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post #241 of 5459
6/27/08 at 8:31pm
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Didn't your mother tell you to quit worrying about what others are doing and stand on your own two feet?

Thank you mom

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That is quite bold of you to make the statement. Do you have any facts to substantiate that?

Yes a good friend a mine works at Harman


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you're a hipocrit.

Maybe you should learn to speak English "hypocrite"


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no you won't. you've already got a pre-conceived notion of what you want before you even open your ears. your waisting peoples time by posting here.

Get a life, you are the one wasting other peoples time just because we don't buy the marketing BS and agree with your opinion you feel like you need to bully others!!!

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You are entitled to your opinion. If you believe the classe is obsolete, don't buy it. Your statements really show how ignorant and naive you are. What is your reason for posting this? Are you on some sort of bashing tirade? You feel you have to put down others to boost yourself up?

Thank you, I probably know more about electronics than you will ever learn,

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Why do people feel it is appropriate to be disrespectful to others? Have you no class? - wait, you have proven you don't.

You are the one with no class, since you can't tolerate different opinions

By the way get a dictionary
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post #242 of 5459
6/28/08 at 5:48am
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Yes a good friend a mine works at Harman

sounds my like hearsay and FUD, especially from your source. you have no credibility to make a statement like that.

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Maybe you should learn to speak English "hypocrite"

you're reaching here... can't make a real arguement so you have to point out my flaws?


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Get a life, you are the one wasting other peoples time just because we don't buy the marketing BS and agree with your opinion you feel like you need to bully others!!!

you offered no constructive feedback. You sound like a high school kid. Maybe if you were more mature, people might take your responses seriously. Instead, you choose to jump on the bandwagon of "the product doesn't do this, the product doesnt do that, but these other ones do". We've been down that road. You're adding no value.

Lets point out differences - OOB the Lexicon 12HD has Four 32-bit floating-point DSP engines. Mysteriously enough, so does the ML 502. Things that make you go hmmm. They both have logic 7. hmmm..MEridian 861 has processing in the highly developed Meridian 24- and 48-bit DSP cards. Out of the gates, the Classe will have 1 64-bit DSP. In a future upgrade, offered for free they will have 2 64bit processors. sound obsolete?



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Thank you, I probably know more about electronics than you will ever learn,

does it really matter? is this a pissing contest now?


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You are the one with no class, since you can't tolerate different opinions

By the way get a dictionary

I know you are but what am I? (as I stoop to your level)
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post #243 of 5459
6/28/08 at 7:22am
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Lets point out differences - OB the Lexicon 12HD has Four 32-bit floating-point DSP engines. Mysteriously enough, so does the ML 502. Things that make you go hmmm. They both have logic 7. hmmm..MEridian 861 has processing in the highly developed Meridian 24- and 48-bit DSP cards. Out of the gates, the Classe will have 1 64-bit DSP. In a future upgrade, offered for free they will have 2 64bit processors. sound obsolete?

All I can say is get a life, and sorry I happen to disagree with your love of Classe I guess you found god.
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post #244 of 5459
6/28/08 at 7:45am
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Thank you mom



Yes a good friend a mine works at Harman




Maybe you should learn to speak English "hypocrite"




Get a life, you are the one wasting other peoples time just because we don't buy the marketing BS and agree with your opinion you feel like you need to bully others!!!



Thank you, I probably know more about electronics than you will ever learn,



You are the one with no class, since you can't tolerate different opinions

By the way get a dictionary

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All I can say is get a life, and sorry I happen to disagree with your love of Classe I guess you found god.

No, but I did find a weak arguement with no merit and you can't take it. I never said Classe is god. What is god? that is not for me to decide.

You really should think before you speak. How can you disagree with "my love of Classe"? If it is my love, then it isn't yours to agree with. We can agree that you do not to like Classe, which is fine. I'd ask you what brought you to that conclusion first. I'm curious about how people perceive things differently and will invite that conversation any day. I'd be interested in how you demo'd the product and what you compared it to? What were the factors you liked and didn't like about the Classe vs. the other product? But you didn't provide that, did you? You looked at a spec list and concluded that Classe is "obsolete" (in your own words) based on that list, which really makes me wonder if you understood what you were reading.

If you told me it was because of HBR, you had to have it internally, I'd say Classe is working to add that feature in the next six month's but they are focused to get it out the door as soon as possible. In the mean time if you have a source player that can decode on board, such as a PS3, you can still enjoy the HBR encoded media when the SSP-800 ships.

If you told me you had to have Trinnov / Audyssey, I'd ask you if you have past experience with it? If so, I'd ask what it was that you liked about it? Was there anything you didn't like about it? I'd also ask about your room? Is it a dedicated room where you can focus on treating it, or is it a mult-purpose room where there is a high level of WAF? I'd ask you if you have any previous experience doing your own EQ, the manual way? Because the Classe does offer an EQ on every channel. If not, I'd say you could speak to your dealer and get a quote on how much they'd charge to configure it.


Lastly, I'd challenge you to listen to the Classe and the Denon in your own home, providing the dealer could offer that and let us know your findings based solely on audio quality, clarity, and experience. We know Classe doesn't compete on features, so it would not validate this test.

This *hobby* is very subjective. There is no guarrantee that everyone will like the same product, let a lone be able to identify the nuances between them. A lot of jobs kill our ears ability to interpret what we are hearing, and we lose range of certain db. For some people, good will always be good enough. There will never be a case where better is worth the ROI. We can all except that.
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post #245 of 5459
6/28/08 at 9:37am
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Lastly, I'd challenge you to listen to the Classe and the Denon in your own home, providing the dealer could offer that and let us know your findings based solely on audio quality, clarity, and experience. We know Classe doesn't compete on features, so it would not validate this test.

This *hobby* is very subjective. There is no guarrantee that everyone will like the same product, let a lone be able to identify the nuances between them. A lot of jobs kill our ears ability to interpret what we are hearing, and we lose range of certain db. For some people, good will always be good enough. There will never be a case where better is worth the ROI. We can all except that.

Sure wish it were possible to audition BOTH the Denon and the Classe to be able to "A/B" them, but while I do have a Classe dealer, none of the local Denon dealers will carry the AVP since they know that due to the economy, they cannot sell them. I do like the fact that the Classe piece does not have tons of legacy connections that are unnecessary for most of us and would love to try out the AVP w/ room equalization vs. the Classe w/o. Therefore, I must vicariously get my audition info by reading pre/pro threads like this one.

MikeSp
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post #246 of 5459
6/28/08 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by sikoniko View Post

This *hobby* is very subjective. There is no guarantee that everyone will like the same product, let a lone be able to identify the nuances between them. A lot of jobs kill our ears ability to interpret what we are hearing, and we lose range of certain db. For some people, good will always be good enough. There will never be a case where better is worth the ROI. We can all except that.

Finally something we agree on. So to each her own
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post #247 of 5459
6/29/08 at 8:18pm
[quote=MikeSp;14179151]Sure wish it were possible to audition BOTH the Denon and the Classe to be able to "A/B" them, but while I do have a Classe dealer, none of the local Denon dealers will carry the AVP since they know that due to the economy, they cannot sell them. I do like the fact that the Classe piece does not have tons of legacy connections that are unnecessary for most of us and would love to try out the AVP w/ room equalization vs. the Classe w/o. Therefore, I must vicariously get my audition info by reading pre/pro threads like this one.

MikeSp[/QUOTE]

Any one knows why Classe did not incorporate AUDYSSEY MULTI HQ. I heard the marketing guys saying it doesn't work
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post #248 of 5459
7/23/08 at 7:12pm
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Sure wish it were possible to audition BOTH the Denon and the Classe to be able to "A/B" them, but while I do have a Classe dealer, none of the local Denon dealers will carry the AVP since they know that due to the economy, they cannot sell them. I do like the fact that the Classe piece does not have tons of legacy connections that are unnecessary for most of us and would love to try out the AVP w/ room equalization vs. the Classe w/o. Therefore, I must vicariously get my audition info by reading pre/pro threads like this one.

MikeSp

I'll start by saying I'm a salesguy (boo hiss, I can hear it now) and work at a place that sells Classe. And without even getting into this argument specifically, let me put out this notion.....

Genuine quality and engineering will always produce a superior result to something whose main claim to fame is that is has the latest chip. "Chasing chips" will always leave you behind the times and almost obsolete while purchasing something of genuine quality will always satisfy. So for example, does anyone think that an $800 receiver with True HD & DTS-HD MA will actually sound better than an SSP-300/CA-5100 processor/amp combo playing back good ole DD or DTS? Uh, no.

And to address this issue, the SSP-800 will have an update made available (free) with on-board processing of the new formats. In the meantime, you decode in the player and send it out PCM to the 800. Not a huge deal.
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post #249 of 5459
7/23/08 at 8:39pm
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And to address this issue, the SSP-800 will have an update made available (free) with on-board processing of the new formats. In the meantime, you decode in the player and send it out PCM to the 800. Not a huge deal.

When? We all have heard about upgrades that never came to be left in the dust with an outdated pre/pro at $8K not $800
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post #250 of 5459
7/23/08 at 9:18pm
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Genuine quality and engineering will always produce a superior result to something whose main claim to fame is that is has the latest chip. "Chasing chips" will always leave you behind the times and almost obsolete while purchasing something of genuine quality will always satisfy. So for example, does anyone think that an $800 receiver with True HD & DTS-HD MA will actually sound better than an SSP-300/CA-5100 processor/amp combo playing back good ole DD or DTS? Uh, no.

I suspect it is partially for this reason that the folks over at What HiFi chose the SSP-600 for their reference system. It's not the latest and greatest but it does do the old school formats very well among other things.

At another place and time the question was raised if a higher caliber low resolution processor like the Classe' SSP-600 was at a sonic disadvantage to a lower caliber high resolution processor like Rotel's RSP-1069. Having owned both brands I offered my opinion to the discussion. The conclusion of the discourse ultimately resulted in what you concisely summarized here on the subject.
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post #251 of 5459
7/23/08 at 9:57pm
RebelMan,

Do you have any thoughts/comments/observations on the SSP-800 analog preamp stage compared to the SSP-600 preamp stage? More than "its great" I mean... any similarities/differences?
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post #252 of 5459
7/24/08 at 5:02am
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RebelMan,

Do you have any thoughts/comments/observations on the SSP-800 analog preamp stage compared to the SSP-600 preamp stage? More than "its great" I mean... any similarities/differences?

I'm not Rebelman, but since neither of us have the SSP-800, I think we could both take a stab at expected results...

The SSP-600 had the preamp equivelant of the CP-500; whereas the SSP-800 has the preamp equivelant of the CP-700, but using newer technology to acheive this, thus giving it the potential to exceed the ability of the CP-700. Real world results are still TBD.
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post #253 of 5459
7/24/08 at 10:58am
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I suspect it is partially for this reason that the folks over at What HiFi chose the SSP-600 for their reference system. It's not the latest and greatest but it does do the old school formats very well among other things.

At another place and time the question was raised if a higher caliber low resolution processor like the Classe' SSP-600 was at a sonic disadvantage to a lower caliber high resolution processor like Rotel's RSP-1069. Having owned both brands I offered my opinion to the discussion. The conclusion of the discourse ultimately resulted in what you concisely summarized here on the subject.

Thank you for the supportive comments. We also sell Rotel and we all love it, but it is not designed or intended to be superior to the Classe products, again newer features and chips notwithstanding. We do have a prototype SSP-800 and I can assure you that it is quite an improvement over the SSP-600/SSP-300. Immediately on replacing the 600, even with no break-in it was a big improvement. Our acoustician just completed dialing in the EQ (MUST be done by someone trained with the proper test equipment) and gave it the thumbs up.

And to address 'wse' and his comments, I completely understand your hesitancy in promised upgrades and then being let down. We all know how disappointed Proceed owners were and are. BUT......B&W owns Classe and B&W has some deep, deep pockets, and they are completely committed to making Classe the world's preeminent high-end brand.

Cheers..............Scott.
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post #254 of 5459
7/24/08 at 12:28pm
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The SSP-600 had the preamp equivelant of the CP-500; whereas the SSP-800 has the preamp equivelant of the CP-700, but using newer technology to acheive this, thus giving it the potential to exceed the ability of the CP-700. Real world results are still TBD.

That's very helpful, thank you!
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post #255 of 5459
7/24/08 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by Scott Wallace View Post

Thank you for the supportive comments. We also sell Rotel and we all love it, but it is not designed or intended to be superior to the Classe products, again newer features and chips notwithstanding. We do have a prototype SSP-800 and I can assure you that it is quite an improvement over the SSP-600/SSP-300. Immediately on replacing the 600, even with no break-in it was a big improvement. Our acoustician just completed dialing in the EQ (MUST be done by someone trained with the proper test equipment) and gave it the thumbs up.
Cheers..............Scott.

are you able to provide any information as to what classe is looking for in their dealer testing?

when you get a chance, would you sit down and give it a good listen and post a review?
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post #256 of 5459
7/24/08 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by Scott Wallace View Post

Thank you for the supportive comments. We do have a prototype SSP-800 and I can assure you that it is quite an improvement over the SSP-600/SSP-300. Immediately on replacing the 600, even with no break-in it was a big improvement. Our acoustician just completed dialing in the EQ (MUST be done by someone trained with the proper test equipment) and gave it the thumbs up.

And to address 'wse' and his comments, I completely understand your hesitancy in promised upgrades and then being let down. We all know how disappointed Proceed owners were and are. BUT......B&W owns Classe and B&W has some deep, deep pockets, and they are completely committed to making Classe the world's preeminent high-end brand.

Cheers..............Scott.

Thank you Scott where is your dealership? Also do you have any time frame as to when Classé will upgrade the SSP-800 to include DTS HD Master Audio and DD Tru HD? I realize Classé owns them but still as you said I use to own Proceed and it was owned by Mark Levison and Harman a realy big company!!

So I think that I will wait to see Classé fully upgraded with all new codec plus it will give them time to fix all the bugs Hopefully before 2009
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post #257 of 5459
7/31/08 at 12:31pm
For interested readers this was just posted on the Classe' website today...

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SSP-800 Availability Update
July 31, 2008

Early in July we shipped a small number of pre-release units to expand the number of installations using SSP-800s. Our goal has been to gather more feedback on possible HDMI compatibility issues and discover if any major bugs had slipped through our own testing.

The results of this additional testing have been extremely positive, with the handful of dealers involved in the program unanimously reporting the best performance they have ever heard from a surround sound preamp/processor.

Vu Phan at High End Theater in Texas reported:
"The SSP800 is the best processor we have ever heard, and we are hardcore audiophiles! Congratulations to the people at Classe who made this possible."

Igor Kivritsky at Hi Fi Center in BC said:
"You guys really outdid yourselves on this one... I could instantly hear a major improvement in detail, focus and tonality"

Along with the positive comments, a few new issues were in fact discovered, although none that would be considered particularly serious. Until a few days ago, it looked like we were on our way to releasing official software to production for shipments to commence today. Then an old digital audio noise problem related to DVI switching that we thought had been resolved, reappeared. The good news is that we can now reliably reproduce the problem, which was not the case when it was first identified some time ago. The bad news is that we now need to trace the problem, fix it and re-test. That will take more time. Meanwhile, there are many customers with theater systems down, waiting for the SSP-800. There are also dealers who need the SSP-800 for their demonstration rooms.

To accommodate those of you who have no theater until we deliver the SSP-800, we will make more pre-release units available in North America. This will further widen the scope of feedback we get while solving problems for those who are willing to install a unit which will require a further software update.

Pre-release hardware is 100% , only the software is in a pre-release status. This software is identified by a yellow band across the display.

If you are interested in obtaining a pre-release unit, contact your dealer about availability. A shipment of pre-release units will be made to our distribution facility in Buffalo next week and distributed to dealers immediately from there. Once we approve a final software release, the yellow band will be removed and these units may be updated with the official production code.

We apologize for the additional delay of official production but we are trying to accommodate those of you who can accept the SSP-800 temporarily as it is and don’t mind doing an additional update.

Stay tuned to the website for further announcements regarding SSP-800 availability and thanks again for your patience and support of Classé.

Regards,
David Nauber
Executive VP
Classé

*Shipments to overseas markets will begin at the same time as shipments within North America. For our overseas customers, please be aware that the additional distribution channels may add up four to six weeks to delivery.
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post #258 of 5459
8/1/08 at 10:09am
RebelMan - thanks for the update. Anyone here going for a "pre-release" unit? What say you Kal?
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post #259 of 5459
8/1/08 at 10:36am
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RebelMan - thanks for the update. Anyone here going for a "pre-release" unit? What say you Kal?

It is against editorial policy to review a "pre-release" unit unless that unit is specified to be fully equivalent, hardware, firmware and software, to the production unit. So, no, I will be waiting for the real thing to come along.
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post #260 of 5459
8/1/08 at 11:06am
Kal,

I suspected you were going to say that.

BTW, I am a LONG-time Stereophile reader and subscriber, a music lover, former bass "player" (strictly non-pro), and every month I really look forward to your "Music in the Round" articles.

My first "high end" pieces were the Phase Linear 400 amp and matching preamp (the one with the "joystick" in the middle) that I purchased in the late seventies (and still own). For the past year, I have been waiting for a pre/pro to replace my Parasound C1, and this Classe unit is on my very short list.

I need to call Terry at Overture Audio and get his scoop.

Thanks Kal.

Jeff.





Back on topic -
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post #261 of 5459
8/1/08 at 3:23pm
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RebelMan - thanks for the update. Anyone here going for a "pre-release" unit? What say you Kal?

My pleasure. There are a few people going for the pre-release unit. A poll on another forum is asking the same question and so far the choice is split between readers.
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post #262 of 5459
8/1/08 at 3:25pm
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It is against editorial policy to review a "pre-release" unit unless that unit is specified to be fully equivalent, hardware, firmware and software, to the production unit. So, no, I will be waiting for the real thing to come along.

Hopefully your wait will be short.
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post #263 of 5459
8/11/08 at 6:27pm
Talk about data loss, anyways this is now a good time to focus on the analog/pre amp section of the SSP-800.
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post #264 of 5459
8/12/08 at 8:20pm
Any news on the analog section or was this just more classe hot air?
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post #265 of 5459
8/13/08 at 4:03am
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Any news on the analog section or was this just more classe hot air?

I think you are saying that just to get a reaction...

If you think Classe is all show and no go, why do you have such intrerest in it?
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post #266 of 5459
8/13/08 at 8:50am
I would be happy if Classe would return my amp and pre-amp that have been in for service since the end of June.

I wonder if Denon's turn around time for service is any better?
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post #267 of 5459
8/13/08 at 8:54pm
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I think you are saying that just to get a reaction...

No, we were having a discussion about it until the forum data loss and since the sound quality better or worse would come from the analog section of the SSP-800 I think that is what we should focus on. Plus every other processor I have looked at does not have a "special" analog section.

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If you think Classe is all show and no go, why do you have such intrerest in it?

I am looking for a good processor but so far nothing stands out.
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post #268 of 5459
8/14/08 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by DougWinsor View Post

No, we were having a discussion about it until the forum data loss and since the sound quality better or worse would come from the analog section of the SSP-800 I think that is what we should focus on. Plus every other processor I have looked at does not have a "special" analog section.



I am looking for a good processor but so far nothing stands out.

Fair enough. I will say that when you comment, sometimes your statements come across rather agressive.

What is your current experience with the Classe Delta series?
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post #269 of 5459
8/14/08 at 7:02pm
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What is your current experience with the Classe Delta series?

I have not bothered to listen or look at the SSP-300 or the SSP-600, the only part about the SSP-800 I am interested in is obviously the analog section.
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post #270 of 5459
8/16/08 at 6:08am
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I have not bothered to listen or look at the SSP-300 or the SSP-600, the only part about the SSP-800 I am interested in is obviously the analog section.

Do you have a local dealer that sells Classe? If so, ask to demo the current series. If not, you won't be able to buy Classe anyways.
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