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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
I have a '98 Honda Accord 4 dr with stock system (6 sp. double din CD/Radio).

I am planning on replacing all the units to get a better sound off of it and also, to be able to listen to music off my iPhone.

Here are the units that I have so far considered:

HU Alpine CDA-9886
rear sp. Infinity Kappa 693.7i
fr. Comp. Infinity Reference 6020cs
amp Alpine MRP-F550
amp sub Alpine MRP-M450
sub Not sure

I listen to all kinds of music (from rock to rap to international music). I do listen to more and more of KERA (PBS radio station) and one or two AM radio stations as well.

I went to BB and was totally disappointed with their availability as far as different models. I was surprised that CC don't carry Alpine, at least not the store that I went to. Car Toys was good, but was a tad shady as far as all the installation charges that were being added. They said that Alpine units were all iPhone friendly (BB said they were not) and upon testing, it did not seem like Alpine HU's were totally iPhone compatible (at least the ones that had cables hooked to them).

Now, I have zero experience with car stereo installation but I am willing to work with Crutchfield and get the hardware from them.

Compatibility with iPhone is a must (for that, I am willing to wait until they come up with such units). Per Alpine site, 9886 and 9874 are iPhone compatible but the person that I spoke at Crutchfield was confident that I would have to turn the phone to airplane mode in order to connect it (static free or not) to the Alpine HU units.

I don't want to rattle the car parked next to me, but I expect good quality clean sound off of my system. Please note that I am no audiophile and would like to spend within a $1K~$1.5k as far as total costs are concerned.

Thanks in advance
post #2 of 13
Thread Starter 
After reading Razel's reply on another similar thread, I am seriously considering NOT upgrading the rear speakers. If they are not important, why waste money on'em.

In that case, now I am confused if the Alpine MRP-F550 will be tough enough to power a (or a couple of) subs as well as the (front) component speakers. What would you suggest?

Goatwuss, I believe I did listen to a set of Focal components (@$270ish) and preferred the Infinity to them (again, I am no audiophile, just my ears at that time with that kind of music)....

It seems (from looking at Crutchfield videos) replacing the head unit should be rather simple. Installing components on door and on the dash (that's where the stock tweeter is at) and installing amplifier is not going to be such a piece of cake.

If I dump the two listed above, then I am looking @$800.00 plus all the nuts, bolts and cables and what not, assuming that I start opening up my car by myself.

Is it crucial to replace all (front one at this point) speaker cables? The gentleman at Car Toys insisted that I replace all speaker cables....

Please advise
post #3 of 13
I would def do all your speakers, Have you seen the stock speakers in your car. Why anyone would want to leave those in there I dont understand. Its really a personal taste kinda thing but just like home audio there isnt a lot to demo. But alot of people seem to like Boston acoustics,polk,etc

As far as Sub goes take a look at maybe 10" box if you want to keep it simple. I have always liked JL for car subs and alot of people would agree.

I would check a car audio forum for reviews on different speakers to see if you can find what you like
post #4 of 13
get the best your money can buy on the front set up of componets, no need for a rear fill, only a sub, or 2.
post #5 of 13
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Originally Posted by wagsgt View Post

I would def do all your speakers, Have you seen the stock speakers in your car. Why anyone would want to leave those in there I dont understand.

Car audio is almost always stereo so there is no source material specifically for the rear speakers. Rear speakers IMO are only useful for two reasons; the first is to get a larger woofer in instances where you can't fit large speakers in the front of the vehicle (not a concern with a Honda), and second if you have people riding in the rear seats so they don't continually bug you to turn up the stereo. In the latter case I figure let them suffer as this will teach them to be quicker on the "shotgun" call next time. Instead it is usually better to put that money in better quality front speakers where it will make a difference.
post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by lilredjetdiwagon View Post

In that case, now I am confused if the Alpine MRP-F550 will be tough enough to power a (or a couple of) subs as well as the (front) component speakers. What would you suggest?

It should have plenty of power for front speakers. For a sub, it may be a little small depending on which sub you choose. Keep in mind that you will have to run a 4 ohm sub on that amp. It might be best to purchase a 2 channel amp along with a monoblock amp for the sub.

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Originally Posted by lilredjetdiwagon View Post

Goatwuss, I believe I did listen to a set of Focal components (@$270ish) and preferred the Infinity to them (again, I am no audiophile, just my ears at that time with that kind of music)....

I've never been a fan of Focal speakers. They are way too harsh sounding, lack midbass, and didn't have very good imaging. If you are looking for other suggestions you really should take a listen to Diamond Audio speakers. They have a smooth top end with great midbass performance. They are spendy though.

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Originally Posted by lilredjetdiwagon View Post

Installing components on door and on the dash (that's where the stock tweeter is at) and installing amplifier is not going to be such a piece of cake.

If you can, try mounting the tweeter closer to the midrange. This will reduce lobing issues at the crossover point.


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Originally Posted by lilredjetdiwagon View Post

Is it crucial to replace all (front one at this point) speaker cables? The gentleman at Car Toys insisted that I replace all speaker cables....

It is not crucial at all. I highly doubt you will hear a difference by replacing the wire. I used to work at a Car Toys and the salesman there were only experts at padding their wallets.

I wanted to throw out a great suggestion for a subwoofer. You really should check out the Shiva-X by Exodus Audio http://http://www.diycable.com/main/...roducts_id=653
It uses the XBL^2 motor topology for extremely low distortion. You won't find a better performer for anywhere near that price.
post #7 of 13
You are forgetting two crucial aspects when dealing with car audio, external (road) noise and resonant frequencies of sheet metal.
Check out http://www.sounddeadenershowdown.com/. This may be important when considering the quality of your music.
Also, the less you need to turn up the volume, the less potential distortion and the longer your ears will live.
post #8 of 13
1) no need to replace speaker wire. what is there should be fine.
2) no need to have rear speakers, all they do is ruin the soundstage.
3) spend some money and at least deaden the doors some (and the trunk lid).
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks to all of you for your time and replies

I was kind of giving up hope of getting any advice and stopped checking the thread for a while. Most likely the email notification isn't working either.

Tried to find a few car audio websites they were too hardcore for my goal

I will take a couple of days to read around a little bit more and then will bite the bullet
  • rear speakers are out
  • need to listen to a few more sets of components as well as subs
  • find out more about sound dampening material

Thanks again and will get back to you guys
post #10 of 13
ECLIPSE makes really good decks, they are really clean, they just dont have all the other bs associated with other HU's.
post #11 of 13
Check out www.the12volt.com for a great car audio related forum.
post #12 of 13
If I was you i would either get a dd sub or a treo but the problem with that is they need at least 500-1200 watts rms to run. but i have a price on 2 treo TE10" dual 4ohms in tyler and the price is 250ea. if you want the DD (digital Designs 2500a will run you 259.99. the treo you can find at stereo and video center in tyler on south broadway. and the DD subs can be found a Performance audio on North Broadway. These subs are claimed to be the best sub made in America so i will give you the site to check them out. Treoengineering.com and DDaudio.com
post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
OK guys. First of all thanks a lot for your input

This is what I have installed so far:

My iPhone is connected to the HU with the supplied Alpine KCE-422i and my iRiver Clix is also connected to the HU with using Alpine KCA-121B Auxiliary Input Adapter.

The sound is amazing

Omar from Lewisville did an outstanding job of installing the hardware once I drove my car to him that was literally in pieces (started to install the stuff on my own and at one time realized it was tad bit too much for me).

As soon as he fired up the system, he told me that there was not enough bass as 90w @4ohm was not at all sufficient to drive the 300w RMS sub.

Then when I call Crutchfield, they (including the salesman) say that that is a true statement. Now that I see my original post, I was all for running two amps, one for the fronts and one for the sub.

Also, even 18w RMS from the HU that is powering the rear OEM speakers is causing somewhat of distortion, so I am contemplating replacing the rear speakers with most likely JL Audio TR690-TXi or JL Audio VR690-CXi.

I did take the opportunity and add Dynamat 10435 Xtreme Door Kit to the front doors that house the components. I believe it makes a great difference!! Oh, Omar took the trouble of installing the tweeter close the woofer on the front as suggest by all you gurus out here

Now, my question to all of you: what amp to run the subs as I am having to run the subwoofer lever on HU to almost full to hear any bass at all. Granted, I am not playing it too loud as I am trying to gently break-in my 12" boom box.

Please note that my sub should run at 50~500w RMS per Crutchfield website and 300W RMS per JL Audio website:

Please also note that all power ratings are based on 14.4v, 12v will result in lower output.

Will ask the 12volt gurus as well.

Please let me know what you guys think. As always, thanks a lot for your inputs
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