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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
This is a MULTIPLE CHOICE Poll so please check each that you have seen.

It would be nice to hear some of members recollections.

Here is the list:

1. Technicolor - 3 strip filming process
2. Cinerama - 3 strip 3mm
3. Todd-AO - 65/70mm @ 30 FPS
4. Super Panavision - 65mm negative with 70mm prints (AKA; Panavision Super 70)
5. Ultra Panavision - Anamorphic 65/70mm
6. VistaVision - 8 perf 35mm Hortizontal film format
7. Showscan - 65/70mm @ 60 FPS
8. IMAX HD - 15 perf 70mm Hort. @ 48 FPS
9. IMAX
post #2 of 25
I saw "The Hallelujah Trail" at the Boyd in Philly. Didn't much like the picture so my memories are not positive. Also saw "Battle Of The Bulge" at that same venue. With the same feelings. I missed "Ben-Hur" and "Mutiny" ... never saw them in UP70 ... only 35mm.

Who hasn't seen IMAX?

I saw lots of VistaVision films in the '50's. I assumed you meant vertical 35mm 4-perf presentation. If you meant an actual horizontal projection, then I voted wrong since I've never seen that. It was extremely rare.

I've posted about this before ... but The Boyd in Philly was fabulous. It's really too bad those old houses are gone.
post #3 of 25
I didn't see an "I don't know" option
post #4 of 25
Seen, no. I thought you were talking about inventing them.
post #5 of 25
Do you mean Imax 3D? Imax HD would be redundant.
post #6 of 25
No IMAX 3-D? How about 65mm 3-D (ie Terminator 3-D)?
post #7 of 25
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by coolhand View Post

Do you mean Imax 3D? Imax HD would be redundant.

IMAX 3D is 24 FPS. They did have a process called IMAX HD where the movie was shot at 48 FPS:

Quote:


Momentum was the world's first IMAX film in 48 frames per second high-definition.

The film was created for the Canada pavilion at Seville Expo '92.

Momentum was co-directed by Colin Low and Tony Ianzelo and produced by the National Film Board of Canada.

The film takes viewers across Canada, demonstrating the ability of the 48 fps process to portray motion on the giant IMAX screen with reduced strobing.
post #8 of 25
I have no idea, would be my option.

Since the few times I have seen movies like this, i didnt know what the theater used.
post #9 of 25
I once saw "2001" projected in Super Panavision and it was simply incredible.

Showscan is/was used in some motion-simulator rides, so some people have probably seen it without realizing it. I saw some at a theater in Sydney about 10 years ago, but apparently they've long since gone out of operation.

As far as I know the Uptown theater in Washington DC still has a true Cinerama screen designed for the 3-projector process, but obviously they just use a lens and single projector on it these days. It's deeply curved and made out of thin strips of material angled toward the audience to reduce light cross-reflections. The curvature is impressive to say the least.
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by cadbury8 View Post

I voted for the ones i believe i have seen used but... there may be a couple on the list that i may have seen but didnt know i have seen. hehehe. an actual movie title to go with the film would have been nice. Polls can get very complicated sometimes.

i was at what was called an omni-theater one time where the entire domed ceiling was the screen. and the people were all seated in a circle below looking up. Im not sure what film they used with that. does anyone know? or even know what im talking about?

That is one of the IMAX film processes (called OMNIMAX). The movie is shot with a Fish Eye lens then projected on a dome screen. The Liberty State Park IMAX theater in NJ has that kind of screen.

Here is a listing of all the IMAX processes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAX
post #11 of 25
Nothing can top the impact of the original 3 camera CINERAMA films even with all the flaws and seems. I bedieve the last one was How The West Was Won. I experienced them all between the Warner Cinerama, in NYC, The Boyd in Phila, and the Martin Cinerama in New Orleans. There was also a copy process Called cinemiracle one film (Windjammer) at the Roxy in New York. This was the most involving of the big widescreen process of the past. Todd AO was not too bad eigher in its begining. All the rest pale in my opinion except for IMAX.
post #12 of 25
Since I'm older than Lee, I've seen most of them.
post #13 of 25
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SamwisetheBrave View Post

Since I'm older than Lee, I've seen most of them.

So you saw Cinerama. Did you see both This is Cinerama and How The West Was Won?

Where did you see Cinerama?
post #14 of 25
IMAX HD...

I am hearty and have a strong stomach...... but given the right movie with the right look, I get motion sickness.. lol

Fighter pilot: Operation Red Flag.....

sidenote: I liked it because I have gone TDY for Red Flag operations back in 93-96. B-1b Bomber here. Always had a high survivability rate
post #15 of 25
Thread Starter 
The only film that I can find that was shot in IMAX HD (48 FPS) is Momentum.

Has anyone seen this film? It played in Canada and also at the 1992 Expo Sevilla in Spain.
post #16 of 25
First of all, I'd like to thank Lee Stewart for taking the poll and asking for our recollections. I'm 60 years of age and have at one time or another seen all the film processes mentioned. There is a nostalgic evolutionary aspect to these technologies, because their implementation, during the late 50's and throughout the 60's, sometimes entailed complex renovation and expense, that as I look back upon it now, was almost insane. In early 1960 I saw Ben Hur, presented in MGM Camera 65 or otherwise known today as Ultra Panavision 70 at THE TOWN THEATER in Baltimore. I was twelve years old and flabbergasted by the huge curved screen and the surround sound. I was used to four track stereo cinemascope at my local theaters, but the screen for Ultra Panavision was wider and the sound was more than a magnitude up the quality ladder. and the image on the screen was clear beyond anything I had seen. This was the first real audio visual event in my life. From overture to finale I had now seen the way films were supposed to be presented and I would not be satisfied with inferior sound and projection. In 1961 I saw several 70MM films including Exodus and West Side Story in Super Panavision and 6 track, but it was 1962-63 that literally defined my future obsession. I saw Lawrence of Arabia in Super Panavsion70 which was stunning to see although the sound at THE MAYFAIR THEATER in Baltimore was pure crap! The theater installed small speakers in the ceiling for plane fly-overs .These speakers sounded as if they had been ripped out of a transistor radio while the main speakers behind the screen crackled during loud passages. Next, I went back to THE TOWN THEATER to see Mutiny On The Bounty in Ultra Panavision 70 and was surprised to find the curved screen gone! The screen on which I had seen Ben Hur just a little over a year earlier was gone! Replacing it was a super wide flat screen. The presentation was beautiful and the sound was terrific, but in the lobby was a large cardboard sign announcing that the TOWN would now be transformed into a Cinerama palace for their next presentation of How The West Was Won, and the theater would close for a month during renovation. So this theater installed a giant single sheet curved screen for Ben Hur in 1960, and then replaced it with a giant single sheet flat screen sometime in 1961-62, only to install a louvered 146 degree curved screen for 3 strip Cinerama in 1963. Whew!!!! In the late summer of that year I sat in the third iteration of THE TOWN THEATER in three years! There was now a projection booth dead center in the back of the orchestra which also necessitated the removal of seats at the center back of the theater. Gone was the draped burgundy Interior, it was now decked out in gold and the screen was much, much closer, it seemed as if the front third of the seating area was gone to accommodate the curved screen that now reached the side exits. I was not prepared for what I would see and hear. From the opening strains of the overture till the final moments reaching the California coast, I was staggered by picture and sound, especially the sound. I had become accustomed to 6 track stereo, but this was beyond the norm. I hate to use this word, but there was a three dimensional liquid quality to the sound, and the image was sensationally bright and sharp. I remember actually squinting when going from a dark scene into bright day shot. I had never found the need to squint in a theater before, nor have I ever done it again. I went back again and again, 5 or 6 times to THE TOWN THEATER to be amazed by this cinematic wonder. I took a bus to Phiadelphia to see it at THE BOYD CINERAMA and was not disappointed by the presentation, but what I saw and heard there was different. The screen was larger, but more distant, and the sound was wonderful but it fell short of the Baltimore presentation. I believe that the more intimate nature of THE TOWN THEATER produced a superior experience, and except for those join lines where the three 35MM strips met, it was the finest audio visual experience of my entire life! I will never forget it! Recently I saw a restored 3 strip print of HTWWW at THE CINERAMA DOME in Hollywood. It was a love fest, but the screen was only a 120 degree single sheet, not the official strip screen, and it did not reproduce the knockout illumination that Cinerama was famous for. I didn't squint. The sound also left something to be desired, but the sound survives in almost its full glory on the two disc cd, re-mastered by Chase sound for Turner. Some elements sound a bit worn, but on the whole, if you have a first rate surround system, the magic is there.

In 1968 I saw the premiere of 2001 in Super Panavision 70 on the Cinerama screen at the UPTOWN THEATER in Washington D.C. which was a treat, but it wasn't Cinerama .

On a visit to Disney World in 1971, I took time out from The Mouse to investigate a new fangled film process called Imax, at a now defunct theme park called Circus World. The 50 minute film was about, guess what??? The Circus!! The clarity and size of the image were mindboggling. But the material left something to be desired. I've now seen every major Imax film and format including Imax HD at Disney's California Adventure ride Soarin' Over California and all of the Imax DMR interpolations along with Imax 3 D and am impressed and hopeful that somehow the majesty of 70MM or its equivalent will survive in some kind of practical venue. They're trying!

Along with about six friends, I was treated to a demonstration of Doug Trumbull's Showscan, this was about 1990, and found the 60 fps 70MM super stable image to be strangely similar to video, but of course it was not video it was 70MM film. We all found the image startling, but strangely off putting. I think it's related to the 120hz motion flow reactions elsewhere on this forum and I'm certain there's more to be discovered about this phenomenon.

I saw Oklahoma in Todd-AO @30fps at THE SENATOR THEATER in Baltimore several years ago, and It was pure luck and a coincidence that I was there. Wonderful!

Of course I was fortunate to see many Technicolor prints during the 50's along with a recently restored print of Gone With The Wind in Santa Monica California and that was gorgeous!

The film presentation during the late 50's through almost all of the 60's was a golden era, but I have hope that we will see such splendor again.
post #17 of 25
There's also Circle-Vision 360: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle-Vision_360%C2%B0

Ernie
post #18 of 25
i seen a bunch of Technicolor prints in a private screening room in art school. All of these were Animation from the golden era.

i believe i seen a special Cinerama presentation of Napoleon but only a small part of the film is in Cinerama.

I seen many of the others at Disney parks, or other theaters but am unsure as i was not much into film till after collage.
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

So you saw Cinerama. Did you see both This is Cinerama and How The West Was Won?

Where did you see Cinerama?

My family went to Scranton (I'm from "Dead Center PA") on a drive/day trip and saw How The West Was Won there. It was true Cinerama (three panels, three projectors) and we were wowed. I never saw This Is Cinerama.
I saw Battle of the Bulge in Scranton, too (and remember, in those days, it was several hours on two-lane roads from central PA) but I don't think Cinerama was "true" three projector Cinerama anymore at that point.
post #20 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

So you saw Cinerama. Did you see both This is Cinerama and How The West Was Won?

Where did you see Cinerama?

PS - "most of them" means these different film formats, not most of the Cinerama films.
post #21 of 25
My mom's side of the family included an aunt and uncle who lived in Cleveland in the '50s, so I saw a Road Show screening of Ben-Hur on a giant screen in a classic old-style movie palace there in 1959.

For awhile, Harrisburg showed Cinerama films. I never saw Todd-AO. When the SW films came out, the SF club here drove to Monroeville (Yes, Dawn of the Dead) to see them in 70MM. When did Mt. Helens blow up? That happend around the time of one release.

My wife and I saw JEDI at a 70MM theater in Toronto and we saw the restored 70mm LoA at the....shoot, what's the famous mid-town theater in Manhattan? Begins with a Z, doesn't it?????

Ah...the Ziegfeld!!!
post #22 of 25
The Showscan part (middle) of Secrets Of Luxor at the Luxor casino in Vegas was just amazing - real actors interacting with actors on screen, and it all looked 'real' - you couldn't tell where the stage stopped and the screen began... super, amazingly impressive.
post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by Disclord View Post

The Showscan part (middle) of Secrets Of Luxor at the Luxor casino in Vegas was just amazing - real actors interacting with actors on screen, and it all looked 'real' - you couldn't tell where the stage stopped and the screen began... super, amazingly impressive.

Yes - I have forgotten that the Luxor did use showscan for the small theater where there was an interview (?) and it was a though there were only humans on the stage yet sone of them was film based.

That was a very unique IMAX theater. The person sitting below you was like 6 feet below you!

I saw the IMAX film Special Effects there - with Lucas's help, they refilmed the first 5 minutes of Star Wars in IMAX. Goerge . . . .you have GOT TO DO IT! Then they showed the White Houe explosion from Independence Day - again filmed in IMAX.

I do not believe this film has ever been on video.
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by Dwihters View Post

First of all, I’d like to thank Lee Stewart for taking the poll and asking for our recollections. I’m 60 years of age and have at one time or another seen all the film processes mentioned. There is a nostalgic evolutionary aspect to these technologies, because their implementation, during the late 50’s and throughout the 60’s, sometimes entailed complex renovation and expense, that as I look back upon it now, was almost insane. In early 1960 I saw “Ben Hur”, presented in MGM Camera 65 or otherwise known today as Ultra Panavision 70 at THE TOWN THEATER in Baltimore. I was twelve years old and flabbergasted by the huge curved screen and the surround sound. I was used to four track stereo cinemascope at my local theaters, but the screen for Ultra Panavision was wider and the sound was more than a magnitude up the quality ladder. …and the image on the screen was clear beyond anything I had seen. This was the first real audio visual event in my life. From overture to finale I had now seen the way films were supposed to be presented and I would not be satisfied with inferior sound and projection. In 1961 I saw several 70MM films including “Exodus” and “West Side Story” in Super Panavision and 6 track, but it was 1962-63 that literally defined my future obsession. I saw “Lawrence of Arabia” in Super Panavsion70 which was stunning to see although the sound at THE MAYFAIR THEATER in Baltimore was pure crap! The theater installed small speakers in the ceiling for plane fly-overs .These speakers sounded as if they had been ripped out of a transistor radio while the main speakers behind the screen crackled during loud passages. Next, I went back to THE TOWN THEATER to see “Mutiny On The Bounty” in Ultra Panavision 70 and was surprised to find the curved screen gone! The screen on which I had seen “Ben Hur” just a little over a year earlier was gone! Replacing it was a super wide flat screen. The presentation was beautiful and the sound was terrific, but in the lobby was a large cardboard sign announcing that the TOWN would now be transformed into a Cinerama palace for their next presentation of “How The West Was Won”, and the theater would close for a month during renovation. So this theater installed a giant single sheet curved screen for “Ben Hur” in 1960, and then replaced it with a giant single sheet flat screen sometime in 1961-62, only to install a louvered 146 degree curved screen for 3 strip Cinerama in 1963. Whew!!!! In the late summer of that year I sat in the third iteration of THE TOWN THEATER in three years! There was now a projection booth dead center in the back of the orchestra which also necessitated the removal of seats at the center back of the theater. Gone was the draped burgundy Interior, it was now decked out in gold and the screen was much, much closer, it seemed as if the front third of the seating area was gone to accommodate the curved screen that now reached the side exits. I was not prepared for what I would see and hear. From the opening strains of the overture till the final moments reaching the California coast, I was staggered by picture and sound, especially the sound. I had become accustomed to 6 track stereo, but this was beyond the norm. I hate to use this word, but there was a three dimensional “liquid” quality to the sound, and the image was sensationally bright and sharp. I remember actually squinting when going from a dark scene into bright day shot. I had never found the need to squint in a theater before, nor have I ever done it again. I went back again and again, 5 or 6 times to THE TOWN THEATER to be amazed by this cinematic wonder. I took a bus to Phiadelphia to see it at THE BOYD CINERAMA and was not disappointed by the presentation, but what I saw and heard there was different. The screen was larger, but more distant, and the sound was wonderful but it fell short of the Baltimore presentation. I believe that the more intimate nature of THE TOWN THEATER produced a superior experience, and except for those join lines where the three 35MM strips met, it was the finest audio visual experience of my entire life! I will never forget it! Recently I saw a restored 3 strip print of HTWWW at THE CINERAMA DOME in Hollywood. It was a love fest, but the screen was only a 120 degree single sheet, not the official strip screen, and it did not reproduce the knockout illumination that Cinerama was famous for. I didn’t squint. The sound also left something to be desired, but the sound survives in almost its full glory on the two disc cd, re-mastered by Chase sound for Turner. Some elements sound a bit worn, but on the whole, if you have a first rate surround system, the magic is there.

In 1968 I saw the premiere of “2001 “ in Super Panavision 70 on the Cinerama screen at the UPTOWN THEATER in Washington D.C. which was a treat, but it wasn’t Cinerama .

On a visit to Disney World in 1971, I took time out from “The Mouse” to investigate a new fangled film process called Imax, at a now defunct theme park called Circus World. The 50 minute film was about, guess what??? The Circus!! The clarity and size of the image were mindboggling. But the material left something to be desired. I’ve now seen every major Imax film and format including Imax HD at Disney’s California Adventure ride “Soarin’ Over California” and all of the Imax DMR interpolations along with Imax 3 D and am impressed and hopeful that somehow the majesty of 70MM or its equivalent will survive in some kind of practical venue. They’re trying!

Along with about six friends, I was treated to a demonstration of Doug Trumbull’s Showscan, this was about 1990, and found the 60 fps 70MM super stable image to be strangely similar to video, but of course it was not video it was 70MM film. We all found the image startling, but strangely off putting. I think it’s related to the 120hz “motion flow” reactions elsewhere on this forum and I’m certain there’s more to be discovered about this phenomenon.

I saw Oklahoma in Todd-AO @30fps at THE SENATOR THEATER in Baltimore several years ago, and It was pure luck and a coincidence that I was there. Wonderful!

Of course I was fortunate to see many Technicolor prints during the 50’s along with a recently restored print of “Gone With The Wind” in Santa Monica California and that was gorgeous!

The film presentation during the late 50’s through almost all of the 60’s was a golden era, but I have hope that we will see such splendor again.

Thank you for the trip down memory lane! It is nice to know that others feel the same way that I do about the late 1950's and 1960's as being the era for the greatest achievements in Film presentation (and then the accountants took over)
post #25 of 25
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Originally Posted by Lee Stewart View Post

Yes - I have forgotten that the Luxor did use showscan for the small theater where there was an interview (?) and it was a though there were only humans on the stage yet sone of them was film based.

That was a very unique IMAX theater. The person sitting below you was like 6 feet below you!

I saw the IMAX film Special Effects there - with Lucas's help, they refilmed the first 5 minutes of Star Wars in IMAX. Goerge . . . .you have GOT TO DO IT! Then they showed the White Houe explosion from Independence Day - again filmed in IMAX.

I do not believe this film has ever been on video.

Yes, it was like you were at a live showing of a talk show - very cool. The last part of "Secrets of Luxor" was 35mm VistaVision, but flipped on its side so the screen was taller than wide - and each seat had a shaker in it.
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