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post #61 of 2029
1/10/08 at 7:59pm
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Originally Posted by ribbit View Post

at least a lot of info regarding their new EQ.

And where is that EQ?
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post #62 of 2029
1/10/08 at 8:38pm
Sounds to me like an underhanded tactic to generate buzz for the sole purpose of slowing momentum for their competition. It's really a genius move, generate buzz about a product that doesn't really exist (if customers can't buy it then it doesn't really exist) and suck the life out of sales for competing products while you scramble to get something to market.
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post #63 of 2029
1/10/08 at 9:05pm
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

And where is that EQ?

note I said vaporware (i already considered IT and the PB13 vaporware THEN - guess what I think of this one now). at least they have some detailed info on what it can do, what it looks like ... what does this one have?
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post #64 of 2029
1/10/08 at 9:15pm
Flat to 10hz is so 2007



HSU is a pretty leading edge company though. Always good new ideas coming from them.
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post #65 of 2029
1/10/08 at 9:17pm
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Originally Posted by Jesse S View Post

Flat to 10hz is so 2007



HSU is a pretty leading edge company though. Always good new ideas coming from them.

Nice.
That's how my room is too. I bet you get some 5hz output too.
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post #66 of 2029
1/11/08 at 8:20am
thats just down right sexy lol...wish my room had such a nice reponse :P
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post #67 of 2029
1/11/08 at 9:28am
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Originally Posted by Jesse S View Post

Flat to 10hz is so 2007

Or even 2003.

Oops! How could I forget... ~2000 and 1999.
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post #68 of 2029
1/11/08 at 9:52am
:d
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post #69 of 2029
1/11/08 at 10:21am
Maybe not totally flat, but pretty good IMO
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post #70 of 2029
1/11/08 at 1:16pm
I got back from the CES show this morning.

I saw the prototype subwoofer at T.H.E Show on Tuesday morning, and was also quite impressed. I currently own a VTF2-MK2 in my 16.5X12.5 subwoofer.

It impressed me so much that I am looking at upgrading the the VTF3-MK3 HO + MBM-12. But perhaps I should wait to see the progress with this new subwoofer. Shipping Hsu subwoofers to Canada is a pain in the butt so not sure I want to do it twice.

Glad to find out that I was not the only one impressed with the demo.
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post #71 of 2029
1/11/08 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by shh1234 View Post

It impressed me so much that I am looking at upgrading the the VTF3-MK3 HO + MBM-12.

Do you know if the MBM-12 was being used with the new prototype during the demos?
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post #72 of 2029
1/11/08 at 2:01pm
After contacting them about the new sub, here's what I got:

"Unfortunately I cannot release any information concerning the new subwoofer.

If you have any additional questions, please feel free to contact us.

Regards,
The Hsu Research Team"

Really unfortunate HSU that you don't even want to give out specs for a product that you probably *want* to sell.... or is it otherwise?
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post #73 of 2029
1/11/08 at 2:06pm
Do you know if the prototype is the same as the final product? They might not want to give out specs on the prototype if the endproduct is going to be substancially different.
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post #74 of 2029
1/11/08 at 3:11pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

Or even 2003.

Oops! How could I forget... ~2000 and 1999.

i remember reading that article in 1999. i think i still have that issue laying around somewhere
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post #75 of 2029
1/11/08 at 9:32pm
"Umm, think about this. Unless they stepped up to use an 18" driver, modifying the response so that you get flat to 10hz would mean terriblly reduced headroom in all bass frequencies. You can't cheat physics."

Not necessarily; it could be a super high excursion driver.

Or you may be right; from the description of the demo, it might not have had anything <20 Hz.
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post #76 of 2029
1/11/08 at 9:41pm
I believe that HSU is coming out with a new sub that will be below 10hz up to 50hz and will pair this with the current MBM-12 which is 50hz to 80hz plus. The MBM-12 puts out some impressive spl across the board.

Bill
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post #77 of 2029
1/11/08 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

Or you may be right; from the description of the demo, it might not have had anything <20 Hz.

Well, since they were playing the same Saint-Saëns piece that I've heard at many hi-fi shows before, and it's known to have organ notes below 20Hz, why would you say that ?

John
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post #78 of 2029
1/11/08 at 11:31pm
Ya, that's pretty silly considering that their current subs, HO and VTF-3 MK3 go down to 16hz. Makes sense that the new model would be even better.
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post #79 of 2029
1/12/08 at 5:02am
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Originally Posted by shh1234 View Post

I got back from the CES show this morning.

I saw the prototype subwoofer at T.H.E Show on Tuesday morning, and was also quite impressed. I currently own a VTF2-MK2 in my 16.5X12.5 subwoofer.

It impressed me so much that I am looking at upgrading the the VTF3-MK3 HO + MBM-12. But perhaps I should wait to see the progress with this new subwoofer. Shipping Hsu subwoofers to Canada is a pain in the butt so not sure I want to do it twice.

Glad to find out that I was not the only one impressed with the demo.

Sounds very interesting. What are the technical implications when a sub only has to do up to 50Hz, and not worry about the 50-80Hz region.

BTW, I am happy to have the sub(s) shipped to me in Rochester and you could drive down and pick it up. Looks like Canadian shipping costs on HSU products is quite significant. US shipping is far more reasonable.
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post #80 of 2029
1/12/08 at 5:22am
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Originally Posted by Pradeep View Post

Sounds very interesting. What are the technical implications when a sub only has to do up to 50Hz, and not worry about the 50-80Hz region.

Not having to cover 50 to 80hz doesn't change much of anything. Most good subs have no problem covering that area as well as the deeper bass. The 50 to 80hz area is very placement sensitive however.
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post #81 of 2029
1/12/08 at 6:44am
I heard the next model by Hsu is their twin turbo supercharged model, similar to a Ferrari F40. When you play it, the 10HZ output slaps the rug off your father-inlaw's head and plasters it to the glass sliding doors.
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post #82 of 2029
1/12/08 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by neekos View Post

I heard the next model by Hsu is their twin turbo supercharged model, similar to a Ferrari F40. When you play it, the 10HZ output slaps the rug off your father-inlaw's head and plasters it to the glass sliding doors.

Now that would be a great You tube video.
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post #83 of 2029
1/12/08 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

Not having to cover 50 to 80hz doesn't change much of anything. Most good subs have no problem covering that area as well as the deeper bass. The 50 to 80hz area is very placement sensitive however.

You guys are glossing over the implication that this *could* be a sub designed to work in *only* in concert with the MBM-12. Just like the MBM-12 wouldn't be used a lone sub unit.

So, this new one would be a dual driver, dual box unit, with each covering different freq ranges...say, 10-50Hz and 50-80Hz. Frankly, doesn't it make sense that by doing so, you could design a driver to be much more effective (headroom/spl/distortion/whatevermetricyouwant) down in the 10-50Hz range by alleviating the unit of the duties and requirements of working the 50-80Hz range? If this is true, it could be a logical extension of the MBM concept...

LBM (Low Bass Module) + MBM (Mid Bass Module) = TBM (Theater Ballistic Missile...erm...Total Bass Module)?

I just don't think this is that outlandish; it could be interesting...
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post #84 of 2029
1/12/08 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by neekos View Post

I heard the next model by Hsu is their twin turbo supercharged model, similar to a Ferrari F40. When you play it, the 10HZ output slaps the rug off your father-inlaw's head and plasters it to the glass sliding doors.

lol, great image.
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post #85 of 2029
1/12/08 at 7:49am
Works for me. I crossover to my sub at 40 Hz.
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post #86 of 2029
1/12/08 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by jonnyozero3 View Post

You guys are glossing over the implication that this *could* be a sub designed to work in *only* in concert with the MBM-12. Just like the MBM-12 wouldn't be used a lone sub unit.

Yes it could be, but why? An excuse to sell two units instead of one? There is no reason a sub that plays to 10hz can't do 50 to 80 as well.
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post #87 of 2029
1/12/08 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by mojomike View Post

Yes it could be, but why? An excuse to sell two units instead of one? There is no reason a sub that plays to 10hz can't do 50 to 80 as well.

"There is no reason a sub that plays to 10hz can't do 50 to 80 as well." - You're right, but it's like a normal speaker, all else equal, two drivers with separate freq range duties, optimized for those freq ranges, should do it better than an all-in-one single driver setup. I mean, a normal sub might hit 10Hz at 90 dB(random number), but be able to hit 115 dB at 50-80 Hz...wouldn't it be beneficial to be able to hit 115 dB for the entire 10-80 Hz range?

Seems to me a logical extension of the MBM concept: Use the light/fast driver for 50-80Hz, then have a heavy/robust driver to slam the 10-50Hz range. I'm talking much robust than your typical bottom-dwelling sub we talk about around here...which this unit would be, if it's hitting 10Hz as hard as is being implied.

We're just talking hypothetical here. I'm just trying to say the concept has merit. We'll have to wait and see what's announced and released...
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post #88 of 2029
1/12/08 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by jonnyozero3 View Post

"There is no reason a sub that plays to 10hz can't do 50 to 80 as well." - You're right, but it's like a normal speaker, all else equal, two drivers with separate freq range duties, optimized for those freq ranges, should do it better than an all-in-one single driver setup. I mean, a normal sub might hit 10Hz at 90 dB(random number), but be able to hit 115 dB at 50-80 Hz...wouldn't it be beneficial to be able to hit 115 dB for the entire 10-80 Hz range?

Seems to me a logical extension of the MBM concept: Use the light/fast driver for 50-80Hz, then have a heavy/robust driver to slam the 10-50Hz range. I'm talking much robust than your typical bottom-dwelling sub we talk about around here...which this unit would be, if it's hitting 10Hz as hard as is being implied.

We're just talking hypothetical here. I'm just trying to say the concept has merit. We'll have to wait and see what's announced and released...

Yeh, and to be able to bring the 2 subs in around a grand would be quite a coup. There wouldn't be a sub out now that could match them.

Bill
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post #89 of 2029
1/12/08 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by Mark Seaton View Post

Or even 2003.

Oops! How could I forget... ~2000 and 1999.

Mark,

We need some of your sub in the Los Angeles area to try out.
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post #90 of 2029
1/12/08 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by Jesse S View Post

Flat to 10hz is so 2007



HSU is a pretty leading edge company though. Always good new ideas coming from them.

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