I want to call Shenanigans on the Pioneer Kuro vs. Future Kuro pictures...

Originally Posted by spincut

yeah but i would like to see them under normal exposure, since that is of course how i'd watch them.

Originally Posted by terminatorbob

The camera was set up to try and capture more light.

Originally Posted by vtms

Did you take the picture? Sure, if the camera was set up to capture more light the suspicious results would be easy to explain, but what if it wasn't?

Originally Posted by vtms

Did you take the picture? Sure, if the camera was set up to capture more light the suspicious results would be easy to explain, but what if it wasn't?

Originally Posted by terminatorbob

Well, I can't prove it obviously, but the fact that the flower is way over blown it tells me that the picture is probably over exposed. Then again the flower may actually look like that on the screen, but I doubt it.

I don't think the brightness was turned up on the original Kuro because the flowers look the same on both TV's. If the brightness or contrast was raised the flower would be even more over blown on the original Kuro.

Thats just my opinion. Maybe im wrong, I wasn't there to see it in person. But thats what it looks like to me.

Originally Posted by spincut

I'm not really saying they arent real or anything like that.

but LOOK at this http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/...epBlack600.jpg

I dunno, i have little doubt that a future gen concept kuro would be impressively darker but i also know that the current gen Kuros do not look that bright. I mean, if you pictured just that 8th gen one alone it would still look weird.

Originally Posted by D-Nice

Why don't you visit CES and see for yourself.

Originally Posted by johnnybrulez

Here's an example of what I mean... http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/gallery...1bc040b1d6.jpg

W/o any enhancing... the current Kuro's glow is difficult to capture in this type of image. The slightest bit of highlights turns 0ire glow into an abyss of darkness.

I can't even tell the difference between the two displays on this website. Its very hard to capture the differences on film when you're talking about black levels that are really really dark.

With all lights out, and you actually 'being there', it would be a dramatic difference.

Originally Posted by D-Nice

Why don't you visit CES and see for yourself.

Originally Posted by D-Nice

Why don't you visit CES and see for yourself.

Originally Posted by Allen050

Work, money, wife/GF/BF for some, going might mean delaying aquiring a tv another 2 months...

Plenty of reasons.

Thats why most of us rely on this forum and are thankful for it's many knowledgeable contributors (such as yourself).

Keep in mind also that we are all soooo excited about all of this great new technology, some of us can't help but be frustrated by the fact that none of it is being reliably and fully reviewed (yet). And I for one am excited about reading new threads with new questions and postulations about what the very near future may hold for all of us!!!

That was a rant, thanks for listening. Sorry OP.

Originally Posted by spincut

why dont you buy me a plane ticket and some time off?

i think our answers would be the same

Originally Posted by spincut

as someone else already said and the point of my comment made in response, "not helping".

and why are you teating me bluntly and hostile anyway? you claim i've made "some very interesting comments lately", is there really a need to police my comments? if i want to ask something i beleive is pertinent then i'll ask it, there's no need to be blunt towards me if you dont feel it necesary.

and besides, i didnt ask about this 10 times as you seem to be implying, i made the thread because i didnt see any others about it pop up when i wrote in the subject, so i just posted it, sheesh.

Originally Posted by spincut

and besides, i didnt ask about this 10 times as you seem to be implying, i made the thread because i didnt see any others about it pop up when i wrote in the subject, so i just posted it, sheesh.

Originally Posted by spincut

as i hope you understand by now, i really cant follow that many threads, it gets a little exhausting, so if i dont see a subject just about that then i went ahead with it.

as for your explanation of what me being interesting i have no idea, but wheni made the thead it definetly was not the intent that i had "personal facts that i wanted to be proven wrong". I just wanted to make a post it on it and barring following multiple growing mega threads i didnt see any discussion of it anywhere else. usually though the subject search function when posting is a little more reliable.

Originally Posted by NathanC

Not even the pitch black night sky can hold its black level like that with an overexposed photo.

Stunning.

Originally Posted by andrewfee

The best thing is that the Engadget photos still had the EXIF information embedded in them.



This photo was shot with a Nikon D40. It was a 6 second exposure at ISO1600 with an aperture of f/3.5




This is a photo of my CRT showing a black screen when it has been set up so that it doesn't crush shadow details. Now my camera isn't as flexible, so the closest I can get is 5 seconds at ISO1600 with an aperture of f/3.7 anyone that knows anything about photography knows that this is a darker exposure than the one used above.

And yet, the new Pioneer still looks darker!

Not only that, but if you actually had a high contrast image on the screen like that, the CRT's blacks would be nowhere near that dark, as the bright fireworks would raise the black level fairly significantly.



To my eyes, the current Kuros have a terrible black level that lights up the room. The CRT doesn't light up the room, but I can still see a glow. It looks like these new Pioneers finally surpass that and may not have any perceptible glow at all with a black screen.

Originally Posted by andrewfee

The best thing is that the Engadget photos still had the EXIF information embedded in them.



This photo was shot with a Nikon D40. It was a 6 second exposure at ISO1600 with an aperture of f/3.5




This is a photo of my CRT showing a black screen when it has been set up so that it doesn't crush shadow details. Now my camera isn't as flexible, so the closest I can get is 5 seconds at ISO1600 with an aperture of f/3.7 anyone that knows anything about photography knows that this is a darker exposure than the one used above.

And yet, the new Pioneer still looks darker!

Not only that, but if you actually had a high contrast image on the screen like that, the CRT's blacks would be nowhere near that dark, as the bright fireworks would raise the black level fairly significantly.



To my eyes, the current Kuros have a terrible black level that lights up the room. The CRT doesn't light up the room, but I can still see a glow. It looks like these new Pioneers finally surpass that and may not have any perceptible glow at all with a black screen.