica, Massachusetts, U.S.A. For more information, visit www.luminus.com and www.phlatlight.com.
About Texas Instruments DLP Products
DLP display technology from Texas Instruments offers clarity down to the most minute detail, delivering pictures rich with color, contrast and brightness to large-screen HDTVs and projectors for business, home, professional venue and digital cinema (DLP Cinema®). 75 of the world's top projection and display manufacturers design, manufacture and market products based on DLP technology. At the heart of every DLP chip is an array of up to 2.2 million microscopic mirrors which switch incredibly fast to create a high resolution, highly reliable, full color image. DLP technology’s chip architecture and inherent speed advantage provides razor-sharp images and excellent reproduction of fast motion video. Since early 1996, more than 10 million DLP subsystems have been shipped. For more information, please visit www.dlp.com. Texas Instruments is traded on the New York Stock Exchange under the symbol TXN. More information is located on the World Wide Web at www.ti.com.

Luminus Media Contact:
Bree Clidence or Kaycee Roberts
SVM Public Relations
760-940-9025 or 401-490-9700
bree.clidence@svmpr.com or kaycee.roberts@svmpr.com

Note to editors: PhlatLight is a trademark of Luminus Devices. DLP and DLP Cinema are registered trademarks of Texas Instruments.
post #82 of 5058
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Originally Posted by jamesb7403 View Post

...They make it sound as though the 61" and 67" model is being added to the current line up of LED tv's. I know what your thinking Samsung already has 61" LED from the 2007 year model in their line up. So how could it be new....

Well no, I can see that the 750 sets have a number of advances over previous gen LEDs regardless of size. It just seems wierd to me that Samsung would go to the expense of the R&D and retooling to produce this improved technology and not offer it across their range. Color wheels and replaceable lamps are two of the reasons why the market is going against RPTVs. The big stores just don't want the customer complaints and service obligations these fragile technologies bring down on them.

Anyway like I said we'll have to wait until Samsung puts these models on their website. One thing I'll be looking for is whether thay have access doors for cleaning, like the 87/89 models do now. Having had cobwebs inside my present RP I wouldn't want one without it.
post #83 of 5058
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Originally Posted by taker View Post

According to TI all new 2008 Samsung DLPs' will have DC4... that is what they said at there booth at CES

I got the same message at the TI booth.
post #84 of 5058
To TetsujinWave or others who have seen the 67" LED model on the CES floor, I forgot to ask one very important question in my previous posts - how deep is the new 67" uint? I'm curious to know how much thickness they can shave off the new DLPs to compete with the flat panels.
post #85 of 5058
does anyone know dates when usually manufactures realese info on their lineups?
post #86 of 5058
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Originally Posted by ChuvaKuhn View Post

To TetsujinWave or others who have seen the 67" LED model on the CES floor, I forgot to ask one very important question in my previous posts - how deep is the new 67" uint? I'm curious to know how much thickness they can shave off the new DLPs to compete with the flat panels.

It was a little slimmer than last year's 67" lamp based set they sold through Costco. It isn't close to a flat panel's thickness.

I will say, however, that I was a little disappointed in the Mitsu Laser set's depth. They'd hyped it as though it would rival LCD's in picture and thickness. It just looked like a slimmer RPTV (which is exactly what it is). The picture was excellent as advertised.

A few years ago RCA came out with a 720p DLP set that was thin enough to be hung on a wall--now the picture left a lot to be desired, but it shows that such a set can be manufactured.
post #87 of 5058
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Originally posted by TetsujinWave:
I will say, however, that I was a little disappointed in the Mitsu Laser set's depth. They'd hyped it as though it would rival LCD's in picture and thickness. It just looked like a slimmer RPTV (which is exactly what it is). The picture was excellent as advertised.

Thanks for the info on both sets. Am I the only one who could care less about depth? Anything under 20" is fine with me. I have a bunch of A/V equipment to put under my TV and speaker/power jacks on the wall behind the TV stand to cover up. I think most people are that way. All I would do with a flat panel is place it on top of the TV stand with a bunch of room to spare.
post #88 of 5058
You aren't the only one. I just want a set with great PQ and as few flaws as possible. If it happens to be thin, that's cool too--but thickness isn't a dealbreaker for me.
post #89 of 5058
Yeah, i don't get the thinness craze either, unless you are going to wall mount it, but that seems more of a pain than any benefit. Most wall mounts are probably done too high I'd bet. I have my 61" DLP on a stand approx 20 " high, which is perfect, and it is the perfect depth to house all my AV gear, which has to go somewhere. I don't care if the TV is much thinner, it will just mean more open space behind it.
post #90 of 5058
Put simply, the thinner the depth, the less visually obtrusive it is in the living room. That's just how it is, and why plasmas are so popular. I would prefer MY tv to be as thin as possible too, but I'm not particulary willing to sacrifice PQ, burn-in, or electical efficiency to get it. Thinness is something to strive for, but not at the expense of the other stuff. Hey, but that's just me. 14-15" is shallow enough.
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