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Originally Posted by Lee Bombard View Post

What is HDTV Premier Advantage? A search of BB site doesn't reveal much ifo...

Thanks

BB's name for their additional stacking discounts if you also buy DirectTV, Blu-Ray, Installation, etc at the same time as the TV.

Plus, you can stack Reward Zone points. If the double points holiday offer is still going, that's another $80 or so in store credit.
post #62 of 319
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Pick and choose here:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....&type=category

I ended up going back in to complain that I wasn't offered this and if I was offered, I would have bought a blu-ray player. Ended up getting my tv for $100 off the current sale price and picked up a blu-ray player with the 5 free movies in-store and 5 via mail-in rebate. Used my triple points coupon as well, but I think that only applied to my Blu-Ray purchase...

Just a note with the bundling discounts. They take the money off the tv price, not off whatever you're bundling with it. This will only affect you if you decide to return just the tv. You'll have less money to work with for a different tv.
post #63 of 319
I just went to the Home Theater website. Apparently they think the PDP-6010FD is better. What is better than the king? The president?
post #64 of 319
This thread is a laugh. Taking about a tv that originally listed for more than all the other tvs it's compared too and then it's supposed to be a surprise that it's better? Come on! If it was priced below the Panasonics and Samsungs it always gets compared too...THAT would be noteworthy. Sure now at the sale price it's certainly something to consider, but it's price was lowered for a reason.
post #65 of 319
I think Pioneer PDPs are great, but their business model has something left to be desired. There is a reason Pioneer doesn't sell more displays. Pioneer themselves have stated they had a less thna stellar year. They hover at the "high end" range in price and performance, but compete with companies that offer almost as much bang for much less buck...at least to the masses. Most people are not nearly as discerning as us.

Marketing is a strong tool. Wheather it is true or not, the general public thinks a 720p display is of lesser quality than a 1080p display. A 720p Elite is a much harder sell than a less costly 1080p Panisonic...let a lone an even cheaper 720p Panisonic. In Best Buy, the average customer will not see enough difference between a Panisonic or a Pioneer to warrent the price difference. The 5080 was on my short list, but other factors caused me to go with another choice. I can see how in that price range it would be at the top.
post #66 of 319
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Originally Posted by Maximum7 View Post

Sure now at the sale price it's certainly something to consider, but it's price was lowered for a reason.

Because the masses have been sold on the thought that 1080p automatically means better PQ. So why make 720p/768p panels anymore if most people will not buy them.
post #67 of 319
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This thread is a laugh. Taking about a tv that originally listed for more than all the other tvs it's compared too and then it's supposed to be a surprise that it's better? Come on! If it was priced below the Panasonics and Samsungs it always gets compared too...THAT would be noteworthy. Sure now at the sale price it's certainly something to consider, but it's price was lowered for a reason.

I'm pleased you found the humor in this thread. It was completely my intention to be over-the-top with my headline and have some fun with it and generate discussion.

I edited my original post with the original MSRPs. Yes, Pioneer is the highest price set along with the Panasonic at $3500. But there are also 2 $3300 sets. What about size? Shouldn't that be a factor? How come only a 50" set beat out a 60" and 61" set? I thought bigger was always better? Hmmm....seems to me that it's impossible to ever have a "completely fair" showdown. I thought they did a pretty good job in this article. Don't bash it until you've read it.
post #68 of 319
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Originally Posted by flood222 View Post

I just went to the Home Theater website. Apparently they think the PDP-6010FD is better. What is better than the king? The president?

Great point! Then what about the Elites? Does that make them God?
post #69 of 319
I think this article proves exactly the trend you see all around these forums. If you situation dictates that you need 1080p, you will be happy with the Panisonic in this price range. If you don't need 1080p the 5080 is your best choice. Easy.
post #70 of 319
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Don't bash it until you've read it.

I'm not bashing anything. My point it should be expected that more money buys you a better tv. Pioneer is priced higher than the tvs they get compared to. They should be better. Please don't put words in my posts that I haven't.

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I thought bigger was always better?

I would hope that bigger is the need for distance of viewing, not because it will be better....with all things being equal including viewing distance.

This thread is like saying. Mercedes is better than Honda...and the point is...moot discussion that has already been covered in plenty of other threads.
post #71 of 319
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Originally Posted by Industrialstr View Post

It was apparently like the BCS championship...

Put the SEC up against some budget conferences - like the Big 10

Here Here!!! Not to get off track though...
post #72 of 319
Not surprising. Most people sit 8-10ft+ and you'll notice things like color depth much more than resolution. Not to say you can't have the best of both world though... 5010
post #73 of 319
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Originally Posted by Allen050 View Post

Here Here!!! Not to get off track though...

Except Florida vs. Michigan of course. I guess they should have brought the 1080p Florida team instead.
post #74 of 319
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Originally Posted by omeletpants View Post

Yeah, it's a DLP, not plasma. Fair comparison I'm shocked to see Panasonic near the top of any list. Maybe this is Stevie Wonder's list?

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This guy- my god, what did Panasonic do to you? You go out of your way to post garbage and nonsense everywhere. When people call you out in the threads you disappear.

Right On! I've tried to say this many times but the mods always get me
post #75 of 319
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Originally Posted by PontifexMaximus View Post

Great point! Then what about the Elites? Does that make them God?

Some would say yes
post #76 of 319
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Originally Posted by DPowers View Post

I think Pioneer PDPs are great, but their business model has something left to be desired. There is a reason Pioneer doesn't sell more displays. Pioneer themselves have stated they had a less thna stellar year. They hover at the "high end" range in price and performance, but compete with companies that offer almost as much bang for much less buck...at least to the masses. Most people are not nearly as discerning as us.

Marketing is a strong tool. Wheather it is true or not, the general public thinks a 720p display is of lesser quality than a 1080p display. A 720p Elite is a much harder sell than a less costly 1080p Panisonic...let a lone an even cheaper 720p Panisonic. In Best Buy, the average customer will not see enough difference between a Panisonic or a Pioneer to warrent the price difference. The 5080 was on my short list, but other factors caused me to go with another choice. I can see how in that price range it would be at the top.

that is why they are backlogged with the kuros at certain places??
post #77 of 319
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Originally Posted by RomanInvision View Post

Some would say yes

except that most would call me god... i wish
post #78 of 319
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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

that is why they are backlogged with the kuros at certain places??

"Pioneer said the new earnings estimate, which would be its worst result ever, was mainly the result of losses linked to its decision to reduce production of plasma display panels, where severe price competition is eating into profits - and costs related to the job cuts"

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/...ss/pioneer.php

You need to type with your mind and not with your heart my friend. No one is taking anything away Pioneer, but it is what it is.
post #79 of 319
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Originally Posted by DPowers View Post

"Pioneer said the new earnings estimate, which would be its worst result ever, was mainly the result of losses linked to its decision to reduce production of plasma display panels, where severe price competition is eating into profits - and costs related to the job cuts"

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/12/...ss/pioneer.php

You need to type with your mind and not with your heart my friend. No one is taking anything away Pioneer, but it is what it is.

You are linking to a report from December 2005, more than two years ago. What does that have to do with their current situation?
post #80 of 319
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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

You are linking to a report from December 2005, more than two years ago. What does that have to do with their current situation?

What's the deal? This is no secret. Do a search. It's easy. I have nothing against Pioneer, but losses are losses. The Kuro line didn't cause more losses, but definitely hasn't caused any gains. Pioneer has been bleeding money until this quater. Do I hope they do well? I guess, whatever, I don't care. But facts are facts. Unless you don't believe Reuters.

From Pioneers own press release-

"Pioneer is under pressure to turn around its struggling plasma TV operations as losses persist in its home-electronics division and the company faces increasing competition in its car-electronics unit."

Jan 7, 2008

http://www.reuters.com/article/press...42147320080107
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http://pioneer.jp/corp/ir/corp_info/...t/index-e.html

"Operating income was ¥2,262 million, down 80.7% year on year, mainly due to a drop in earnings in the Others segment and worsening profitability in plasma displays, despite higher earnings in the Car Electronics business."
post #82 of 319
I'm presuming this shoot out was for budget panels, but here is Home Theater Mag's December 2007 issue rating for the Pioneer Pro-110FD:

Build Quality, Value, Features, Performance, Ergonomics, Overall Rating:
96, 91, 98, 98, 96, 96

Nevertheless, I'm definitely picking up their Feb issue.
post #83 of 319
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Originally Posted by BriS2K View Post

I'm presuming this shoot out was for budget panels, but here is Home Theater Mag's December 2007 issue rating for the Pioneer Pro-110FD:

Build Quality, Value, Features, Performance, Ergonomics, Overall Rating:
96, 91, 98, 98, 96, 96

Nevertheless, I'm definitely picking up their Feb issue.

If only 1080p Kuros were within my price range, but alas, they are not. I really hope Pioneer gets wise and puts out some lower budget 1080p models with similar if not the same performance. They shouldn't worry so much about slimming the size of the pannel, but slimming down price. I think if both the Panisonic and Pioneer 1080p models were in the same price range it would have be a no brainer.

I would have definitely bought a 1080p Pioneer if it were under 2500. It would sell like fricken hot cakes!
post #84 of 319
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Originally Posted by DPowers View Post

If only 1080p Kuros were within my price range, but alas, they are not. I really hope Pioneer gets wise and puts out some lower budget 1080p models with similar if not the same performance. They shouldn't worry so much about slimming the size of the pannel, but slimming down price. I think if both the Panisonic and Pioneer 1080p models were in the same price range it would have be a no brainer.

I would have definitely bought a 1080p Pioneer if it were under 2500. It would sell like fricken hot cakes!

why drop the price when it is already selling like hot cakes? Some people may not be willing to buy it now, but enough people compensate for those people.
edit:IT would also make them lose more money
post #85 of 319
I admit I wouldn't have paid the premium for one until the 5080 fell through the floor, but after seeing mine.... jeez, nothing but a kuro is a consideration from now on

seeing these in the store doesn't sell it, they basically just need to advertise "there's kuro, then everything else" because that's true
post #86 of 319
Did someone say Pioneer makes budget panels in anything? 5080 is not a Budget Panel and never has been comparatively, whereas D64 is the low end tier totally intended for budget level consumers as it's 100% Mexico build.

BTW Michigan did beat that SEC Team Florida! Ohio State doesn't know how to defend a spread - MI learned the hard way and now will evolve to become one themselves.

Kuro is a great panel deemed by many but I've yet to see any greatness in it whatsoever during five reviews I found the 71 series and XBR4 superior. Can anyone imagine the sheeite fit fanboys would have had something actually trumped the Kuro? The Kuro seems to have become a sanctified religion on this forum a status Panasonic held a few years ago when I followed their fanboy advice that proved worthless and costly at the same time buying into the fan base when it doesn't match your personal preference and I don't touch the stove a second time with plasma. Enjoy and flame on!
post #87 of 319
An LCD, superior, uhhh? In what?
post #88 of 319
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Originally Posted by coltsfreak18 View Post

why drop the price when it is already selling like hot cakes? Some people may not be willing to buy it now, but enough people compensate for those people.
edit:IT would also make them lose more money

Seemed to work for Panisonic and Samsung...the #1 and #2 plasma companies in the world. Not to mention Vizio outselling all the other LCD manufacturers because of the business model.

Actually, Pioneer has a similar business model as another hight end PDP manufacturer...Fujitsu. Hmmmmmm...didn't they just stop making plasmas for some reason?
post #89 of 319
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Originally Posted by DPowers View Post

Seemed to work for Panisonic and Samsung...the #1 and #2 plasma companies in the world.

#1 & #2 in 'total sales' plasma companies.
post #90 of 319
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Originally Posted by DPowers View Post

I think Pioneer PDPs are great, but their business model has something left to be desired. There is a reason Pioneer doesn't sell more displays. Pioneer themselves have stated they had a less thna stellar year. They hover at the "high end" range in price and performance, but compete with companies that offer almost as much bang for much less buck...at least to the masses. Most people are not nearly as discerning as us.

Marketing is a strong tool. Wheather it is true or not, the general public thinks a 720p display is of lesser quality than a 1080p display. A 720p Elite is a much harder sell than a less costly 1080p Panisonic...let a lone an even cheaper 720p Panisonic. In Best Buy, the average customer will not see enough difference between a Panisonic or a Pioneer to warrent the price difference. The 5080 was on my short list, but other factors caused me to go with another choice. I can see how in that price range it would be at the top.

It's tiring to see people here whine about Pioneer's pricing policy. During their rant they usually make a comment about some nominal PQ difference between the Pioneer and the Panny. So, if there is a huge price difference and minor PQ difference then just buy the Panny and move on.

Truth is they don't really feel that way. They understand the Panasonic picture is much inferior, they just aren't willing to pay for the quality so they criticize the company. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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