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post #151 of 163
If I bought a NG RF extender would I even need to use the battery transmitter for a Directv RF remote?
post #152 of 163
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Originally Posted by bjohn34 View Post

If I bought a NG RF extender would I even need to use the battery transmitter for a Directv RF remote?

Yes, you would.
post #153 of 163
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Originally Posted by bjohn34 View Post

If I bought a NG RF extender would I even need to use the battery transmitter for a Directv RF remote?

I use the NG remote extender (with the transmitter installed) in one of my RF capable DirecTV remotes to control an HR21-100 from a remote location. My reason for using the DirecTV remote in IR mode with the NG rather than utilizing it's RF capability is because I control my entire entertainment center where the HR21 is located with a URC MX-500 remote and the HR21 can only be set for IR or RF, not both at the same time.
post #154 of 163
Does this work with the HTM MX-500 yet?
post #155 of 163
Hi,

I have 2 genius transmitter kits, one green and one purple. I use them to control two of the same brand products (Foxtel cable boxes).

My green transmitter has recently started playing up. It also began getting really hot in the remote and smelt like it was burning. It eventually stopped working all together.

I am having trouble finding a replacement and also getting help and advice with the the product. I should note that I am located in Australia.

I originally purchased them on Amazon but I can not find anyone that will ship one here now.

Is replacing the faulty transmitter (green one) the only option I have?

Thanks.
post #156 of 163
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Originally Posted by danpsa View Post

Hi,

I have 2 genius transmitter kits, one green and one purple. I use them to control two of the same brand products (Foxtel cable boxes).

My green transmitter has recently started playing up. It also began getting really hot in the remote and smelt like it was burning. It eventually stopped working all together.

I am having trouble finding a replacement and also getting help and advice with the the product. I should note that I am located in Australia.

I originally purchased them on Amazon but I can not find anyone that will ship one here now.

Is replacing the faulty transmitter (green one) the only option I have?

Thanks.

Have you tried the manufacturer? http://www.nextgen.us/NextGen_Remote_Extender_Genius_Transmitters_Only_p/remoteextendergeniustrans.htm
post #157 of 163
I bought a genius version of these after reading this thread and others touting this thing as the best thing since sliced bread.

I had some trouble getting it to work out of the box. I decided that was likely due to the batteries not being fully charged yet so I'll have to reserve judgment on performance.

While troubleshooting, though, I found their documentation to be very weak and in some places directly contradictory.

For example, from the front page of the "Genius Model Quickstart Guide" (it also appears to be the only manual since there isn't an alternative to the quickstart in the box or online.)
"Recharge Your batteries in the special 2/3 AAA Battery Charger (REMOVE ONCE CHARGED: Do not leave the batteries in charger longer than 24 hrs.)"

Then on the reverse side in the Troubleshooting section:
"Will it damage the battery leaving it in the charger? No, it will not. The battery will receive a slow trickle charge while in the charger."

and in the previous paragraph:
"It takes 24-36 hours" to charge a battery - despite the earlier advice to take it out of the charger after a max of 24.

In the "Multi-Equipment Setups" section there is a block that says "Control even More!" and suggests using two 6 headed emitters, one in each output, to control 12 different devices. But elsewhere, the emitter outputs are said to be specific to the sensitivity setting being used... that is, one output is for the A setting and one is for the B setting. Both are active only on the C setting... so if you need to use the A setting for the extender to work with your setup, their suggestion won't work... and there is no mention of that.

According to the documentation (which I don't trust for the reasons above). Eye emitters have to be disconnected to for the "blaster" function to work. Why? There are some situations where it would be very helpful to have both active. If interference is a potential problem, include a switch - or you could even put tape over the UFO. And before I bought it I saw posts in this forum indicating that the blaster function was active at the same time as the emitters.

My kit also came with what look like plastic bases for mounting the eye emitters. There are no instructions for using those, but it appears that they are molded such that they hold the emitters in a way that would block any transmitted light. Are they supposed to be used to mount spare emitters for storage/non-use? Are they instead transparent to IR wavelengths? Who knows? The manufacturer didn't bother telling me.

Anyway... like I said, I'm reserving judgment on the performance of the thing until I get a chance to try it with fully charged transmitter batteries. The documentation, however, leaves a lot to be desired and indicates a glaring lack of attention to detail.
post #158 of 163
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I bought a genius version of these after reading this thread and others touting this thing as the best thing since sliced bread.

 

Up until a few days ago, I have been one of those doing the toutin' ;)

 

That's before I received and installed a "Harmony Smart Control". It bests the NextGen system by leaps and bounds (and as an early adopter of the NextGen system, I never thought I'd say that)

 

Here's a pic of everything that's been replaced by the Harmony (in the top red circle), including the NextGen kit...

 

 

 

I actually was able to reuse one of my NextGen emitters due to the fact that its standard 3.5mm where as the Harmony hub takes a 2.5mm connection (one of my few gripes of this system)

post #159 of 163
That's great, but you could have just put your next gen in a universal remote and accomplished about the same thing. My $8 RCA RCRP05BR JP1 remote plus next gen works as well or better than harmony, minus the iPhone integration of course.
post #160 of 163
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

That's great, but you could have just put your next gen in a universal remote and accomplished about the same thing. My $8 RCA RCRP05BR JP1 remote plus next gen works as well or better than harmony, minus the iPhone integration of course.

 

I tried this. A few (actually several) issues...

 

1) Nextgen battery/transmitter not compatible with my Harmony 650 remote (the battery/transmitter can't create enough power to operate in remotes that have larger LCD screens). It works with my 520 and 550, but those remotes have unresponsive, mushy/rubber buttons.

 

2) Nextgen IR blaster is not nearly as powerful, forgiving, or multi-directional as the harmony hub/blaster appears to be.

 

3) Nextgen blaster has antenna which limits where it can be placed. Harmony hub has a low profile and no antenna. Can be placed in a variety of locations (as in my pic)

 

4) Nextgen has no iOS/Android interface to set up, let alone control, the remote, hub or devices

 

5) Nextgen depends on battery/transmitter being charged constantly. Harmony hub has no battery to constantly charge/replace. Harmony remote uses a single inexpensive CR-2032 coin cell battery

 

I could go on, you get the idea. Just curious, have you had an opportunity to test the harmony smart control?


Edited by vestaviascott - 7/18/13 at 5:59am
post #161 of 163
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Originally Posted by vestaviascott View Post

I tried this. A few (actually several) issues...

1) Nextgen battery/transmitter not compatible with my Harmony 650 remote (the battery/transmitter can't create enough power to operate in remotes that have larger LCD screens). It works with my 520 and 550, but those remotes have unresponsive, mushy/rubber buttons.

2) Nextgen IR blaster is not nearly as powerful, forgiving, or multi-directional as the harmony hub/blaster appears to be.

3) Nextgen blaster has antenna which limits where it can be placed. Harmony hub has a low profile and no antenna. Can be placed in a variety of locations (as in my pic)

4) Nextgen has no iOS/Android interface to set up, let alone control, the remote, hub or devices

5) Nextgen depends on battery/transmitter being charged constantly. Harmony hub has no battery to constantly charge/replace. Harmony remote uses a single inexpensive CR-2032 coin cell battery

I could go on, you get the idea. Just curious, have you had an opportunity to test the harmony smart control?

I agree with all of your points. My main point is for those who may have a lot of remotes to replace but don't want to spend $130 on an RF solution. Cheapness is why most of us are attracted to Next gen in the first place.

While JP1 has no iOS integration, it has many advantages as well. It has tons more functionality than the smart control remote itself, like unlimited activities, unlimited devices, 5 functions per button (short press, long press, double press, shifted and double shifted), nested macros, custom protocols, unlimited macro steps, variables and conditional branching, etc., all at a fraction of the cost of a harmony. If you're going to give up your LCD display anyway, may as well get some functionality in return. I've tried many iOS remotes, and while they are cool and fun to play with, nothing beats actual buttons, which the smart control partially takes care of. What is missing is access to all the extra functions, which now must be accessed on your smart phone. I'd rather have everything on my remote and forget about the smart phone.

I agree that an integrated solution without all the drawbacks of Next gen is a great option, but it does come at a significant cost. As a JP1 person, there is no way I could ever spend anywhere near $130 on any remote solution. It's just not in my DNA.
post #162 of 163

You make some good points mdavej.

 

I've been an enthusiastic supporter of NextGen since the day I discovered it several years ago. I've promoted it to anyone who would listen. I was drawn to it mostly due to its inexpensive cost and functionality to control devices without line of sight.

 

Never the less, the experience has not been all wine and roses. The constant battery switching/recycling has always been an issue. I purchased a battery tester and a couple extra nextgen battery/transmitters to help with this, but its still an extra chore (and expense) I didn't relish keeping up with. I just went back to my Amazon account to see that I've spent close to $100 on the nextgen system over the years (extra 3way emitter cable, an extra transmitter, longer 3.5mm audio cable, extra nextgen batteries, battery tester, etc) 

 

When you consider my existing investment in nextgen (appx $100), add in the cost of a universal remote, I'm about even with the cost of the smart control system at $129 (and it comes with everything I need including a sleek, responsive remote that does not need constant battery changes, hub, and app for iOS/Android as well as web based setup)

 

The other issue is that the mini blasters keep breaking and the stickyback wears away. I ultimately had them scotch-taped to my devices which, along with all the cords coming from the hub, became pretty unsightly. But, I had no alternative then, so I lived with it.

 

When I discovered the Harmony solution a few weeks ago (I believe its only been out since April) I began to research it as an alternative.

 

What I found was that it appeared to address many of the shortcomings of the nextgen system, but, as you point out, at a cost. I'm willing to accept the cost as an investment in my enjoyment of my entertainment hub. I sold several of my slightly used electronics on craigslist (in one day) in order to pay for the harmony system.

 

I can tell you now that the same excitement that I felt when I discovered Nextgen remote control extender back in 2007, I now feel to an even greater extent having discovered the harmony smart control system.

 

If you can afford it, Its a pretty unbeatable solution. Especially if they keep enhancing the desktop and iOS/Android software. And of course, if they don't sell of the harmony division as was rumoured a while back. But ironically, the success of the new smart control and hub system, especially in Apple stores, has apparently revived the business.

 

I'm not in need of all the extra configuration options you indicate are important to you (and to others I'm sure). The harmony system gives me everything I could want (and I've driven pretty deep into the interface to customize buttons, add special cases to activities, etc,) and comes with a remote that DOES feature dual programmable buttons (short and long press supported).

 

The only time I have to pick up my iPhone is when I want to program a button or activity to do something special. However, I could use myharmony.com to do that as well. I use the smart remote to control ALL my devices, although I could just as easily use my iPhone or iPad.

 

We could probably go on and on comparing these two systems, but as someone who has both, I have to say that I'm extremely satisfied that I found the nextgen when I did, and I'm even more satisfied that I graduated to the Harmony system.

 

Its exceeded my expectations and in my experience, it bests the nextgen system in terms of speed, responsiveness, user-friendliness, overall user satisfaction and, to your point, operating cost. Its everything I wanted nextgen to be and then some.


Edited by vestaviascott - 7/19/13 at 4:52am
post #163 of 163
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Originally Posted by vestaviascott View Post

You make some good points mdavej.

I've been an enthusiastic supporter of NextGen since the day I discovered it several years ago. I've promoted it to anyone who would listen. I was drawn to it mostly due to its inexpensive cost and functionality to control devices without line of sight.

Never the less, the experience has not been all wine and roses. The constant battery switching/recycling has always been an issue. I purchased a battery tester and a couple extra nextgen battery/transmitters to help with this, but its still an extra chore (and expense) I didn't relish keeping up with. I just went back to my Amazon account to see that I've spent close to $100 on the nextgen system over the years (extra 3way emitter cable, an extra transmitter, longer 3.5mm audio cable, extra nextgen batteries, battery tester, etc) 

When you consider my existing investment in nextgen (appx $100), add in the cost of a universal remote, I'm about even with the cost of the smart control system at $129 (and it comes with everything I need including a sleek, responsive remote that does not need constant battery changes, hub, and app for iOS/Android as well as web based setup)

The other issue is that the mini blasters keep breaking and the stickyback wears away. I ultimately had them scotch-taped to my devices which, along with all the cords coming from the hub, became pretty unsightly. But, I had no alternative then, so I lived with it.

When I discovered the Harmony solution a few weeks ago (I believe its only been out since April) I began to research it as an alternative.

What I found was that it appeared to address many of the shortcomings of the nextgen system, but, as you point out, at a cost. I'm willing to accept the cost as an investment in my enjoyment of my entertainment hub. I sold several of my slightly used electronics on craigslist (in one day) in order to pay for the harmony system.

I can tell you now that the same excitement that I felt when I discovered Nextgen remote control extender back in 2007, I now feel to an even greater extent having discovered the harmony smart control system.

If you can afford it, Its a pretty unbeatable solution. Especially if they keep enhancing the desktop and iOS/Android software. And of course, if they don't sell of the harmony division as was rumoured a while back. But ironically, the success of the new smart control and hub system, especially in Apple stores, has apparently revived the business.


I'm not in need of all the extra configuration options you indicate are important to you (and to others I'm sure). The harmony system gives me everything I could want (and I've driven pretty deep into the interface to customize buttons, add special cases to activities, etc,) and comes with a remote that DOES feature dual programmable buttons (short and long press supported).

The only time I have to pick up my iPhone is when I want to program a button or activity to do something special. However, I could use myharmony.com to do that as well. I use the smart remote to control ALL my devices, although I could just as easily use my iPhone or iPad.

We could probably go on and on comparing these two systems, but as someone who has both, I have to say that I'm extremely satisfied that I found the nextgen when I did, and I'm even more satisfied that I graduated to the Harmony system.

Its exceeded my expectations and in my experience, it bests the nextgen system in terms of speed, responsiveness, user-friendliness, overall user satisfaction and, to your point, operating cost
. Its everything I wanted nextgen to be and then some.

Thanks for all your input, I've been lurking around reading a ton of different threads on different options to go with (needing RF) and started looking at other options rather then the Harmony line 910/915 and I keep saying to myself get the smart hub and give it a shot....wasn't to thrilled about the Blaster wire I'd have to run just for the TV but if that's the worst part then its not that bad at all....looks like after reading a bunch more today I'll end up going for the 910 to start with:)
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