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post #4501 of 5779
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Originally Posted by StockInv View Post

I currently have McIntosh amps (MC501) and am upgrading my A/V Processor. I was offered a choice between the new McIntosh A/V processor (MX121) which will be on the market next month, or the Classe SSP-800. The Classe will run about 3M more than the McIntosh. Would the McIntosh processor be more compatible with my current McIntosh amps or would the Classe be even better? Thank you for your help.

I have an Mc-352 running my mains, and I have found no problems with any sort of compatibility. I use the 12v trigger to power on the MC-352 when the 800 is powered on, and no problems there either. And prior to purchasing the SSP-800, my pre/pro was an Mc MX-132. While I loved the MX-132, I am extremely happy with the 800! Musically, I think the DAC's in the 800 have a much better sound stage than the MX-132 (albeit much older technology). I also have a Mc MVP-851(CD/DVD-A), and I think the 800's DAC's are every bit as comparable to the MVP-851. I find I am using the 800's DAC's the majority of the time for 2 channel, and multi-channel music.
As Roger stated, if you want an on-board autoEQ then the 800 might not be for you. However, I have found the 800's PEQ's bands to be more than adequate for my needs (when used with something like XTZ).
Bottom line for me is; I'm not looking for another pre/pro for many years to come. I am very satisfied. Good luck on your quest!

Dave
post #4502 of 5779
You should consider ADA.
I've compared both the SSP 800 and the ADA 7.1 HD (or Mach IV).
In fact... there is no comparison.
ADA sounds better than the Classe.
3D sound, speed, precision, DSP modes are awesome on the ADA. ADA is fully configurable.

The Classe is a good SSP but I find it too much expensive regarding performances and how well the unit works (no gremlins or hdmi issues or .. on the ADA).

ADA is for me the best value at any price. I tested an impressive number of units for past years.

Regards.
post #4503 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Sound&Life View Post

You should consider ADA.
I've compared both the SSP 800 and the ADA 7.1 HD (or Mach IV).
In fact... there is no comparison.
ADA sounds better than the Classe.
3D sound, speed, precision, DSP modes are awesome on the ADA. ADA is fully configurable.

The Classe is a good SSP but I find it too much expensive regarding performances and how well the unit works (no gremlins or hdmi issues or .. on the ADA).

ADA is for me the best value at any price. I tested an impressive number of units for past years.

Regards.

I recently read a post on the Oppo BDP-95 where an owner of both the Classe CT-SSP and the BDP-95 stated that the D/A converter on the Oppo sounded better than that of the Classe. The post killled my desire to buy the Classe as its too much money for a 1k product to compete with it for sound.
post #4504 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Sound&Life View Post

You should consider ADA.
I've compared both the SSP 800 and the ADA 7.1 HD (or Mach IV).
In fact... there is no comparison.
ADA sounds better than the Classe.
3D sound, speed, precision, DSP modes are awesome on the ADA. ADA is fully configurable.

The Classe is a good SSP but I find it too much expensive regarding performances and how well the unit works (no gremlins or hdmi issues or .. on the ADA).

ADA is for me the best value at any price. I tested an impressive number of units for past years.

Regards.

Sorry, I do not agree. Although the ADA is an excellent processor for movies. In fact, if someone needed a piece strictly for movies, I would recommend the ADA to anyone. However, it's not at the level of the Classe for music.

If you want high end movie playback performance, the ADA.
If you need high end movie and musc, the Classe.

Just my opinion.
post #4505 of 5779
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

I recently read a post on the Oppo BDP-95 where an owner of both the Classe CT-SSP and the BDP-95 stated that the D/A converter on the Oppo sounded better than that of the Classe. The post killled my desire to buy the Classe as its too much money for a 1k product to compete with it for sound.

The BDP95 uses one of the best dacs around, Sabre dacs. However, unless you plan on using multichannel analog, you will not get the benefits of the Sabre dacs in a multichannel environment. Not a realistic option if want to leverage bass management and/or the PEQ on the Classe or the ADA.
post #4506 of 5779
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

I recently read a post on the Oppo BDP-95 where an owner of both the Classe CT-SSP and the BDP-95 stated that the D/A converter on the Oppo sounded better than that of the Classe. The post killled my desire to buy the Classe as its too much money for a 1k product to compete with it for sound.

I wonder will he/she have the same opinion a year from now? I would like a more detailed answer of "better" in what way? Better dynamics,soundstaging ? I need more than "better". I always equate statements like that with caution. The new toy syndrome. The analogy I use is as an example is anyone who has ever had an affair while married or in a monogamous relationship, it's not necessarily "better" than what you have already, it's new and different from what you've become accustomed to. I am thinking of buying an Oppo to replace my Pansonic BD 30 which has been great but slow as molasses. Wondering if you have a link to this statement? I still own my SSP-800 and have no plans on replacing it, I needed a processor that sounded great on music and not just movies. Some of us have 2 channel backgrounds and enjoy listening to music.
post #4507 of 5779
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

The BDP95 uses one of the best dacs around, Sabre dacs. However, unless you plan on using multichannel analog, you will not get the benefits of the Sabre dacs in a multichannel environment. Not a realistic option if want to leverage bass management the PEQ on the Classe.

So true. I have an 83SE, purchased prior to upgradiing my pre/pro to the SSP-800. Now I don't benefit from the upgraded DAC's( I have thought about letting the 83SE go, for someone else to benefit from the upgrade, and pick up a 93). I also had an external analog bass mngmnt. unit, but with the 800 that is also on to the next user.

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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

I wonder will he/she have the same opinion a year from now? I would like a more detailed answer of "better" in what way? Better dynamics,soundstaging ? I need more than "better". I always equate statements like that with caution. The new toy syndrome. The analogy I use is as an example is anyone who has ever had an affair while married or in a monogamous relationship, it's not necessarily "better" than what you have already, it's new and different from what you've become accustomed to. I am thinking of buying an Oppo to replace my Pansonic BD 30 which has been great but slow as molasses. Wondering if you have a link to this statement? I still own my SSP-800 and have no plans on replacing it, I needed a processor that sounded great on music and not just movies. Some of us have 2 channel backgrounds and enjoy listening to music.

I also use the 800 for 2 channel listening (vinyl and CD), as well as alot of DVD-A multi channel music repro., and for my listening pleasure the 800 performs beautifully! I'm with Sharp1080; I needed a pre/pro that performs for movie listening, as well as music repro., and the 800 is the perfect fit for my ear and environment.

Dave
post #4508 of 5779
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

The BDP95 uses one of the best dacs around, Sabre dacs. However, unless you plan on using multichannel analog, you will not get the benefits of the Sabre dacs in a multichannel environment. Not a realistic option if want to leverage bass management the PEQ on the Classe.

Or on the ADA. And yes, the ADA is extremely programmable, and an extreme headache to exercise those options by mere mortals. The Classe, OTOH, is the easiest processor I have used, and that includes Lexicon MC12, Meridian 861, and Tag AV32R.
post #4509 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Or on the ADA. And yes, the ADA is extremely programmable, and an extreme headache to exercise those options by mere mortals. The Classe, OTOH, is the easiest processor I have used, and that includes Lexicon MC12, Meridian 861, and Tag AV32R.

+1 for me that includes the Lexicon, Arcam, Anthem and Cary.
post #4510 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

I wonder will he/she have the same opinion a year from now? I would like a more detailed answer of "better" in what way? Better dynamics,soundstaging ? I need more than "better". I always equate statements like that with caution. The new toy syndrome. The analogy I use is as an example is anyone who has ever had an affair while married or in a monogamous relationship, it's not necessarily "better" than what you have already, it's new and different from what you've become accustomed to. I am thinking of buying an Oppo to replace my Pansonic BD 30 which has been great but slow as molasses. Wondering if you have a link to this statement? I still own my SSP-800 and have no plans on replacing it, I needed a processor that sounded great on music and not just movies. Some of us have 2 channel backgrounds and enjoy listening to music.

Well the dynamic and sound staging are better on the Oppo BDP-95. It is not a new toy syndrome, it is just that the Classé was released in 2008 which is an eternity in computer life as well as electronics. At the time it was the best, Oppo BDP-95 was released in 2011 and used the best DACs around.

The music sound more lifelike presence when using the analog in the Oppo and bypassing the Classé.

Also when using a USB thumb-drive, it plays play high-resolution up to 192-kHz/24-bit files which is absolutely amazing try it!

My impression is for multichannel SACD and two channel audio using XLR, I feel that the music especially classical symphonies have a deeper and broader soundstage. It is like being at a live symphony like at the Walt Disney Symphony in LA

I still like the Classé but have to admit the Oppo sounds better, and yes I am sure that when Oppo releases the next version in late 2012 early 2013 it will sound better and I am saving my $$$

Classé will eventually replace the SSP-800 but at what cost!
post #4511 of 5779
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Originally Posted by wse View Post


I still like the Classé but have to admit the Oppo sounds better, and yes I am sure that when Oppo releases the next version in late 2012 early 2013 it will sound better and I am saving my $$$

Classé will eventually replace the SSP-800 but at what cost!

Nothing stands still, and I think its reasonable to expect the ssp-800 will become outdated, after what, 6 years now? Not bad really.

And the replacement? Probably something made in China, and I will be moving on....
post #4512 of 5779
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

The BDP95 uses one of the best dacs around, Sabre dacs. However, unless you plan on using multichannel analog, you will not get the benefits of the Sabre dacs in a multichannel environment. Not a realistic option if want to leverage bass management and/or the PEQ on the Classe or the ADA.

The Oppo BDP-95 has extensive bass management. I know because I tested one in my home for about 25 days.
post #4513 of 5779
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Well the dynamic and sound staging are better on the Oppo BDP-95. It is not a new toy syndrome, it is just that the Classé was released in 2008 which is an eternity in computer life as well as electronics. At the time it was the best, Oppo BDP-95 was released in 2011 and used the best DACs around.

I'm not arguing your opinion, but disagree with the notion that from an SQ standpoint, 2011 vs. 2008 is an eternity. And I think it's a mistaken notion to think that a newer DAC chip translates into better sound -- there's a lot more to the whole SQ equation -- quality of the output stages, etc.

As for ergonomics, which I think a much more important aspect for SSPs than usually given credit for, I'll add Theta to list of mediocre to inscrutable UIs. Out of others mentioned, after the Classe, I found the Lexicon MC12B pretty easy to use. Owned Meridian as well, and like some others here am not nuts about having to break out a computer to configure. We're ten years into the 21st century now, and many of the interfaces out there feel little better than old DOS software.
post #4514 of 5779
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Originally Posted by gbaby View Post

The Oppo BDP-95 has extensive bass management. I know because I tested one in my home for about 25 days.

I'm aware of that but at that point you might as well go with a multichannel analog pre.
post #4515 of 5779
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Well the dynamic and sound staging are better on the Oppo BDP-95. It is not a new toy syndrome, it is just that the Classé was released in 2008 which is an eternity in computer life as well as electronics. At the time it was the best, Oppo BDP-95 was released in 2011 and used the best DACs around.

The music sound more lifelike presence when using the analog in the Oppo and bypassing the Classé.

Also when using a USB thumb-drive, it plays play high-resolution up to 192-kHz/24-bit files which is absolutely amazing try it!

My impression is for multichannel SACD and two channel audio using XLR, I feel that the music especially classical symphonies have a deeper and broader soundstage. It is like being at a live symphony like at the Walt Disney Symphony in LA

I still like the Classé but have to admit the Oppo sounds better, and yes I am sure that when Oppo releases the next version in late 2012 early 2013 it will sound better and I am saving my $$$

Classé will eventually replace the SSP-800 but at what cost!

I also have always preferred using the balanced analog from my A1 player with the SSP800. I know there are cd/sacd player of a higher pedigree but this is the best 2 channel has ever sounded for me. I do pretty much everything else bluray m/c dvd-a and sacd using the SSP800.
post #4516 of 5779
I have had my HDMI1.4 SSP800 for about 8 months now and I really like it. I had an HDMI1.3 version (upgraded with DSP board from the original 1.0 model) before but I traded that in for the 1.4 model because the old one had hardware problems.

Does anyone use the HDMI1.4 SSP800 and succesfully passthrough 3D modes from an Oppo (BDP95) player towards a 3D capable projector? (I have a brand new Sony vpl-vw95es)
The Oppo keeps saying that it cannot detect a 3D capable display. So the 3D will not play at all.
When I remove the SSP800 from the chain then the Oppo detects the vw95 fine and 3D plays OK.
That is why I am suspecting either the Classe or the Oppo to be at fault here.

Any/all tips are welcome here.
post #4517 of 5779
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Originally Posted by riwi View Post

I have had my HDMI1.4 SSP800 for about 8 months now and I really like it. I had an HDMI1.3 version (upgraded with DSP board from the original 1.0 model) before but I traded that in for the 1.4 model because the old one had hardware problems.

Does anyone use the HDMI1.4 SSP800 and succesfully passthrough 3D modes from an Oppo (BDP95) player towards a 3D capable projector? (I have a brand new Sony vpl-vw95es)
The Oppo keeps saying that it cannot detect a 3D capable display. So the 3D will not play at all.
When I remove the SSP800 from the chain then the Oppo detects the vw95 fine and 3D plays OK.
That is why I am suspecting either the Classe or the Oppo to be at fault here.

Any/all tips are welcome here.

I'm passing 3D through my Classe to my JVC without issue. I have the Oppo BDP93. Your firmware fully updated on both the Classe and Oppo?
post #4518 of 5779
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Originally Posted by riwi View Post

I have had my HDMI1.4 SSP800 for about 8 months now and I really like it. I had an HDMI1.3 version (upgraded with DSP board from the original 1.0 model) before but I traded that in for the 1.4 model because the old one had hardware problems.

Does anyone use the HDMI1.4 SSP800 and succesfully passthrough 3D modes from an Oppo (BDP95) player towards a 3D capable projector? (I have a brand new Sony vpl-vw95es)
The Oppo keeps saying that it cannot detect a 3D capable display. So the 3D will not play at all.
When I remove the SSP800 from the chain then the Oppo detects the vw95 fine and 3D plays OK.
That is why I am suspecting either the Classe or the Oppo to be at fault here.

Any/all tips are welcome here.

Same problem here with Oppo BDP-93 but you can easily resolve this
Check the settings in the Oppo, there is an option saying something like "Force 3D" or something like that which will force the player to always send out 3D material if the source is 3D, this is how I solved it and it works like a charm.
post #4519 of 5779
Thanks for the quick replies
My Oppo is on BDP-9x-61-1219 which is the latest release.
The Classe is on 3.0.1 build 0093 I am not sure if that is the latest but I think so.

I just put the 3D mode to forced. I did not see that option yesterday night. I think it is greyed out during playing of a disk.

I will give it a go later on when I fire up the projector.
Thank you very much for pointing this out to me.

--
Separate thing. I read many people being surprised that the Oppo sounds better via XLR then via HDMI. People conclude that "therefore the dacs/audio path of the Oppo are better then the Classe's". I think this is mainly so because the digital output of the Oppo is quite bad. spdif and hdmi sound is really flat compared to the analogue output. The Classe is just taking the bad digital signal and cannot recover. I was thinking of having the digital section in the Oppo modified so that I do not need to use the XLR out anymore. I read reviews saying that the HDMI sound would be up to par with the analogue outputs after this modification.
post #4520 of 5779
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Originally Posted by riwi View Post

I read reviews saying that the HDMI sound would be up to par with the analogue outputs after this modification.

I would be curious as to who is making that claim? If the player outputs digital properly to the Classe, it should sound fine. If you are comparing the DAC and analog output stage of the 95 vs the Classe, some people have claimed to hear a difference.

What are they claiming the mod is that improves the digital output on the Oppo?
post #4521 of 5779
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

I would be curious as to who is making that claim? If the player outputs digital properly to the Classe, it should sound fine. If you are comparing the the DAC and analog output stage of the 95 vs the Classe, some people have claimed to hear a difference.

What are they claiming the mod is to improve the digital output?

I find that the spdif and hdmi sound (for stereo, PCM and flac) from the Oppo is not really usable. Even on my bdp83 the spdif was worse then the analog outputs. Now with the bdp95 the difference is even bigger.

The modding guys (cinemike.de) claim they can improve the digital section a lot (for 750 euro) and can also do (another 750 euro's worth) of improvements on the analogue section. I like the analogue section of the BDP95 fine the way it is now. I was thinking the digital 'upgrade' would not hurt and allow me to use the ssp800 better.

They do not specify all changes : powersupply and mainboard, filtering of the fan, dampening material.

German review : http://www.erlebniszuhause.de/pages/...ke-edition.php
However this guy report improvement in picture quality which makes it not really believable for me. I am very cynical towards improving PQ via HDMI connections.
post #4522 of 5779
Honestly, I do not see how they can improve digital output. The Oppo is just outputting a digital signal (0's and 1's) for the Classe to decode and output. Unless someone can explain it to me, I do not understand how that can be improved. However, an upgrade to the analog stage is real and possible. Although, I understand the Oppo 95 has an excellent analog stage as is.

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Originally Posted by riwi View Post

I find that the spdif and hdmi sound (for stereo, PCM and flac) from the Oppo is not really usable. Even on my bdp83 the spdif was worse then the analog outputs. Now with the bdp95 the difference is even bigger.

The modding guys (cinemike.de) claim they can improve the digital section a lot (for 750 euro) and can also do (another 750 euro's worth) of improvements on the analogue section. I like the analogue section of the BDP95 fine the way it is now. I was thinking the digital 'upgrade' would not hurt and allow me to use the ssp800 better.

They do not specify all changes : powersupply and mainboard, filtering of the fan, dampening material.

German review : http://www.erlebniszuhause.de/pages/...ke-edition.php
However this guy report improvement in picture quality which makes it not really believable for me. I am very cynical towards improving PQ via HDMI connections.
post #4523 of 5779
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Honestly, I do not see how they can improve digital output. The Oppo is just outputting a digital signal (0's and 1's) for the Classe to decode and output. Unless someone can explain it to me, I do not understand how that can be improved. However, an upgrade to the analog stage is real and possible. Although, I understand the Oppo 95 has an excellent analog stage as is.

I think the discussion of the influence of jitter on digital clockless connections is really off topic here. Anyway with spdif/hdmi the receiving end (ssp800) does not run it's own clock, but uses the received data as a clock. Then this clock is used to drive the DAC section in the ssp800. If the rate of '0's and '1's fluctuates the DAC's output also fluctuates causing audible problems.
In HDMI the audio signal is interwoven with video. Actually the video signal dictates the flow. the received clock via HDMI is usually even worse because of that.

Anyway, I have done Electrical Engineering but I cannot explain all differences that I can hear. Also it is not my hobby to explain all doubts of sceptics away. I hear what I hear. I definately hear differences between various digital outputs and even some digital cables. I used to play with a CEC CD player (TL-2X) that has a very bad digital output if you measure it. However the CEC player sounded heavenly, therefore I ask no further questions but instead just enjoy the music
post #4524 of 5779
You brought up the subject, not me.

If your claiming the Oppo mod will eliminate digital clock jitter, then go for it. I'd love to compare it myself but I don't know anyone that has a modded unit to compare.

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Originally Posted by riwi View Post

I think the discussion of the influence of jitter on digital clockless connections is really off topic here. Anyway with spdif/hdmi the receiving end (ssp800) does not run it's own clock, but uses the received data as a clock. Then this clock is used to drive the DAC section in the ssp800. If the rate of '0's and '1's fluctuates the DAC's output also fluctuates causing audible problems.
In HDMI the audio signal is interwoven with video. Actually the video signal dictates the flow. the received clock via HDMI is usually even worse because of that.

Anyway, I have done Electrical Engineering but I cannot explain all differences that I can hear. Also it is not my hobby to explain all doubts of sceptics away. I hear what I hear. I definately hear differences between various digital outputs and even some digital cables. I used to play with a CEC CD player (TL-2X) that has a very bad digital output if you measure it. However the CEC player sounded heavenly, therefore I ask no further questions but instead just enjoy the music
post #4525 of 5779
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

You brought up the subject, not me.

If your claiming the Oppo mod will eliminate digital clock jitter, then go for it. I'd love to compare it myself but I don't know anyone that has a modded unit to compare.


I know I did. Sorry about that. I'll take that into an Oppo thread if I decide to do this modification.
post #4526 of 5779
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Originally Posted by urskog View Post

Same problem here with Oppo BDP-93 but you can easily resolve this
Check the settings in the Oppo, there is an option saying something like "Force 3D" or something like that which will force the player to always send out 3D material if the source is 3D, this is how I solved it and it works like a charm.

Excellent! Works like a charm for me too Thanks again.
post #4527 of 5779
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Honestly, I do not see how they can improve digital output. The Oppo is just outputting a digital signal (0's and 1's) for the Classe to decode and output. Unless someone can explain it to me, I do not understand how that can be improved. However, an upgrade to the analog stage is real and possible. Although, I understand the Oppo 95 has an excellent analog stage as is.

Very interesting if you listen to Multi Channel SACDs then please read on, from the makers

"CAPABILITIES: Does the SSP-800 handle the raw DSD bitstream from SACD players with HDMI out?

No. We took this decision because DSD really is a unique. The best way of understanding this is by considering DSD in terms of bit length and sample frequency.

CD is generally 16-bit 44.1 kHz. DVD is 16-bit 48 kHz and Blu-ray is 24-bit and up to 192 kHz.

DSD is 1-bit at 2.8224 MHz. This is a structurally different bitstream and handling it correctly does not involve a single chip but a complete signal path from the HDMI input to the DSP.

We clearly want the CTSSP/ SSP-800 to appeal to customers who have built a library of SACDs but we also know that implementing a discrete DSD signal path would impact the retail price of the component. We therefore investigated the available options. Most processors and AVRs that accept DSD over HDMI simply convert the signal to PCM and defeat the whole purpose of a separate path. In fact, although they may exist, we don't know of one that processes DSD signals without this conversion.

The logical solution is to perform the conversion of DSD to analog in a high quality SACD player, such as the type likely to be owned by a potential CTSSP/ SSP-800 owner. These players can then be connected to the SSP via its multichannel analog bypass."


http://bwgroup-support.com/faqs-classe.html
post #4528 of 5779
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Originally Posted by riwi View Post

I have had my HDMI1.4 SSP800 for about 8 months now and I really like it. I had an HDMI1.3 version (upgraded with DSP board from the original 1.0 model) before but I traded that in for the 1.4 model because the old one had hardware problems.

What kind of problems, I have been struggling with problems as well
post #4529 of 5779
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

What kind of problems, I have been struggling with problems as well

Terrible problems.
It started making clicking (relais) sounds where the audio would drop. Intermittent. Sometimes once per hour sometimes once per minute. In the end it was clicking more often then not. The sensor menu would indicate that the ground was missing and the Voltage would go to 0V and then back to 235-245V. Which is weird because I measured my outlets at 228V all the time.
I had it repaired by a local dealer (took 3 months, I just had the ssp 1 month, bought second hand). Then it worked fine for about 6-8 months. Then the clicking started again. Also I saw messages on the front display indicating power failure. So I contacted the german dealer (500km drive) and brought the ssp to them. They 'fixed' it in 2 weeks, so I picked it up again. Once plugged in at home, almost immediately the relais clicking started again, again with the power failure message. After 2 days it would not even boot anymore. Clicking would even happen without anything connected (just power) with the ssp in standby mode.
I made a deal with the german dealer : they took back the ssp, I paid a load of extra euro's and they sold me a brand new one. That was may 2011 if I remember correctly.

My Lexicon never had a single glitch in the 5 years I had it But the Classe sounds really nice

Has anyone measured the power consumption of the ssp800? Mine does 59 Watts in ON mode and 52W in standby
post #4530 of 5779
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Originally Posted by riwi View Post

Terrible problems.
It started making clicking (relais) sounds where the audio would drop. Intermittent. Sometimes once per hour sometimes once per minute. In the end it was clicking more often then not. The sensor menu would indicate that the ground was missing and the Voltage would go to 0V and then back to 235-245V. Which is weird because I measured my outlets at 228V all the time.
I had it repaired by a local dealer (took 3 months, I just had the ssp 1 month, bought second hand). Then it worked fine for about 6-8 months. Then the clicking started again. Also I saw messages on the front display indicating power failure. So I contacted the german dealer (500km drive) and brought the ssp to them. They 'fixed' it in 2 weeks, so I picked it up again. Once plugged in at home, almost immediately the relais clicking started again, again with the power failure message. After 2 days it would not even boot anymore. Clicking would even happen without anything connected (just power) with the ssp in standby mode.
I made a deal with the german dealer : they took back the ssp, I paid a load of extra euro's and they sold me a brand new one. That was may 2011 if I remember correctly.

My Lexicon never had a single glitch in the 5 years I had it But the Classe sounds really nice

Has anyone measured the power consumption of the ssp800? Mine does 59 Watts in ON mode and 52W in standby

Whoa this is wild
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