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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Thats the problem I have a fair amount of sacd's both 2-channel and multi channel I tend to listen to all my sacd's in 2-channel even if both options are offered, however there are a few exceptions Steely Dan, Roxy music's Avalon come to mind. Actually I was curious about this statement on the Oppo website regarding sacd playback, "The BDP-93 plays Super Audio CD (SACD) and supports both stereo and multi-channel high resolution audio programs. Users can select whether to output the DSD (Direct Stream Digital) signal in its native format or convert it into PCM." I don't beleive I have that option with the A1. How do you listen to m/c sacd with the SSP800? I would guess that by using HDMI out to the SSP800 I would be outputting the DSD signal in its native format, atleast this sounds like what would be best.

The SSP-800 does not decode DSD and only accepts PCM via HDMI, so you can't stream DSD natively with it if you use HDMI.
post #4592 of 5782
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Originally Posted by cwt View Post

I would have a problem too with the redundancy of using the denon just for 2ch mt14942 . Have you considered trying the 95 on a trial basis [ I believe there is a window when you can return it ? ] Any repairs oppo are very quick at turnaround . There is very little to go wrong once you have converted your blurays ;dvd-a's etc and put them on a NAS or hdd if you envisage this ? Dave Nauber from classe on why the ssp 800 doesnt have dsd dacs ;

Would you mind educating me when you mention putting my disc's on NAS or hdd. Also Thanks for the Dave Nauber discussion link.


http://www.htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=33235

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Originally Posted by 7ryder View Post

The SSP-800 does not decode DSD and only accepts PCM via HDMI, so you can't stream DSD natively with it if you use HDMI.

So since the SSP800 doesn't have DSD dacs, Dave Nauber say's just to convert it to analog. So if I am understanding you correctly the only way to output DSD is to use the analog outputs?
post #4593 of 5782
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

So since the SSP800 doesn't have DSD dacs, Dave Nauber say's just to convert it to analog. So if I am understanding you correctly the only way to output DSD is to use the analog outputs?

Nope. You output PCM from the player to the SSP800. Why shoot yourself in the foot?
post #4594 of 5782
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Would you mind educating me when you mention putting my disc's on NAS or hdd. Also Thanks for the Dave Nauber discussion link

Glad I came across it for you The latest oppos have a capability to read bd[even 3d] folders from a usb or esata hard drive or stream from a local network ; this is the thread that covers the 83/93/95;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1215071

A list of codecs handled;
http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-9...ml#media-files

You just need a program to 'negate' the drm on the disc ; dvdfab is one anyhdvd is another . Hollywood has forced oppo to drop iso playback but theres other methods availableAnyway o/t here best to ask any queries in the 1st thread above.
post #4595 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Nope. You output PCM from the player to the SSP800. Why shoot yourself in the foot?

Ok so with the Oppo BDP93 I would just use the HDMI out to the SSP800 which is what I am currently doing with my A1 and this should give me the best results for m/c sacd's.
post #4596 of 5782
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Originally Posted by cwt View Post

Glad I came across it for you The latest oppos have a capability to read bd[even 3d] folders from a usb or esata hard drive or stream from a local network ; this is the thread that covers the 83/93/95;
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1215071

A list of codecs handled;
http://watershade.net/wmcclain/BDP-9...ml#media-files

You just need a program to 'negate' the drm on the disc ; dvdfab is one anyhdvd is another . Hollywood has forced oppo to drop iso playback but theres other methods availableAnyway o/t here best to ask any queries in the 1st thread above.

Interesting another benefit of the oppo units that I need to explore.
post #4597 of 5782
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Ok so with the Oppo BDP93 I would just use the HDMI out to the SSP800 which is what I am currently doing with my A1 and this should give me the best results for m/c sacd's.

Yes, imho.
post #4598 of 5782
I know I probably should be posting this on the Oppo forum but I know there are a lot of Oppo bd owners here on this forum so I was hoping to get there input. I just got the not so good news about the repair of my Denon A1UDCI universal bd player and they said the bluray drive needs to be replaced at cost of $900.00 plus tax. The bluray drive cost 750.00 and has to be ordered and the labor to install is $150.00 and will probably take a couple of weeks to complete the repair. Am I out of line thinking this seems excessive? I have already call Denon to verify this and to ask them why this would happen after only 2½ years when my Denon 3800 bd player that is nearing 6 years old has never been a problem. I wanted To see if there is anything they can do. Supposedly a manager/supervisor person is going to get back to me on that But I am not going to hold my breath. I am really not sure now if it is worth repairing especially since I can get the new Denon DBP-2012UDCI for the same price as the repair or the top Oppo universal bd player for $100.00 more and pickup the additional technologies that are now available in these players (smart apps, wireless connectivity 3D etc). Also I have been listening to cd playback on my Denon3800 bd player and have not been disaappointed. I am thinking about trying out the Oppo 95 since I have 30 days to trial it and I can atleast compare the 2-channel with its balanced analog xlrs to my Denon3800. If it doesn't sound better I could exchange for the Oppo 93 model.
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

I know I probably should be posting this on the Oppo forum but I know there are a lot of Oppo bd owners here on this forum so I was hoping to get there input. I just got the not so good news about the repair of my Denon A1UDCI universal bd player and they said the bluray drive needs to be replaced at cost of $900.00 plus tax. The bluray drive cost 750.00 and has to be ordered and the labor to install is $150.00 and will probably take a couple of weeks to complete the repair. Am I out of line thinking this seems excessive? I have already call Denon to verify this and to ask them why this would happen after only 2½ years when my Denon 3800 bd player that is nearing 6 years old has never been a problem. I wanted To see if there is anything they can do. Supposedly a manager/supervisor person is going to get back to me on that But I am not going to hold my breath. I am really not sure now if it is worth repairing especially since I can get the new Denon DBP-2012UDCI for the same price as the repair or the top Oppo universal bd player for $100.00 more and pickup the additional technologies that are now available in these players (smart apps, wireless connectivity 3D etc). Also I have been listening to cd playback on my Denon3800 bd player and have not been disaappointed. I am thinking about trying out the Oppo 95 since I have 30 days to trial it and I can atleast compare the 2-channel with its balanced analog xlrs to my Denon3800. If it doesn't sound better I could exchange for the Oppo 93 model.

Or you can do like I did before I stopped listening to CDs (everything is on a server now) -- just buy the cheapest Oppo and feed all audio to the SSP-800 via HDMI.
post #4600 of 5782
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Originally Posted by 7ryder View Post

Or you can do like I did before I stopped listening to CDs (everything is on a server now) -- just buy the cheapest Oppo and feed all audio to the SSP-800 via HDMI.

Seems like either option is the way to go, server/Oppo 93. I'm part of the baby boomer generation and can appreciate not having to bend over to put a disc in the player. I don't know why but when I flipped back and forth between the A1's balanced xlr's and the HDMI connection I would always wind up coming back to the analog connection. I am by no means an expert on these matters but my take is that it comes down to warmer maybe less detailed VS detailed & accurate but maybe not quite as warm sounding. Maybe with my speakers (Vienna Acoustics) tending to be on the warmer side of the spectrum I could use the detail.
post #4601 of 5782
Since my Denon A1 has been in repair I have been using the Denon 3800 in it's place. Yesterday while listening to a cd I decided to switch from the analog input to the hdmi input just to compare the sound. While I was doing this sometimes when I switched to the digital connection the audio would be gone, but lt doesn't happen all the time. It seems to come back when I switch back to the analog and than back again. Also when viewing satellite tv when the programming switches from dd 5.1 to just 2 channel I get an audio drop-out or stutter for a second. I know I am behind in my firmware updates and I was wondering if the latest update addresses this?
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

I know I am behind in my firmware updates and I was wondering if the latest update addresses this?

Which FW are you running?
post #4603 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Which FW are you running?

I am on 2.0.2 build 0075 which I am guessing is about 2 updates behind. I have always had the audio dropout when watching satellite tv when the programming swithches from dd 5.1 to 2-channel but since audio stutter was so slight it wasn't a big deal, so I never commented on it. I don't recall audio dropping out with my A1 when I was switching between the digital and the analog connections to compare the sound. On another note I got some totally unexpected good news from Denon on the repair of my A1. Denon's customer service manager called me Friday at 5:30 and told me that they were going to replace the bluray drive at no cost and that I would just have to pay the $150.00 for the labor. Also I think I actually preferred the sound via the digital connection vs the analog using the Denon 3800 bd player, but the audio dropout made it more difficult to compare. It seemed with the digital connection (HDMI) I heard a little better detail. When I get my A1 back from repair I plan to compare again the analog with the digital. I beleive I read in this forum that I would be better served using a coax connection as opposed to the HDMI. I am using a good Audio Quest HDMI cable. Roger are you just using the HDMI for 2-channel or do you use a coax?
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Yesterday while listening to a cd I decided to switch from the analog input to the hdmi input just to compare the sound. While I was doing this sometimes when I switched to the digital connection the audio would be gone, but lt doesn't happen all the time. It seems to come back when I switch back to the analog and than back again.

I have noticed this problem, as well. And, I am running the latest firmware 3.0.1-0093.

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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Also when viewing satellite tv when the programming switches from dd 5.1 to just 2 channel I get an audio drop-out or stutter for a second. I know I am behind in my firmware updates and I was wondering if the latest update addresses this?

I too had run into this situation, and Roger suggested using listening mode "PLIIx Movie Mode", as a work around. That did the trick for me.

Dave
post #4605 of 5782
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

I am on 2.0.2 build 0075 which I am guessing is about 2 updates behind. I have always had the audio dropout when watching satellite tv when the programming swithches from dd 5.1 to 2-channel but since audio stutter was so slight it wasn't a big deal, so I never commented on it.

Wow, you are missing a lot of fixes, some of greater import than others. 2.0.5 will address things like: the speaker delays work correctly (instead of opposite); the PEQ noise bug is fixed; S/PDIF to HDMI switching is better (but not necessarily bullet-proof); the LPF filter in the LFE channel has been added, that sort of stuff. Highly recommend doing the update.


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It seemed with the digital connection (HDMI) I heard a little better detail. When I get my A1 back from repair I plan to compare again the analog with the digital. I beleive I read in this forum that I would be better served using a coax connection as opposed to the HDMI. I am using a good Audio Quest HDMI cable. Roger are you just using the HDMI for 2-channel or do you use a coax?

All my 2-ch content comes from ATV1, which is particularly cantankerous via HDMI, so I use comp/optical, and my dedicated CD player is also optical. The BDP-93 is reserved for video discs and SACD/HD-DVD use, via HDMI.
post #4606 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Wow, you are missing a lot of fixes, some of greater import than others. 2.0.5 will address things like: the speaker delays work correctly (instead of opposite); the PEQ noise bug is fixed; S/PDIF to HDMI switching is better (but not necessarily bullet-proof); the LPF filter in the LFE channel has been added, that sort of stuff. Highly recommend doing the update.


All my 2-ch content comes from ATV1, which is particularly cantankerous via HDMI, so I use comp/optical, and my dedicated CD player is also optical. The BDP-93 is reserved for video discs and SACD/HD-DVD use, via HDMI.

Thanks Roger I will have to freshen up on the process of doing the firmware update. I may still get the Oppo 93 and use it as you do as I also would like to have some of the newer technologies offered by the newer players. My A1 will primarily be used for all 2-channel music and when I want to go the analog route. Kind of a waste for just using it that way but it will be a good back-up if I experience a disc issue. Seems like bd disc's can be finicky at times. I am still not sure why I seem to prefer the analog with the A1. I imagine that most people here just go the digital route for everything.
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Originally Posted by buttecreeker View Post

I have noticed this problem, as well. And, I am running the latest firmware 3.0.1-0093.



I too had run into this situation, and Roger suggested using listening mode "PLIIx Movie Mode", as a work around. That did the trick for me.

Dave

So another words I should set the multi-channel to PLIIx Movie as opposed to discrete? I need to do the latest firmware update to see if it fixes the audio disappearing when I switch from the analog to the HDMI.
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

So another words I should set the multi-channel to PLIIx Movie as opposed to discrete?

Yes. Although, I would bet that you could use another listening mode, if you preferred, with good results (though I haven't tried any different ones myself). 99% of my tv viewing, I run in PLIIx Movie Mode. If I am watching a movie that is broadcast in DD5.1, from sat., I would switch to Discrete Mode
(I personally don't watch many movies from Sat.).

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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

I need to do the latest firmware update to see if it fixes the audio disappearing when I switch from the analog to the HDMI.

I would be interested to know if that worked for you, as well.

Dave
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Originally Posted by buttecreeker View Post

99% of my tv viewing, I run in PLIIx Movie Mode. If I am watching a movie that is broadcast in DD5.1, from sat., I would switch to Discrete Mode.

Curious as to why. PLIIx works great with 5.1 sources, and since it only applies to the surrounds, is less "involved" than for 2-ch sources. Has it ever degraded a 5.1 mix?
post #4610 of 5782
I guess everyone has their preferences! I listen to music in stereo, and watch my Sat box in discrete. I tend to watch movies in the audio format broadcast, most of which are 5.1 DD.
post #4611 of 5782
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Originally Posted by buttecreeker View Post

Yes. Although, I would bet that you could use another listening mode, if you preferred, with good results (though I haven't tried any different ones myself). 99% of my tv viewing, I run in PLIIx Movie Mode. If I am watching a movie that is broadcast in DD5.1, from sat., I would switch to Discrete Mode
(I personally don't watch many movies from Sat.).



I would be interested to know if that worked for you, as well.

Dave

I will let you know. I just need to motivate myself to do it. Once I get the A1 back from repair I know I will want to compare between the balanced analogs and the HDMI. I actually am starting to prefer the HDMI/Classe vs the analogs from the Denon 3800Bd player.
post #4612 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Curious as to why. PLIIx works great with 5.1 sources, and since it only applies to the surrounds, is less "involved" than for 2-ch sources. Has it ever degraded a 5.1 mix?

You know, I don't know! You raise a good question. I've always just switched to Discrete mode whenever possible, in the thought of ensuring the discrete channel signals. But maybe with a DD5.1 source it's not necessary to do so when in PLIIx mode. I'll have to try it.

Dave
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

... I actually am starting to prefer the HDMI/Classe vs the analogs from the Denon 3800Bd player.

Most of my 2 channel and multi-channel listening over the last few of months, has been over HDMI to the Classe. I have been enjoying the results, as well. My Mc player is out to McIntosh for some work, been gone since before Thanksgiving! I might only be missing seeing it fill the void in my cabinet! I'm getting quite used to the Classe sound. Good luck with your players repairs!

Dave
post #4614 of 5782
I moved my ssp-800 into a closet behind the tv wall last weekend, so I need an IR solution. I bought this:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

but it only seems to see about 1 out of every 30 times that I hit a button on the remote.

Then I tried a mono cable from the IR Repeater unit to the IR in jack in the back of the ssp-800. Should that have worked?

Am I completely wrong in thinking this should work? Seems like it should
post #4615 of 5782
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Originally Posted by buttecreeker View Post

Most of my 2 channel and multi-channel listening over the last few of months, has been over HDMI to the Classe. I have been enjoying the results, as well. My Mc player is out to McIntosh for some work, been gone since before Thanksgiving! I might only be missing seeing it fill the void in my cabinet! I'm getting quite used to the Classe sound. Good luck with your players repairs!

Dave

I can identify with this as everything does seem to sound pretty good with the Classe. When I do get my A1 back I might just try to sell it on e-bay or audiogon especially if I decide to get the Oppo 93.
post #4616 of 5782
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Originally Posted by scott brown View Post

I moved my ssp-800 into a closet behind the tv wall last weekend, so I need an IR solution. I bought this:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

but it only seems to see about 1 out of every 30 times that I hit a button on the remote.

Then I tried a mono cable from the IR Repeater unit to the IR in jack in the back of the ssp-800. Should that have worked?

Am I completely wrong in thinking this should work? Seems like it should

I am not familiar with the Monoprice IR products. But looking at the link you supplied, it looks as though that should do the trick. Does it work if you are within a few feet from the IR receiver (as opposed to say 15' away)? If so, maybe you need some sort of signal amplifier.

I have all my equipment inside a cabinet, as well, and I use a brand called Xantech. Here's a link to the connecting block, and some info for comparison to the Monoprice.

http://www.xantech.com/Infrared/Infr...ngBlocks/CB60/

I have a direct link(1/8' plug mono cables) to the SSP-800 and my McIntosh player, and emitters to the remaining equipment(all from the connecting block). All this works very well, even from about 20' away.

Dave
post #4617 of 5782
the distance doesn't make a difference. The green light on the IR repeater flashes when I hit the buttons, so it knows I pressed them. but the classe doesn't respond to most of the button presses

It just worked for about 15 seconds and every button I hit worked, but now it stopped again and nothing works
post #4618 of 5782
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Originally Posted by scott brown View Post

the distance doesn't make a difference. The green light on the IR repeater flashes when I hit the buttons, so it knows I pressed them. but the classe doesn't respond to most of the button presses

It just worked for about 15 seconds and every button I hit worked, but now it stopped again and nothing works

Just a silly question, and please take no offense; How are the life of the batteries in the remote your using (It's a long shot, I know!)?

BTW, I have noticed that when I used the SSP-800 remote, through the IR repeater system I have, that the 800 responded sluggishly. I sometimes had to double press in order to get the command to take. Could be the battery strength, I didn't research it further. I typically use a programmable for all my applications, and I rarely use the 800 remote (although it is one of the more solidly constructed remote controls I have seen!).

Dave
post #4619 of 5782
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Originally Posted by scott brown View Post

the distance doesn't make a difference. The green light on the IR repeater flashes when I hit the buttons, so it knows I pressed them. but the classe doesn't respond to most of the button presses

It just worked for about 15 seconds and every button I hit worked, but now it stopped again and nothing works

This is another even longer shot scott but have you had a close look at the 800's ir trigger options ;if their anything like my cary's it may have a normal or invert setting to change the polarity .

I am setting up mine atm as well and notice that a couple of my belkin 'mono' cables are actually stereo models [ my oppo 95 is on one ] and another one is a true mono . They all work together well so possibly the polarity switching is tied to the specific type of cable Ime assuming ?

The other problem Ive come across is the 3d ir signals from the projector wipeing out my xantech ir repeater system Time for a piece of tape
post #4620 of 5782
I'll certainly try new batteries tonight and look to see if there are ir options on the menus

Thanks for the help...
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