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post #91 of 121
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Originally Posted by vikingfan View Post

In regards to #1 when the Warner titles are gone their gone ending production means no restocking of catalog titles.

#2 Going Blu would mean you might have to buy 2 studious products in SD. Going red means you will have to buy all but 2 studious in SD.

1. Any source for that there will be no restocking?

2. Sure BD has more studios, but its player cost to much (to J6P), and right now I wouldnt want to be without Universal.

Keep in mind I have both formats but the selection of BD isnt that good in reality as it sound in paper. It doesnt help that Alien and Aliens is exclusive if you dont release them.
post #92 of 121
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Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher View Post

Not a surprise at all shortly after the Warner announcement, and a few HD DVD owners had a knee-jerk reaction to sell their player and HD DVD titles. It will spring back, however. Don't think that it's going to be anywhere near 85:15 for the remainder of the year, especially when you can now buy an HD DVD player for $129 or less.

You were saying the same thing after the weekend after the $99 players.

Never came close to closing the gap.

Nothing HD-DVD can do at this point other than falsely make people believe that their format isnt dead.
post #93 of 121
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Originally Posted by cdzie1 View Post

I wonder how many HD DVD owners will be watching $15 DVDs up-converted instead of the $30 HD DVD versions the studio could have sold them?

Yeah, I often wonder that myself. Probably if the price of the player was a deciding factor in one's selection, then would that relate to the pricing on the media, I don't know.

Come to think of it, that does create an interesting situation for people with large (or any for that matter) existing DVD titles. Would marketing the hardware as an up converter detract from people purchasing catalog titles on the HD format? I mean, they already spent $15 on the DVD, why another $30 for something that looks better, but instead their price sensitivities might have them go with the "good enough" up convert?

I think Toshiba might need to be careful in how they tote the up converting functionality.
post #94 of 121
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

1. Any source for that there will be no restocking?

2. Sure BD has more studios, but its player cost to much (to J6P), and right now I wouldnt want to be without Universal.

Keep in mind I have both formats but the selection of BD isnt that good in reality as it sound in paper. It doesnt help that Alien and Aliens is exclusive if you dont release them.

Funny you mention Alien and Aliens not being released yet and then mention being without Universal. The list of that studios heavy hitters MIA is a lot longer.

Switching to BD only Warner wouldn't continue producing the HDDVD titles currently offered. Just like when PAR switched, when existing stock is gone, thats it.
post #95 of 121
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Originally Posted by torse_jack View Post

Yeah, I often wonder that myself. Probably if the price of the player was a deciding factor in one's selection, then would that relate to the pricing on the media, I don't know.

Come to think of it, that does create an interesting situation for people with large (or any for that matter) existing DVD titles. Would marketing the hardware as an up converter detract from people purchasing catalog titles on the HD format? I mean, they already spent $15 on the DVD, why another $30 for something that looks better, but instead their price sensitivities might have them go with the "good enough" up convert?

I think Toshiba might need to be careful in how they tote the up converting functionality.

I edited my post to put it in better context.

My point is: I bet many current HD DVD owners (nearly 1 million) would happily pay $30 for the HD DVD version, but only spend $15 for the DVD because the studio doesn’t support HD DVD.
post #96 of 121
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Originally Posted by torse_jack View Post


I think Toshiba might need to be careful in how they tote the up converting functionality.


As long as they supply a couple of HD DVD with the player, people can watch with their own eyes on their own display to tell a difference.

The funny thing would be that, if they dont think the upgrade is worth it, they will not rush out and buy a BD player later.

Remember tosh makes money on DVD sales aswell.
post #97 of 121
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Originally Posted by cdzie1 View Post

I edited my post to put it in better context.

My point is: I bet many current HD DVD owners (nearly 1 million) would happily pay $30 for the HD DVD version, but only spend $15 for the DVD because the studio doesn't support HD DVD.

Ah, indeed, just saw the edit. Though I suppose you could make that same argument in reverse for the other format .
post #98 of 121
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Originally Posted by vikingfan View Post

Funny you mention Alien and Aliens not being released yet and then mention being without Universal. The list of that studios heavy hitters MIA is a lot longer.

Yes i know that some Universal movies is MIA aswell (Gladiator is Universal in Europe)

But what im saying is that most of the BD movies that has been released has had the "best of date" expired.

a movie like Gone is 60 seconds may very well be blockbuster, but it aint something I ever gonna watch again.

I buy movies that I want to buy on both formats, and so far Universal has comming in strong in my bookshelf.
post #99 of 121
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Originally Posted by Merrick97 View Post

You were saying the same thing after the weekend after the $99 players.

Never came close to closing the gap.

Nothing HD-DVD can do at this point other than falsely make people believe that their format isnt dead.


So, HD DVD disc's dont play anymore all of a sudden? The ending of this Dispute was the worst thing to happen..especially for BD supporters....now prices will go back up or stay the same for movies and hardware.
post #100 of 121
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

As long as they supply a couple of HD DVD with the player, people can watch with their own eyes on their own display to tell a difference.

The funny thing would be that, if they dont think the upgrade is worth it, they will not rush out and buy a BD player later.

Remember tosh makes money on DVD sales aswell.

And if they do think the upgrade is worth it, they'll go out and get a BD player as well because it has more movies available, or just take back the HDDVD player and go BD only. Either way, more software sales for BD and a bigger deficit for HDDVD.
post #101 of 121
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Originally Posted by Merrick97 View Post

You were saying the same thing after the weekend after the $99 players.

Never came close to closing the gap.

Nothing HD-DVD can do at this point other than falsely make people believe that their format isnt dead.

lol, you mean when Blu-ray started having all those Buy-One-Get-One-Free deals?
post #102 of 121
I can't help from feeling we are beating a dead horse here. At what point are we going to set the horse on fire and push it over the cliff??
post #103 of 121
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

Yes i know that some Universal movies is MIA aswell (Gladiator is Universal in Europe)

But what im saying is that most of the BD movies that has been released has had the "best of date" expired.

a movie like Gone is 60 seconds may very well be blockbuster, but it aint something I ever gonna watch again.

I buy movies that I want to buy on both formats, and so far Universal has comming in strong in my bookshelf.

Can you tell me if you bought Dune on HDDVD? I don't want to waste time responding to your posts.
post #104 of 121
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Originally Posted by Merrick97 View Post

Nothing HD-DVD can do at this point other than falsely make people believe that their format isnt dead.

I quite admire your faith in BD!
post #105 of 121
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Originally Posted by vikingfan View Post

It still can't change the fact that theres not one title for HDDVD until American Gangster that will generate ANY sales at all.

Lets wait for the upcoming HD DVD title announcements ...
post #106 of 121
You do realize that it is getting so bad that we are now reading and posting in threads regarding commercials during certain programming on television?
post #107 of 121
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Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher View Post

Lets wait for the upcoming HD DVD title announcements ...

Because anything announced right now would be coming out before 2/19?
post #108 of 121
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Originally Posted by vikingfan View Post

The Neilsens for the week ending 1/13.... 85:15. 3:10 to Yuma was the #1 BD disc, The Kingdom was the #1 HDDVD disc, it sold 10% of what Yuma did.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...882debd8437313

Wonder what those 2 studios will think of that ?

And The Kingdom went unavailable on Amazon and I couldn't find it at local B&Ms... nothing like creating scarcity.
post #109 of 121
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Originally Posted by vikingfan View Post

Because anything announced right now would be coming out before 2/19?

We'll see.
post #110 of 121
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Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher View Post

We'll see.

You see the sales ratio for last week? I saw that.
post #111 of 121
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Originally Posted by vikingfan View Post

And if they do think the upgrade is worth it, they'll go out and get a BD player as well because it has more movies available, or just take back the HDDVD player and go BD only. Either way, more software sales for BD and a bigger deficit for HDDVD.


Well they could surly go out and buy a BD player aswell. And that way BD will profit on cheap HD DVD players aswell.

But as I wrote BD is still more expensive, people dont have unlimited funds.

And as cheap as HD DVD is a doubt very many would return it. It isnt even worth the hassle, and they still need it for a couple of movies.

As for Dune, no I havnt bought it, I have "a couple" of other movies in my list im gonna purchase first.
post #112 of 121
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Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher View Post

lol, you mean when Blu-ray started having all those Buy-One-Get-One-Free deals?

LOL, I mean right now, too!!

Take a look at the amazon rankings. These HUGE player sales are really moving a lot of HD-DVDs.

http://charts.highdefdigest.com/rank.aspx

Oh my bad. Look at that. Only one HD-DVD title in the Top 10 for HDM and its at Number 9. For a grand total of One, thats right ONE in the Top 100 sellers. The next best being at 110.

Want more?

Only 22 out of the Top 100 HDMs are HD-DVD.

Yeah, HD-DVD is well on its way to coming back....

Try again.
post #113 of 121
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Originally Posted by Joon TV View Post

You see the sales ratio for last week? I saw that.

Like I already said, not a surprise at all shortly after the Warner announcement, and a few HD DVD owners had a knee-jerk reaction to sell their player and HD DVD titles. It will spring back, however. Don't think that it's going to be anywhere near 85:15 for the remainder of the year, especially when you can now buy an HD DVD player for $129 or less with 7 free HD DVD movies.
post #114 of 121
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Originally Posted by Gordon Shumway View Post

I wonder how many totally A/V clueless folks are running into Robert's store fighting to get one or are they A/V geeks who have 1...2...3..4 HD DVD players and need one or two more?? How many are just you average Joe Shopper I wonder...Robert??

The same could apply to the new BD players being sold (cheaper or 1.1).

Not everyone is impressed with HDM - we all know that.

At some point, everyone who wants a high def player - of either format...or both - will have one.

Steve W
post #115 of 121
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Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher View Post

Like I already said, not a surprise at all shortly after the Warner announcement, and a few HD DVD owners had a knee-jerk reaction to sell their player and HD DVD titles. It will spring back, however. Don't think that it's going to be anywhere near 85:15 for the remainder of the year, especially when you can now buy an HD DVD player for $129 or less with 7 free HD DVD movies.

For the weeks to come, it will be a good week for HD DVD when they are at 25%. Get use to these sales rankings and it is only going to get worse and worse. Especially after May. By that time you could be seeing 95-5. I love that you say "not a surprised." When the sales rankings were at 65:35 I would read you post "it should have been higher for BD, we had a good week." Then you get a 85:15 and we get "it was expected." When is this turn around, when is HD DVD suppose to make a comeback? 52 weeks in 07 was not enough. The largest separation is not enough. When are they go make this comeback? Go look at the amazon rankings for software. BD is still KILLING it, even with these cheap players they already tried before. So when is this miraculous comeback suppose to happen. On top of every studio but 2 leaving it? When, please enlighten me...
post #116 of 121
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Originally Posted by MidnightWatcher View Post

We'll see.

Yes lets, of the UNI productions of 2007 that haven't been released yet theres AP:Naked Mile, AP:Beta House, Sydney White and Charlie Wilson's War. So that's a no from UNI. and PAR has Sweeney Todd and There Will Be Blood. So it looks like between now and the 19th HDDVD is SOL release wise.
post #117 of 121
hddvd obviously taking the scorched earth policy of losing.. That downfall parody is perfect.

Their position now seems to be 'if we can't win the HDM war, nobody will'.

And there are alledged home theater fans on here cheering this.
post #118 of 121
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Originally Posted by Monty22001 View Post

hddvd obviously taking the scorched earth policy of losing.. That downfall parody is perfect.

Their position now seems to be 'if we can't win the HDM war, nobody will'.

Any there are alledged home theater fans on here cheering this.

Well I see some problems if BD gets to dominated.

With DVD you could do smaller productions and break even at 500 copies. With the enforced AACS that you have on BD it gets harder to get broader content in HD. So while im perfectly fine with a Combosolution, I do see problems with a BD only solution.

"HD delivery" should be for everyone not only the big studios.
post #119 of 121
The 85/15 week in favor of Blu-ray is a pretty strong showing, but is it really that unexpected? The key is to see if the SI and YTD names changed at all (whether a lot of media was moved) and if the format continues to beat HD DVD at that rate throughout the year.

I don't see what the big deal is though. I have HD DVD now and don't have Blu-ray. My discs work just fine, and if HD DVD fades away, I'll just pick up a Profile 2.0 Blu-ray player and continue to enjoy High-Def movies, and hopefully some great new interactive features.

This format war is stupid. There is no war when the amount of money being made on both sides is so minuscule.
post #120 of 121
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Originally Posted by Monty22001 View Post

hddvd obviously taking the scorched earth policy of losing.. That downfall parody is perfect.

Their position now seems to be 'if we can't win the HDM war, nobody will'.

Any there are alledged home theater fans on here cheering this.

Business is business, and it's too bad a compromise wasn't reached before launch. The longer this goes on though, the more universal players we'll see and the more price competition we'll see in that segment. I'm all for that.
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