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Your thoughts on a 1080p

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
Hello, I have a Panasonic AE300 that's been great. I'm now looking for something higher resolution and am going to jump to Blu Ray as well as continue HTPC use.

Stats:
Would like to keep the cost to $2600 or lower
I have decent lighting control, projector will be cieling mounted about 12' from a 106" diag screen. Seats are currently also 12' away.

I will rarely watch HDTV (or any TV) with it. This is for PC use and DVD/Blu Ray movies.

The HTPC is pretty powerful and I can throw as much hardware in there as needed.

Questions I could use help with:
How important is 1080p/24?

Do I really care about HDMI 1.3?

Any people who used to see rainbows DLP but no longer do? I saw them badly when I tried it 3 years ago.

Any personal views comparing any of the following would be great:

Bang for the buck is important - I'd spend more to get more but not if it's a tiny improvement.

Mitsubish HC4900 (Price is amazing)
Sanyo PLV-Z2000
Panasonic PT-AE2000U
Epson Home Cinema 1080 UB
Optoma HD80

Cheers!
post #2 of 10
For PC use you may want the projector to be really sharp. HC4900 and HD80 may be the sharpest of the lot.
post #3 of 10
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Originally Posted by ed_t View Post

For PC use you may want the projector to be really sharp. HC4900 and HD80 may be the sharpest of the lot.

I've seen the Pana in a controlled light room and it´s amazing, feeded by a htpc, 720p/1080p internet movies.
post #4 of 10
Of the options you mentioned, I should point out that only the Sanyo and Mitsubishi are actually available for less than your $2,600 maximum. If you really are putting them all into contention, I feel the Panasonic and Optoma are worth the premium.

The 1080UB is supposedly quite impressive in terms of black level, and should have a noticeable advantage over these other units, but I don't think that you would find that aspect of image quality lacking in the Panasonic or Optoma, and the new Epson is more expensive than either of these offerings.

At your screen size, the Sanyo would be a good choice, though you shouldn't expect to keep the lights on... ever. The Mitsubishi is the obvious "bang for the buck" candidate, but if you really do have the budget for the more expensive projectors and wouldn't find a few hundred dollars a serious financial impediment, it's worth the difference. If your budget is <$2,000 and you have a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player, or both, the HC4900 is a killer deal, but it gives up some black level performance.

HDMI 1.3 isn't a make-or-break feature for displays, and I'm not going to take the time right now to dig into it, but I don't know that any of these projectors are capable of the expanded color-space technologies, which, though there is no actual source material at the moment, would be the only benefit I can see over HDMI 1.1 or 1.2.

24Hz(x) playback is nice, but it, too, isn't make-or-break. I think I would probably make my choice first and then revel in the bonus features, rather than make these marketing-driven additions a major selection criteria. If you've never seen 1080p/24fps, it would be difficult for you to imagine exactly what the improvement is because "judder" is something we've all lived with in our displays for decades, and, for the most part, have never really complained about until the possibility of overcoming it became a reality.

To summarize, I think if your budget will allow it, the PT-AE2000U or the HD80 are your best choices. They're not the most expensive option you listed, but also not the least expensive. They are, however, worth the price premium over their lesser brethren. The Epson 1080UB, though I can't make a first-hand assessment, probably isn't worth the same difference in price, but it almost certainly will be an improvement. My main concern with it is that Sony has just released the VPL-VW40, an LCoS projector, at the same price point, and I would be shocked if the on-screen image, calibrated with movie-viewing in mind, didn't give the LCD-based Epson a real run for its money. In the interest of full disclosure, it should be mentioned that the 1080UB is available with a $200 rebate at the moment, so at this temporary price point it is a very worthy consideration over all of this competition. I'm not dwelling on that point, though, because it is only good until 1/31/08. If you can pull the trigger now, it might be worth picking up at that price and at least trying it out for an hour or two in your theater. Otherwise, if its price returns to the $2,999 MSRP, my recommendations stand.

I really would like to see the new Sony. Somewhere in this forum, a poster said they'd been told by a Sony representative that is a renamed VPL-VW50, meant to march on as the budget alternative to their new VW60. I've seen the VW50 many many times and absolutely love it. Art at ProjectorReviews.com even called the VPL-VW50 "a very good value (price/performance)" at an MSRP of $4,995. Knock $2,000 off that for the VW40, and, although nearly a year has passed, I think we're looking at a knock-out deal. Maybe you should take the time between now and the actual ship-date of the Sony to save a few hundred bucks and put that into serious contention.
post #5 of 10
I have no experience with projectors except for the HC4900 I installed in my apartment yesterday. The clarity is astounding. Hooked up via VGA to my laptop (which runs at 1920x1200), the image is amazing to behold. I am glad I didn't spend more. Perhaps I'm lucky as I have no frame of reference, so I don't know what I'm missing.
post #6 of 10
I agree that the HC4900 is fantastic, but that's more a function of its price than its performance. None of the other 1080p projectors touch it in terms of net cost, but I wouldn't argue that it outperforms the other models.

I'm just saying, if your budget will allow it, why not buy the best you can afford? If the gap were extremely narrow, I wouldn't encourage shelling out more cash, but there are real benefits to be had in the more expensive models.

I don't always understand why someone would pay more for a Mercury Mountaineer than they would for a Ford Explorer, but I do understand why people pay more for an Enzo than they do for an F430. Of course, there aren't many unhappy F430 owners...
post #7 of 10
I had the Sanyo Z4, 720 projector. I just got the Z2000, 1080, much better then the Z4. Worth the price.
post #8 of 10
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Originally Posted by Crazyapple View Post

Bang for the buck is important - I'd spend more to get more but not if it's a tiny improvement.



Cheers!

With that in mind, why dismiss 720p? Most viewers can't justify the expense at 1.6x or further viewing distance.
post #9 of 10
Since your coming from a AE300 a AX200 would be a giant huge improvment (I speak from personal experience).
While the AX200 is 720p the jump in lumens, color and overall picture is way more worth it than 1080p.
Until someone has a 1080p projector that has at least 2000 lumens I will stick with my AX200.
To be fair, I have never hooked up a PC to my AX200 so I cant comment on that subject.
I have BluRay, HD DVD and HD cable and they all look jaw dropping great.

As to your DPL rainbow question,,,, I saw DLP rainbows years ago as well and I still see them, even with the new projectors and faster color wheels.

Cheers
Davyo
post #10 of 10
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for the replies, very helpful.

I think I am leaning towards the AE2000U at this point. I've been happy with Panasonic, the cost difference is OK and the little extras are very appealing. (3 HDMI, Motorized, 1080p/24, etc)

I agree about 720p, but it's fed from computer. I do use it for games and general web use occasionally and the higher resolution makes a big difference for that. I've also been playing with HTPCs since the mid 1990's and enjoy tinkering at that level (Three cheers for the Creative DXR2). Looking forward to playing with proper upconversion, etc.

Any thoughts/suggestions always welcome.
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