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If the new Blu-Ray player I get cannot decode Dobly True HD and my receiver can

post #1 of 39
1/11/08 at 6:28am
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Will i get dolby true hd sound?
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post #2 of 39
1/11/08 at 6:33am
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Will i get dolby true hd sound?

If your Blu-ray player can pass Dolby TrueHD bitstream via HDMI to the receiver, then Yes. If not, then No.

-Terry
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post #3 of 39
1/11/08 at 8:32am
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If your Blu-ray player can pass Dolby TrueHD bitstream via HDMI to the receiver, then Yes. If not, then No.

-Terry

my receiver(denon 887) can decode it to multichannel/PCM. Im going to be switching over from hd-dvd and im having a hard time deciding what to buy, looking for one under $500.
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post #4 of 39
1/11/08 at 8:38am
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my receiver(denon 887) can decode it to multichannel/PCM. Im going to be switching over from hd-dvd and im having a hard time deciding what to buy, looking for one under $500.

You'll need to purchase a player that decodes in your case.
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post #5 of 39
1/11/08 at 9:45am
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my receiver(denon 887) can decode it to multichannel/PCM. Im going to be switching over from hd-dvd and im having a hard time deciding what to buy, looking for one under $500.

To clarify that Donnie Eldridge said:

Your AVR is only HDMI v1.1 and does not have a TrueHD, DD+, DTS-HD/MA decoder. So you will need a player that does the decoding internally and outputs LPCM (which your player does accept over HDMI in).

Make sure the player specs says "Decodes TrueHD" and not just "bitstream the new codecs including TrueHD". The first indicates the player is doing the decoding. The second indicates the player is sending the raw compressed audio to a compatible receiver (HDMI v1.3).

Right now the only player in your budget that decodes all the new codecs internally would be the Panasonic DMP-BD50 which hasn't been release yet. It was announced at CES and while MSRP wasn't given it likely will retail for around $500-$600 (based on comments that it will be slightly more than the BD30).
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post #6 of 39
1/11/08 at 10:10am
FYI, you might want to give the 40GB PS3 a serious look, too. Currently, it can decode Dolby TrueHD but cannot decode DTS-HD MA...but a lot of people are speculating/saying (including BD insiders) that Sony will release a firmware update that includes DTS-HD MA decoding.

I just went format neutral and bought the 40GB PS3 two days ago and am loving it. The only other BD player I was considering was the Panny BD50 since it has both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA internal decoders. Apparently, this is the first standalone BD player that will be able to decode both internally.

FWIW, my setup is: PS3 --> Denon 2807 --> Panny 50" plasma (all via HDMI). Like others have said, since your receiver can't decode TrueHD and DTS-HD MA, you'll need a player that decodes it internally and sends the LPCM signal to your receiver via HDMI.
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post #7 of 39
1/11/08 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by koolio View Post

FYI, you might want to give the 40GB PS3 a serious look, too. Currently, it can decode Dolby TrueHD but cannot decode DTS-HD MA...but a lot of people are speculating/saying (including BD insiders) that Sony will release a firmware update that includes DTS-HD MA decoding.

I just went format neutral and bought the 40GB PS3 two days ago and am loving it. The only other BD player I was considering was the Panny BD50 since it has both Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA internal decoders. Apparently, this is the first standalone BD player that will be able to decode both internally.

FWIW, my setup is: PS3 --> Denon 2807 --> Panny 50" plasma (all via HDMI). Like others have said, since your receiver can't decode TrueHD and DTS-HD MA, you'll need a player that decodes it internally and sends the LPCM signal to your receiver via HDMI.

The A3 i currently have shows on my 887 as multichannel, what is the format then?
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post #8 of 39
1/11/08 at 10:22am
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The A3 i currently have shows on my 887 as multichannel, what is the format then?

Whatever audio codec you are selecting decoded and sent to your receiver (Multichannel PCM).

IE, if you select DD+, the A-3 decodes it and then sends uncompressed PCM to your receiver. IE, the player is doing the decoding, the receiver is just playing back the "unzipped" stream of audio.

FWIW, the PS3 would operate very similarly to your A-3 re: audio. It decodes the audio in the PS3 and passes the audio to the receiver exactly like your A-3 does.

Currently, based on your equipment, I'd recommend a PS3 for your BD playback device.
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post #9 of 39
1/11/08 at 10:40am
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what about the samsung bdp-1400? , it seems to do everything i want it to do
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post #10 of 39
1/11/08 at 10:43am
You definitely don't want any Sammy.
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post #11 of 39
1/11/08 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by Donnie Eldridge View Post

You definitely don't want any Sammy.

Yeah, trust him on this. Of all of the BD CEs they are definitely the worst of the bunch.

Right now, the Panny 30 and the PS3 is on the short list.

Perhaps some of these players coming out of CES will fit the bill, but for now, those two I can recommend with no reservations. But based on your equipment, the PS3 is the best way to go.
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post #12 of 39
1/11/08 at 11:12am
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Yeah, trust him on this. Of all of the BD CEs they are definitely the worst of the bunch.

Right now, the Panny 30 and the PS3 is on the short list.

Perhaps some of these players coming out of CES will fit the bill, but for now, those two I can recommend with no reservations. But based on your equipment, the PS3 is the best way to go.

Panny 30 has no internal decoder. His receiver can't decode the audio. Why would he want a Panny 30? Panny 50 would be a perfect fit but it hasn't been released yet.
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post #13 of 39
1/11/08 at 11:16am
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Panny 30 has no internal decoder. His receiver can't decode the audio. Why would he want a Panny 30? Panny 50 would be a perfect fit but it hasn't been released yet.

so let me get this straight once and for all

The PS3 can decode Dolby True HD which my receiver would show as Multichannel, but the PS3 cannot decode Dolby DTS-HD but may be able to in the future via an update.

Honestly guys i just dont want worse sound than i have now(not that the a3 is bad, i actually love it but i'd would like at least its equal sound quality when switching to blu-ray)
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post #14 of 39
1/11/08 at 11:18am
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so let me get this straight once and for all

The PS3 can decode Dolby True HD which my receiver would show as Multichannel, but the PS3 cannot decode Dolby DTS-HD but may be able to in the future via an update.

Honestly guys i just dont want worse sound than i have now(not that the a3 is bad, i actually love it but i'd would like at least its equal sound quality when switching to blu-ray)

Yep, you got it.

And as I stated before, the BD-30 is a nice player, but based on your equipment you already have, (ie the lack of an internal decoder for the BD-30), I'd have to recommend the PS3.
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post #15 of 39
1/11/08 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by eskimo2176 View Post

Yep, you got it.

And as I stated before, the BD-30 is a nice player, but based on your equipment you already have, (ie the lack of an internal decoder for the BD-30), I'd have to recommend the PS3.

thanks, im leaning towards the PS3 now

Would the BDPS300 be an option to consider also?, It seems really only all it is missing other than the PS3 is being a game system and dolby THD(also 10 free dvd's 5 instore and 5 mail)

The PS3 does Dolby Digital Plus and DTS of course right?
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post #16 of 39
1/11/08 at 12:03pm
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thanks, im leaning towards the PS3 now

Would the BDPS300 be an option to consider also?, It seems really only all it is missing other than the PS3 is being a game system and dolby THD(also 10 free dvd's 5 instore and 5 mail)

BDPS300 can decode neither TrueHD or DTS-HD/MA so you would be "stuck" with 640K DD & 1.5Mbps DTS for every movie. It really depends on how much audio is important to you. I am assuming that based on your purchase of a Denon AVR it is.

I think I will work on a FAQ for BD audio like I made for HD DVD audio.

Decode TrueHD (but not DTS-HD/MA) Internally:
Sony BDP-S1
Sony PS3
Panny DMP-BD10
Pioneer Elite HD1
Sharp BD-HP20U
Samsung BD-UP5000 (combo player)
Samsung BD-P1400

Decode TrueHD & DTS-HD/MA Internally:
Panasonic DMP-BD50 (announced - not released yet)
Denon 2500 (announced - not released yet)

Decode Neither and bitstream neither:
Sony BDP-S300

Decode Neither Internally (bitstream output only):
Sony ES BDP-S2000ES
LG BH200 (combo player)
Sony BDP-S500
Panasonic DMP-BD30

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The PS3 does Dolby Digital Plus and DTS of course right?

The PS3 and EVERY BD player is required to decode DD (up to 640K) and DTS (up to 1.5Mbps).
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post #17 of 39
1/11/08 at 12:22pm
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post #18 of 39
1/11/08 at 12:37pm
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Sadly i think the PS3 will be off the list, I don think i could live with having to use a separate remote or have a IR USB dongle hanging from the front of it, I bought my 880 to control everything

What would be the next best choice? BD30k?
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post #19 of 39
1/11/08 at 12:42pm
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Sadly i think the PS3 will be off the list, I don think i could live with having to use a separate remote or have a IR USB dongle hanging from the front of it, I bought my 880 to control everything

What would be the next best choice? BD30k?

Won't work in your case. The BD30 doesn't internally decode advanced audio and neither does your Denon.
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post #20 of 39
1/11/08 at 1:01pm
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Won't work in your case. The BD30 doesn't internally decode advanced audio and neither does your Denon.

yes i knew that, but that would give me an excuse to upgrade my receiver in a couple months

Also one thought i had, I just bought a Sony KDS60A3000, in the menu options i see that i can control other HDMI equipment, is the PS3 one of these HDMI components I can take control of through the tv? , Also if i can would the PS3 have to be directly connected to the tv or would the tv still detect it through the denon?

If i could control the PS3 via the tv then i think i would be all set
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post #21 of 39
1/11/08 at 1:21pm
The feature you're talking about, HDMI-CEC, is one of the optional features of HDMI 1.3. The others being Deep Color and HBR bitstreaming. Since we're fairly certain the PS3 doesn't support bitstreaming, and they haven't mentioned CEC, I'm going to guess they don't support it.
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post #22 of 39
1/11/08 at 1:26pm
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ive decided on the BD30K since i will get 10 free movies and 12% off from BB

If I dont like it , i will return it to BB for the PS3

Ill let you know in a few hours how i like it!
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post #23 of 39
1/11/08 at 3:34pm
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got there and they didnt have any

I think i would have changed my mind anyway, i started looking at the Sony S500 and immediately came back home to look up some reviews. It says it decodes them internally so how does this not work for what i need?
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post #24 of 39
1/11/08 at 3:49pm
The S500 decodes TrueHD, but not DTS-HD MA.
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post #25 of 39
1/11/08 at 3:52pm
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Originally Posted by Donnie Eldridge View Post

The S500 decodes TrueHD, but not DTS-HD MA.

i think i may just end this all and go get it

$530 after the coupon and 10 dvd's
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post #26 of 39
1/11/08 at 5:48pm
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i think i may just end this all and go get it

$530 after the coupon and 10 dvd's

well that was a friggin wash

The guy tells me that it was $599 a few hours back, so i go to the store figuring thats what it is and with my 10% off ill get a good deal.

I get there, its actually $699, they will price match the circuit thats 20 feet away but wont give me the 5 free instore dvd's

Now im thinking of going with the BD30 again

So i guess in the end i will lose audio quality going from a HD-A3 that i paid $200 for to a $500 Blu Ray player (with my system at least)
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post #27 of 39
1/11/08 at 6:37pm
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well that was a friggin wash

The guy tells me that it was $599 a few hours back, so i go to the store figuring thats what it is and with my 10% off ill get a good deal.

I get there, its actually $699, they will price match the circuit thats 20 feet away but wont give me the 5 free instore dvd's

Now im thinking of going with the BD30 again

So i guess in the end i will lose audio quality going from a HD-A3 that i paid $200 for to a $500 Blu Ray player (with my system at least)

What about Sharp's Blu-ray player?
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post #28 of 39
1/11/08 at 6:54pm
Check this out: http://www.idoblu.co.uk/page2%20Blu-ray%20Players.html
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post #29 of 39
1/11/08 at 7:12pm
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Check this out: http://www.idoblu.co.uk/page2%20Blu-ray%20Players.html

Bad news is there is a LOT wrong with that chart. Shows most players can decode DTS-HD - wrong. Shows Denon 2500 as having analog out - wrong. Shows lots of players as 2.0 when they are 1.1. Shows some players as internal decoding when they are bitstream only.
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post #30 of 39
1/12/08 at 5:50am
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Alright thanks for the info guys, The bd30 is yet again out because it cant decode internally, and honestly i dont think ill have the money for a new receiver for another year so im going to get something that can decode at least 1 of the 2 for now, and if within a month something else is released ill exchange it for that.

Right now its either the

Sharp HP20U - for $450 with 10 free movies
or
Sony S500 for $599 with 5 free movies.

long shot is the PS3 but I really would like to have some movies to watch you know, and the whole remote thing turns me off. Although the web browser interest me.

**EDIT** crap now I can feel the PS3 hype again because it would be great to be able to browse the web from it
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