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post #2491 of 2570
dishrich,

Thanks for the insight! Just got off the phone with a DISH CSR and I got two ViP722 replacements for free! No delivery charge (to and return), no extra monthly charges, and no contracts being signed. I am a happy customer! biggrin.gif

I've had those silly ViP622's for years and always wanted the 722's.. It finally happened! I guess the main DVR upgrade is the storage? 622 has 250/300GB and the 722 has 500GB of storage. Other than that, I don't think there's any noticeable features? Maybe instead of an DVI port, it would have an HDMI, etc.

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Sorta regretting not going with the Hopper and all but I just can't afford it. Bought a new car this year so car payments plus the additional car insurance is hurting. As I get older, I'm finding more and more bills are coming my way rolleyes.gif

Maybe I'll upgrade to the Hopper (or the one that comes next) at a later time. We'll see how I do with the 722's
post #2492 of 2570
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

I've had those silly ViP622's for years and always wanted the 722's.. It finally happened! I guess the main DVR upgrade is the storage? 622 has 250/300GB and the 722 has 500GB of storage. Other than that, I don't think there's any noticeable features?
I wanted, and got, the 722 because it was black. Every component I have is black, so the 622 stuck out like a sore thumb.
post #2493 of 2570
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Originally Posted by Aliens View Post

I wanted, and got, the 722 because it was black. Every component I have is black, so the 622 stuck out like a sore thumb.

Yup, that has been on my mind to. Basically my only silver component is the 622 tongue.gif
post #2494 of 2570
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

Other than that, I don't think there's any noticeable features? Maybe instead of an DVI port, it would have an HDMI, etc.

I was not aware the 622's DIDN'T have HDMI ports (also). But yes, the 722's all have HDMI. (only)

Note there ARE 2 different flavors of these receivers; 722 & 722k Since they are drop-shipping these to you, you could end up with either one. There are minimal differences between the 2:

- 722 has a (single) OTA tuner built-in (like the 622's) - while the 722k have an optional dual OTA tuner cartridge available (obviously if you don't use OTA, all of this is a moot point...)

- 722k does NOT have an S-video output; 722 does
post #2495 of 2570
In a reecent visit to several in-laws that live in Kansas City, MO, I found out that 4 of the 5 had Dish, I sit down to watch some TV, I see no HD, heck the box doesn't even have an HDMI port, just regular Coax connections, so I asked them why they didn't choose Dish HD, they SWEAR this was HD what they were watching, and they are paying $50 to $80 a month!

That makes me thing that Dish takes advantage of the non-educated people and charges a lot for standard SD service, After some convincing I told them to either call Dish to DEMAND the HD boxes or they switch to Direct TV, the relative that had Direct TV did have HD channels a plenty, so I think they are all switching to Direct TV after the Dish disappointment..

That was just a sample of my relatives there in that City, I can't imagine the amount of "false HD" they are selling there and the rest of the country
post #2496 of 2570
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Originally Posted by dishrich View Post

I was not aware the 622's DIDN'T have HDMI ports.

The 622 has HDMI. One; same as the 722.
post #2497 of 2570
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

That makes me thing that Dish takes advantage of the non-educated people and charges a lot for standard SD service, After some convincing I told them to either call Dish to DEMAND the HD boxes or they switch to Direct TV, the relative that had Direct TV did have HD channels a plenty, so I think they are all switching to Direct TV after the Dish disappointment..

Well that's funny...considering that I know WAY more DISH folks w/HD, than SD (only). (and yea, we ALL have actual HD receivers... tongue.gif ) Matter of fact, everyone I know with DISH does NOT even pay for HD service - unlike DirecTV, that charges $10 extra for it. (unless you call &/or threaten to leave - & even then they don't always offer "HD fee credits" to everyone; & even at that, those only last for 1 year...) rolleyes.gif

That was one of several reasons I switched; I got tired of playing the "waive my HD fee" game BS every year.
Edited by dishrich - 9/24/13 at 2:10pm
post #2498 of 2570
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Originally Posted by Aliens View Post

The 622 has HDMI. One; same as the 722.

I was (much) aware of that; I was really questioning the OP's statement about DVI (only)... wink.gif
post #2499 of 2570
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Originally Posted by dishrich View Post

I was not aware the 622's DIDN'T have HDMI ports (also). But yes, the 722's all have HDMI. (only)

Note there ARE 2 different flavors of these receivers; 722 & 722k Since they are drop-shipping these to you, you could end up with either one. There are minimal differences between the 2:

- 722 has a (single) OTA tuner built-in (like the 622's) - while the 722k have an optional dual OTA tuner cartridge available (obviously if you don't use OTA, all of this is a moot point...)

- 722k does NOT have an S-video output; 722 does

wow! Do you think I could request one or the other? I want the OTA tuner built-in of course, the 722. The 722 seems like the more expensive model as well.

I told the CSR "I would like the ViP722." I did not mention anything about "722k." I guess it won't matter to the non-gear head though. I wonder if the CSR's know the difference tongue.gif

Thanks for the information. I did not know about the differences.
post #2500 of 2570
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

wow! Do you think I could request one or the other? I want the OTA tuner built-in of course, the 722. The 722 seems like the more expensive model as well.

If you hare having them drop-shipped, then you get whatever they have on-hand at the time; they can't request a specific model.
If you have a tech bring out, (which is normally an extra charge) then you get whatever he has on his truck...but I was told they usually pull a specific model from their warehouse; again, NO guarantee though.

Look at it like this...if you end up getting 722's - you will have the EXACT same OTA setup as you had before.
If you get 722k's, then if you must have OTA, then just call up DISH & explain to them you MUST new OTA tuner modules - since you DID have capability before.
You can then probably wangle 2 OTA modules for your new receivers for FREE. (normally they're around $30 each)
I actually had (2) 722k's w/FREE OTA modules, before my H/J upgrade.

Again, other than those 2 differences, there are NO other differences.
post #2501 of 2570
Gotcha. They are being dropped-shipped.

I rarely use OTA but it's good for when DISH is out of service due to a bad storm and OTA still works. Just a back-up option. Also, OTA channels do different compressions and sorts to the video feed. I'm sure E* and OTA NBC is slightly different.

You've been a big help today smile.gif
post #2502 of 2570
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

You've been a big help today smile.gif

NP - the biggest (& most important) difference you'll notice with either 722, are quicker guides/menu's...as well as the larger HDD.
Also, I assume you are aware about transferring any shows off of your current 622's, into your new 722's - so you don't loose any shows:

http://www.mydish.com/upgrades/products/expand-dvr-storage/
post #2503 of 2570
My relatives do have a weird combo of DVR plus SD receiver, and uses RF to change channels on other TVs, I guess this box has lots of limitations, on HD package every TV has it's own box right?
post #2504 of 2570
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

My relatives do have a weird combo of DVR plus SD receiver, and uses RF to change channels on other TVs, I guess this box has lots of limitations,

No, you &/or your relatives just don't understand how (some) DISH HD receivers work; it's not that "weird" once you understand them.

There are 4 different types of HD receivers, with multiple model#'s within each type: (I've listed the most current model within each type)

- HD solo; non-DVR receiver meant for 1 HDTV TV (211k)
- HD duo; non-DVR receiver w/2 tuners w/2 separate TV outputs; 1 HD output f/TV1, 1 SD (w/RF) output f/TV2/RF remote (222k)
- HD solo DVR; DVR w/2 tuners meant for 1 HDTV (612k)
- HD duo DVR; DVR w/2 tuners w/2 separate TV outputs; 1 HD output f/TV1, 1 SD (w/RF) output f/TV2/RF remote (722k)

http://www.dish.com/technology/receivers-dvrs/?WT.svl=technologysubnav

Both kinds of Duo receivers are intended for 2 TV's to be served from 1 receiver w/independent programming. The drawback is, the 2nd TV is NOT an HD signal. (DISH also has these same types of receivers in SD-only models; they have done receivers like this for many years now) The premise is, that (at least with the 1st receiver on an account) you save $$$, since there is NO extra charge for a duo receiver. (unfortunately, it's not the case on additional duo receivers...)

The Hopper/Joey system is more like the DirecTV Genie w/thin clients; the Joey's have NO tuners just like the Genie thin clients. ALL units regardless output HD & SD signals.
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on HD package every TV has it's own box right?

NOT necessarily; it ALL depends on what the customer wants. Some people use the HD duo DVR's for ONLY 1 TV, since it has PIP & a larger HDD than the 612 - however, it DOES cost more monthly if you have more than 1 on your account. All the model receivers vary in monthly costs; the first box on an account has NO monthly fee & is assigned as the highest tier (cost) receiver.

If you have the H/J, then (generally) you have a Ho or Jo on each TV

If you want more info on how their technology works, this site will answer your questions:
http://www.satelliteguys.com/forums/10-The-DISH-Forum
Edited by dishrich - 9/25/13 at 10:44am
post #2505 of 2570
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Originally Posted by Young C View Post

Gotcha. They are being dropped-shipped.

I rarely use OTA but it's good for when DISH is out of service due to a bad storm and OTA still works. Just a back-up option. Also, OTA channels do different compressions and sorts to the video feed. I'm sure E* and OTA NBC is slightly different.

You've been a big help today smile.gif

OTA stations (except FOX) take the rather high bitrate MPEG-4 network feed and encode it to MPEG-2 for broadcast. D* and E* then re-compress that signal to MPEG-4 (around 4 to 5Mbps on E*). I always watch the network stations off an antennae. Its obviously better PQ to my eyes than E*... others say they can't tell the difference . The other bonus with the 722k's OTA cartridge is you can now record up to 4 channels at once!
post #2506 of 2570
So one of my relative is paying $85 for basic service, SD receiver with DVR and duo, $10 of those are for the Starz package, is that a good price?
post #2507 of 2570
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

So one of my relative is paying $85 for basic service, SD receiver with DVR and duo, $10 of those are for the Starz package, is that a good price?

Have no idea, since there's at least 4 (current) "basic" pkgs that E* offers...you need to tell us WHICH one they have...
Edited by dishrich - 9/25/13 at 1:27pm
post #2508 of 2570
dishrich,

Please help. I received the two (2) replacement DVRs today. Opened the boxes up and they were both ViP622s! CSR told me I was getting two 722s confused.gif

Was it an accident or does DISH not replace broken DVR's with "upgraded" versions such as the 722.

I thought it was too good to be true. Getting my "dream" DVR for free... two of them, when only one was broken. I'm calling DISH right now.

Please get back with me. Thanks
Colin
post #2509 of 2570
dishrich,

You did not tell me these things tongue.gif (the CSR might be wrong of course. )

- DISH will only replace the broken receiver with the same model receiver. You can not "upgrade" or receive any other receiver. It has to be the same exact receiver. I have a broken 622, they will replace it will another 622.

- An upgraded 722 requires a 2-year contract.

I placed the transaction on hold as I'm not sure I want to sign a 2-year lease.

Sort of bogus, how I can not be swapped out with a 722. On their website under the current hardware section, a 622 isn't even listed! The ViP612 is listed, I am guessing that's just the updated version of the 622.

I knew it was too good to be true. Didn't think they would let me upgrade 2 receivers for free and no contract. I was smart enough. I feel shunned because the technical support staff told me I will be sent the 722. He was clueless about how the operation works, or he was messing with me.

Ranting here.. but why would I want to sign 2-year lease on something I don't know that I'm buying. I might get a ViP722 or ViP722k. I want the built in OTA tuner! I want the S-Video port! I have no input on which I'll be receiving rolleyes.gif

Any help? Thanks for your input
post #2510 of 2570
Well as I explained to you already...the type of "upgrades" a given customer will get (FREE) varies GREATLY & depends on several factors.
That being said, the CSR you spoke to before - that told you they would upgrade your 622's to 722's FREE - obviously didn't do something right. (you DID take notes/names when you talk to them EACH time, right???) The CSR might have thought you are only trying to replace your existing (broken) receivers - so yes in that case, they normally replace like for like.
You might want to try calling them back again, & calmly explain the situation - & tell them that after all this they put you though, you're seriously considering dumping them altogether for DirecTV - since THEY will give you ALL new equip FREE.
You also might want to contact their on-line DIRT team & see if they could be of some assistance; see this link f/info:

http://www.satelliteguys.us/threads/272906-A-Note-About-the-DIRT-Team

Buy honestly - yes, I kind of thought the fact they would upgrade BOTH (or even ONE) of your 722's FREE, & with NO contact - sounded kind of suspect; evidently it was. (but hey, sometimes it CAN happen...)
BUT (also) honestly - do you really think that most places are going to give you any kind of equip upgrade FREE - & NOT expect you to hang around for a year or two - so they can make their money back with you? Really??? You DO realize that (even I) had to do a 2-year contact, to get all new Ho/Jo receivers - & my 3 HD DVR's before THAT! Wasn't that big a deal to me...
How many times have you gotten a FREE (or next to nothing) cell phone upgrade - & NOT been put on some sort of contact; it's NO different with DISH. (or DirecTV, for that matter...)

As far as NOT buying it - THAT'S the whole point; you AREN'T buying it - DISH is giving it to you for NO upfront cost. (you DO know the saying about "NO FREE LUNCH"...)
You are FREE to buy them upfront yourself & avoid a contract; however, the monthly fees on them will be EXACTLY the same. But once you buy them somewhere (e-bay is about the best place) DO expect to pay around $200-$300 each - AND if they break, YOU get to foot the bill to replace it after the year warranty is up. (If you try & buy them through DISH, they're going to charge you around $400 each!)
If you think about it, it's actually kind of silly to buy this stuff outright; the only reason it makes sense, is if you want to be able to turn a receiver on/off at will, like in a guest room, etc.

A 612 receiver is NOT quite the same as a 622; while it has dual tuners, it can ONLY output 1 program at once. (the 622/722 can output 2 different programs, for 2 different rooms; go back & read the description on it carefully...)
It also has a smaller HDD & does NOT do PIP - however, it IS only $10/month, as opposed to $17 f/your 2nd receiver. See the attached comparison chart.


DISH receiver comparison chart.pdf 256k .pdf file
post #2511 of 2570
Hey,

Thanks for the reply! Interesting read. You do make a lot of valid points there.

Going to talk it over with my house mate and decide if we should just keep the brand new 622s.
post #2512 of 2570
Hey Dishers out there .... Im one of the one hoping/wishing for a bt keyboard to better surf, but now I see the new commercials for Xfinity's voice search! Man that would be a great replacement for the keyboard I've been waiting for!
post #2513 of 2570
I saw a DirecTV commercial today during a football game that makes the same voice claim.....
post #2514 of 2570
I am in Milpitas, CA. I am currently Comcast cable customer.
Please tell me how to find best deals from either DirecTV or Dish Network?

I need two set top box for 2 TV in 2 rooms. No DVR. No HD. No Premium channels.

DirecTV is $24.99 + $6 (2nd TV) = $30.99 per month first year. 2nd Year is $54 + $6 = $60 per month.

Dish Network is $19.99 + $7 (2nd TV) = $26.99 per month first year. 2nd Year add $13 = $40 per month. But this is only Smart Pack do not have any good channel, particularly no CNN nor HGTV). Dish no longer offer Welcome Pack to new customers.
The equivalent package is $29.95 + $7 = $37 per month for first year. $50 for 2nd year.

Is there any way to find better deal?
Thank you.
post #2515 of 2570
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Originally Posted by young707 View Post

I am in Milpitas, CA. I am currently Comcast cable customer.
Please tell me how to find best deals from either DirecTV or Dish Network?

I need two set top box for 2 TV in 2 rooms. No DVR. No HD. No Premium channels.

DirecTV is $24.99 + $6 (2nd TV) = $30.99 per month first year. 2nd Year is $54 + $6 = $60 per month.

Dish Network is $19.99 + $7 (2nd TV) = $26.99 per month first year. 2nd Year add $13 = $40 per month. But this is only Smart Pack do not have any good channel, particularly no CNN nor HGTV). Dish no longer offer Welcome Pack to new customers.
The equivalent package is $29.95 + $7 = $37 per month for first year. $50 for 2nd year.

Is there any way to find better deal?
Thank you.
I've had both. I don't think there's a PQ difference. Prices are competitive. The biggest difference is in billing. I discovered several billing errors with DirevTV (oddly always in their favor) seemingly every few months. When called, they always made corrections, but I never felt they were honest to deal with. This was my main reason to switch to Dish.
post #2516 of 2570
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Originally Posted by young707 View Post

Dish Network is $19.99 + $7 (2nd TV) = $26.99 per month first year.
Is there any way to find better deal?
Thank you.
Instead of getting 2 receivers, get one dual tuner/output receiver, a VIP 222. This would allow for different viewing on both TVs, but without the additional $7/mo additional outlet fee.
post #2517 of 2570
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Originally Posted by AntennaMan1 View Post

Instead of getting 2 receivers, get one dual tuner/output receiver, a VIP 222. This would allow for different viewing on both TVs, but without the additional $7/mo additional outlet fee.

But DO be aware that 2nd TV output on any of those dual room (tuner) receivers is NOT HD... wink.gif
post #2518 of 2570
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Originally Posted by dishrich View Post

But DO be aware that 2nd TV output on any of those dual room (tuner) receivers is NOT HD... wink.gif

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Originally Posted by young707 
I need two set top box for 2 TV in 2 rooms. No DVR. No HD. No Premium channels.
rolleyes.gif
post #2519 of 2570
Thank you, Both the Dish 322 and VIP 222 have 2 TV outputs and two remotes. But I have 2 TV in two rooms upstair & downstaire.
Can you please tell me the RF remote can reach between woodend floor? Thank you.

If I sign 2 years contract with Dish, can I change the equipment or drop one receiver? Thanks.
post #2520 of 2570
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Originally Posted by young707 View Post

Thank you, Both the Dish 322 and VIP 222 have 2 TV outputs and two remotes. But I have 2 TV in two rooms upstair & downstaire.
Can you please tell me the RF remote can reach between woodend floor? Thank you.

If I sign 2 years contract with Dish, can I change the equipment or drop one receiver? Thanks.

Yes, RF remotes work between rooms, floors, etc.

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