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post #1 of 62
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After deciding on the Onkyo 605, I turned my attention to speakers. My intention was to start with a good L/R/C set and later finish off a 5.1 setup. I quickly discovered there are too many companies out there for me to effectively narrow my options down.

Here's what I want in order of priority - please help.
1. Speakers made in the USA
2. Price that won't cause the wife to crap her pants (films are not my only hobby!)
3. Floorstanding L/R
4. Center to match #3
5. Sub to match #3 and #4
6. Satellites to match #3, #4, and #5

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Aaron
post #2 of 62
We need your budget to progress.....
post #3 of 62
It's not necessary to match your sub to your mains/center.
post #4 of 62
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Originally Posted by malovich View Post

We need your budget to progress.....

As Low As Reasonably Achievable (<$1500)
post #5 of 62
USA parts? Or just assembled in the USA? Because it could be a VERY short list.
post #6 of 62
http://www.definitivetech.com/loudsp...nema_1000.html

I personally believe this is the best <$1500 5.1 speaker set you can buy for a small home theater. It's an american company and I'm pretty sure they are built in the US. If you have a local authorized dealer definatly use them, otherwise your nearest Best Buy Magnolia will have them. You should be able to get the whole system around $1200-$1400.

You have lots of options at the $1500 price point. I'm personally *very* fond of the ProCinema 1000.
post #7 of 62
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Originally Posted by openwheelracing View Post

USA parts? Or just assembled in the USA? Because it could be a VERY short list.

I would like products assembled in the US of US made parts, but I realize that is quite unlikely. Assembly in the US would have to be my criterion.
post #8 of 62
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Originally Posted by Tauwolf View Post

http://www.definitivetech.com/loudsp...nema_1000.html

I personally believe this is the best <$1500 5.1 speaker set you can buy for a small home theater. It's an american company and I'm pretty sure they are built in the US. If you have a local authorized dealer definatly use them, otherwise your nearest Best Buy Magnolia will have them. You should be able to get the whole system around $1200-$1400.

You have lots of options at the $1500 price point. I'm personally *very* fond of the ProCinema 1000.

I'll check it out - Thanks!
post #9 of 62
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Originally Posted by amadkins View Post

I would like products assembled in the US of US made parts, but I realize that is quite unlikely. Assembly in the US would have to be my criterion.

Why is this important to you? You do have a Japanese receiver.
post #10 of 62
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Originally Posted by filmnut View Post

Why is this important to you? You do have a Japanese receiver.

Thank you.

Also, I would check out Aperion, who is an online only dealer. If I had not got on a the NHT special, I would have gone Aperion.
post #11 of 62
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Originally Posted by amadkins View Post

I'll check it out - Thanks!

Those Def Techs are not made in the USA. With your budget, the only assembled in the US speaker I can think of is Ascend Acoustics. Check them out here:

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/

But I think you need a reality check: almost none of this stuff (particularly the low end stuff you're considering) is made in the USA. America has surrendered the mass market to the Chinese. Made in USA means low quantities and high prices. It's basically a cottage industry at this point.
post #12 of 62
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Originally Posted by filmnut View Post

Why is this important to you? You do have a Japanese receiver.

Actually, I think it's Malaysian.
post #13 of 62
Aperion's are great...but they're made in China, not the U.S.A. So if that's your priority, they're out.

As far as I know, SVS assembles their speakers at their factory in Ohio. You can check out their new MTS line.
post #14 of 62
You might want to take a look at elemental designs. They've been getting some positive reviews and I believe they build them in Iowa.
http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/index.php?cPath=2_42
post #15 of 62
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Originally Posted by tonygeno View Post

Actually, I think it's Malaysian.

The Japanese learned the same as the Americans. Design at home, and build overseas. Onkyo is Japanese, so is Marantz, Denon, Panasonic, Pioneer, and Yamaha. But built somewhere else, depending on the equipmente.

Made in the USA can be 100% cheapo parts from China, the North Pole, Antartica, and Dominican Republic, but 51% assembled in a New York City sweatshop. If you believe there are none in the USA (worked by immigrants, mostly illegal), then you believe in fairytales.

BTW, some of the best speakers are not Made in the USA:

GB: Monitor Audio, KEF, etc.

Canada: Energy, PSB, Klipsch, Paradigm, and the list goes on and on.

USA: Axiom, AV123, Aperion, and other ID's design at home, but manufacture somewhere else. AV123 discovered that it was better for them to manufacture in Colombia than in China, as they could keep a closer eye to the process.

Is JBL USA??? This might one of the few alternatives, also Ascend Acoustics, and Salk Sound. And others that are way out of the OP budget.
post #16 of 62
the speakers may be made here but not all the components come from here on most
and the few that are totally made here you could get a new car for what they are
asking a very nice new car.
post #17 of 62
What does the country it's made in have to do with the Quality?
post #18 of 62
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Originally Posted by PR Audio View Post

The Japanese learned the same as the Americans. Design at home, and build overseas. Onkyo is Japanese, so is Marantz, Denon, Panasonic, Pioneer, and Yamaha. But built somewhere else, depending on the equipmente.

Made in the USA can be 100% cheapo parts from China, the North Pole, Antartica, and Dominican Republic, but 51% assembled in a New York City sweatshop. If you believe there are none in the USA (worked by immigrants, mostly illegal), then you believe in fairytales.

BTW, some of the best speakers are not Made in the USA:

GB: Monitor Audio, KEF, etc.

Canada: Energy, PSB, Klipsch, Paradigm, and the list goes on and on.

USA: Axiom, AV123, Aperion, and other ID's design at home, but manufacture somewhere else. AV123 discovered that it was better for them to manufacture in Colombia than in China, as they could keep a closer eye to the process.

Is JBL USA??? This might one of the few alternatives, also Ascend Acoustics, and Salk Sound. And others that are way out of the OP budget.

If this is addressed to me, not sure where I ever said that there were no sweat shops in the US, but whatever. I'm not advocating buying based on where it's assembled but was simply providing additional information to the OP.

BTW, the Outlaw bookshelves, which I own and not because of there they're made but because they sound good, are made in the US (cabinets, assembly, etc) from foreign sourced parts. Not many drivers are made here: many of the good ones come from Norway and Denmark.
post #19 of 62
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Originally Posted by tonygeno View Post

Those Def Techs are not made in the USA. With your budget, the only assembled in the US speaker I can think of is Ascend Acoustics. Check them out here:

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/

But I think you need a reality check: almost none of this stuff (particularly the low end stuff you're considering) is made in the USA. America has surrendered the mass market to the Chinese. Made in USA means low quantities and high prices. It's basically a cottage industry at this point.

Dang, oh well I tried. Elemental Designs and SVS would be my next couple of recommendations (if they pass the USA test....).
post #20 of 62
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Originally Posted by filmnut View Post

Why is this important to you? You do have a Japanese receiver.

I like to support the US tax base. Japanese execs/engineers and malaysian assemblers don't pay taxes to Uncle Sam, so my (and your) tax burden increases. I try to do my part when I can, and I didn't have any choice on the receiver.
post #21 of 62
I have Aperion, and they produce great sound. Also my wife did not crap her pants, they were within my budget.

http://www.aperionaudio.com
post #22 of 62
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Originally Posted by amadkins View Post

I like to support the US tax base. Japanese execs/engineers and malaysian assemblers don't pay taxes to Uncle Sam, so my (and your) tax burden increases. I try to do my part when I can, and I didn't have any choice on the receiver.

Me too. I'd love to buy American made shoes, but $250 to $300 the pair is beyond my budget, I'd love to buy American made suits, but the last one I bought was $600 on sale, I'd love to buy American...well, you get the picture. Americans want cheap, and they want it now, and it's made where they get to have their wants fulfilled.
post #23 of 62
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Originally Posted by tonygeno View Post

If this is addressed to me, not sure where I ever said that there were no sweat shops in the US, but whatever. I'm not advocating buying based on where it's assembled but was simply providing additional information to the OP.

Not addressed to you in any way, also I was being somewhat sarcastic. The OP just mentioned why he rather buy USA, and he has his valid reasons. Personally I couldn't care less, as I live this dilemma daily. As you said we want things now, good quality, and inexpensive. I work with large US Pharmaceutical companies, and large South American mining companies. It is funny how international companies want US Made equipment, because of the higher quality, and they are willing to pay; obviously, when you are in the middle of the Chilean dessert mining copper, and something breaks it takes days to get a replacement, and can cost production time valued at hundreds of thousands of dollars. On the other hand, a pharmaceutical company like Merck, and Johnson & Johnson, accepts import equipment to keep their cost down, but then another one only wants US Made equipment, but manufactures their medicines in Singapore, Ireland, or another country.

Like I said funny, and I couldn't care less. Do admire the OP for keeping to his believes. Even though he bought a japanese receiver.

BTW, Wilson Audio is Made in the USA, in Utah I believe. Take your pick, higher taxes or $12K to $100k+ per pair (awesome speakers); what a dilemma.

Anyways this is an audio forum not politics...Hope you find what you are looking for.
post #24 of 62
Oh, I've got what I'm looking for. I've got speakers made in the USA and made in China and enjoy them every day. You don't need to spend Wilson money to get made in the USA but it's going to be very hard to get American made floorstanders and center for under $1500, which is what the OP was looking for. Reality check is in order.

Used might be an option, if he looks hard enough.
post #25 of 62
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Originally Posted by tonygeno View Post

Oh, I've got what I'm looking for. I've got speakers made in the USA and made in China and enjoy them every day. You don't need to spend Wilson money to get made in the USA but it's going to be very hard to get American made floorstanders and center for under $1500, which is what the OP was looking for. Reality check is in order.

Used might be an option, if he looks hard enough.

My point exactly...You definitely understood what I meant.

BTW, Johnston & Murphy shoes are Made In The USA, and are great with good price, and for a good, not so expensive, american suit try custom made by a local tailor, or Nicholas Joseph (www.nicholas-joseph.com).
post #26 of 62
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Originally Posted by PR Audio View Post

My point exactly...You definitely understood what I meant.

BTW, Johnston & Murphy shoes are Made In The USA, and are great with good price, and for a good, not so expensive, american suit try custom made by a local tailor, or Nicholas Joseph (www.nicholas-joseph.com).

As in everything these days, I think the better priced J&M shoes are made overseas. Many are also made in Italy. I'll check out the suit manufacturer. Allen-Edmonds are still made here but start around $300 the pair.
post #27 of 62
Dude what are you, a union guy or something? If you are, I would love to insult you by telling you that I drive a Honda and I love it. My receivers are Japanese and my speakers are Canadian. Both my TVs are Sony. I love love love my foreign made products. They're made better, last longer, and cost less.

If you're not union......well.....then just lighten up and buy something that's good for your ears not for patriotism.
post #28 of 62
The only speakers made in the USA are Bose.
post #29 of 62
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Originally Posted by Raymond Leggs View Post

The only speakers made in the USA are Bose.

Talk about being over one's head. The idiocy continues.
post #30 of 62
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tonygeno View Post

Oh, I've got what I'm looking for. I've got speakers made in the USA and made in China and enjoy them every day. You don't need to spend Wilson money to get made in the USA but it's going to be very hard to get American made floorstanders and center for under $1500, which is what the OP was looking for. Reality check is in order.

Used might be an option, if he looks hard enough.

I'm starting to think used might be the way to go.
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