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post #61 of 494
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Originally Posted by iontyre View Post

You have not included the Funai player announced at CES.

Tracking down exact details on the Funai, Daewoo, Mitsubishi, JVC, and new Sony have been difficult. Most releases are vague "supports DTS-HD". Does that mean decodes, bitstream or both? Do they mean DTS-HD HR but not DTS-HD MA, or do they mean both?

As soon as I can get confirmation on details I will add them to the matrix. If you see any previews, press releases, owners manuals, spec sheets, etc Let me know so I can add them
post #62 of 494
Great comparison chart. Would it be possible to list startup times for each released player? Probably too much to ask but would be very helpful also. Would have to skim each owners thread I imagine. Also would be nice to know how quickly each player can load BD-J titles.

Having the audio is great but disk loading times is a huge factor to me when it comes to which unit to purchase.
post #63 of 494
I'm looking at a 10a I might be able to get..
If I'm hooked up component and 5.1 analogs..If I'm playing a movie with 5.1 or 7.1 Uncompressed PCM, what will the 10a output..Will it just be core Doblby digital from Toslink or will I get uncompressed from my analogs like titles with TrueHD or the lesser Dolby digital Plus?
I seem to be seeing more titles with Uncompressed PCM rather than titles with Dolby TrueHD and DDPlus..
Thanks
Rick
post #64 of 494
I'm going to make this a sticky, please limit discussion to additions/corrections/suggestions. Thanks. Oh, and thanks for your hard work namechamps.

larry
post #65 of 494
Excellent! Subscribing

post #66 of 494
SONY 300

According to manual:

TRUE HD to 5.1 LPCM
DTS HD to 5.1 LPCM
DD+ to 7.1*
UNcompressed up to 7.1 LPCM

This is core I beleive....anyoen know if SONy will decode full TRUE HD in the future? Firmware rumors??
post #67 of 494
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Originally Posted by thebland View Post

SONY 300

According to manual:

TRUE HD to 5.1 LPCM
DTS HD to 5.1 LPCM
DD+ to 7.1*
UNcompressed up to 7.1 LPCM

This is core I beleive....anyoen know if SONy will decode full TRUE HD in the future? Firmware rumors??

Rumored to be in the works.
post #68 of 494
namechamps,

AWESOME! Thanks...

It looks like I may get the new Panny when it comes out
It does exactly what I'm looking for at a not too shabby price.

I wonder if it'll do DVD-A like the BD-10, I would definitely be in there if it did both DVD-A and SACD.
post #69 of 494
Well, according to the info just released on the new Denon DVD-3800, it will only bitstream DTS Master HD, not decode it internally.

http://www.usa.denon.com/beyond/prod...-3800BDCI.html

Hopefully us HDMI 1.1 prepro owners will eventually get a BD player that decodes all of the new HD audio formats.
post #70 of 494
My BD-10 has 7.1 analog output. Thanks for this info, BTW, good work.
post #71 of 494
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Well, according to the info just released on the new Denon DVD-3800, it will only bitstream DTS Master HD, not decode it internally.

http://www.usa.denon.com/beyond/prod...-3800BDCI.html

Hopefully us HDMI 1.1 prepro owners will eventually get a BD player that decodes all of the new HD audio formats.

I was under the impression that if a player internally decodes DTS Master & Dolby True HD audio you would be able to output thru the multi-channel analog outs into a receiver's multichannel analog inputs and take advantage of these superior audio formats. The info on the Denon site does state that the player does internally decode these audio formats. Could somebody please shed some light on this as I have a Arcam 300 AVR and I am quite happy with but it does not have HDMI.
post #72 of 494
The Samsung BD-p1500 looks like a winner on paper. It should be out in May. We will see!

Intro price of $399.99 makes it a heck of a deal if everything pans out.


http://gizmodo.com/341084/samsungs-4...r-is-announced
post #73 of 494
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Well, according to the info just released on the new Denon DVD-3800, it will only bitstream DTS Master HD, not decode it internally.

http://www.usa.denon.com/beyond/prod...-3800BDCI.html

Hopefully us HDMI 1.1 prepro owners will eventually get a BD player that decodes all of the new HD audio formats.

Yes it does.

http://www.usa.denon.com/DVD-3800BDCILit_1219.pdf

S~
post #74 of 494
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Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

Yes it does.

http://www.usa.denon.com/DVD-3800BDCILit_1219.pdf

S~

Hmmm? There seems to be some inconsistency in the info from Denon. The link I posted said this:

Incomparable Audio Support
*Denon D.D.S.C.-HD internally decodes new, higher-quality surround Dolby TrueHD soundtracks and can pass Dolby TrueHD and dts-HD Master Audio via bit stream to compatible receivers
*Dual 32-bit floating point DSP, Burr Brown PCM-1796 audio decoders for all channels and Advanced AL24 processing for greater dynamic range
*Master clock design for accurate processing and reduced jitter noise
post #75 of 494
What if player supports bitstream only and there is DolbyTrueHD 5.1 track?
Will I get DD 5.1 or any sound form the player (receiver doesn't support DolbyTrueHD)?

Thanks

Andrew
post #76 of 494
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Originally Posted by Andrew_HD View Post

What if player supports bitstream only and there is DolbyTrueHD 5.1 track?
Will I get DD 5.1 or any sound form the player (receiver doesn't support DolbyTrueHD)?

As I understand:

There is a hidden or parallel DD 5.1 track. So:
•DD 5.1 streamed via HDMI (if there is a DD 5.1 option in the menu; not sure otherwise) and SPDIF,
•DD 5.1 decoded to PCM 5.1 on HDMI if you choose PCM out (DD decoding is mandatory);

On the Panny 30 also:
•DD 5.1 decoded to analogue 5.1 out
post #77 of 494
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Originally Posted by Andrew_HD View Post

What if player supports bitstream only and there is DolbyTrueHD 5.1 track?
Will I get DD 5.1 or any sound form the player (receiver doesn't support DolbyTrueHD)?

Thanks

Andrew

From what I understand if neither your player or reciever can decode TrueHD, you will get no sound if you select it. That is why all discs with TrueHD also have a lossy Dolby Digital track.
post #78 of 494
Great chart! Thanks.
post #79 of 494
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Originally Posted by Beerstalker View Post

From what I understand if neither your player or reciever can decode TrueHD, you will get no sound if you select it. That is why all discs with TrueHD also have a lossy Dolby Digital track.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Beerstalker View Post

From what I understand if neither your player or reciever can decode TrueHD, you will get no sound if you select it. That is why all discs with TrueHD also have a lossy Dolby Digital track.

i think this happened to me while playing HD disks of 'the sopranos'. i had to switch to the stereo output to get any front channel. but there seemed to be no 5.1 output at all, only stereo output over analog.

the question i have is: if i get a blue-ray player that doesnt decode internally (and my old-school stereo certainly will not), will i be stuck with stereo-only sound or will there be a parallel lossy 5.1 option on blu-ray? i read the posts above and am still not 100% sure.

did the person looking at the 10a ever get an answer? thats does internal decoding, right? (its not on the chart)

thanks!
post #80 of 494
namechamps: Thanks! I found this to be one of the most informative pieces of information on this whole forum or site in general (regarding Blu-ray). Someone can *almost* look exclusively at that to decide what player to get given that the decoding differences are the biggest noticable differences of each player.

I was simply going to suggest to you to perhaps add an asterisk or superscript to the following players that they contain the "LFE Bug". IMO, this is a considerable bug when comparing BR players for codec support and should be shown on your spreadsheet to accurately compare. Don't know what to tell you about including or omitting the note for the DMP-BD50!

LFE BUG: Denon 2500, Panasonic DMP-BD10, Panasonic DMP-BD30
See http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=983656

I would second the recomendation for start up times, however that would be harder to get.
post #81 of 494
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Originally Posted by Ophitoxaemia View Post

i think this happened to me while playing HD disks of 'the sopranos'. i had to switch to the stereo output to get any front channel. but there seemed to be no 5.1 output at all, only stereo output over analog.

I thought the Sopranos sets have PCM 5.1, not TrueHD so it's not a TrueHD decoding issue. You need HDMI or analogue 5.1 on the receiver for the PCM 5.1 tracks.
post #82 of 494
Please update the S300 listing. Paidgeek our Blu-ray insider confirmed the player actually decodes TrueHD to LPCM just like the BDP-S1. This was added later via firmware update.
post #83 of 494
Great post! Thank you.

Any hope of adding the HTPC Bluray player(s) (e.g. PowerDVD Ultra) to the list? Maybe not relevant for most but it's worth considering given the lack of a full-feature standalone player at the moment.
post #84 of 494
Funny that Sony is the only one really slacking on the Audio support...is this not there format?

Nate
post #85 of 494
does anyone know if there is a similar matrix for plasma's / lcd tv's with its associated functionality? id love to see one

cheers
post #86 of 494
i have a denon 3808 reciever. contimplating on whether i should get the ps3 for blue-ray functionality but maybe just use it for gaming instead. however, my main question is, since my reciever already does alot of decoding (i think), would i require a br player to decode onboard or would i just rely on streaming the signal to the reciever and have the reciever do the rest?

to me it sounds like an overkill to pay $$$ for something of which my reciever may already do. i can lower the cost of the player because of it. or is my thinking wrong? mainly interested in sound format options atm since sound comes in MANY formats (as this matrix has already shown). i already own the HD DVD optoin for the 360, however, this has limitted sound format options (mainly 5.1 dolby i think.. nothing higher..) and i have a 7.1 setup

opinions / options?
post #87 of 494
It needs to be able to Bitstream it to your receiver to get the audio out. A Denon 2500 would be a great player to match your 3808.

Nate
post #88 of 494
it would be a good match, but the panny has equal functionality with half the price

cheers
post #89 of 494
And both the Panasonic BD30 and the Denon 2500 have the LFE issue, right?
post #90 of 494
what is the LFE issue?
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