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post #4861 of 5782
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Thanks Roger, not sure about the extra power reboot and how that's going to work since I didn't have to deal with that the first and only time I updated my unit. Hopefully the units display will guide me thru it. I have always been a bit apprehensive about doing firmware updates, afraid I will brick the unit.
Half way thru the process the display will say something like "turn off the power" but that means to turn it off, wait a few secs, then turn it back on... then it will resume and complete, then ask for another reboot.
post #4862 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Half way thru the process the display will say something like "turn off the power" but that means to turn it off, wait a few secs, then turn it back on... then it will resume and complete, then ask for another reboot.[/quote

I assume by turning off the power that means that I can just press the standby button on the remote. Do I than use the switch in the back of the unit at the end for the reboot? this info is probably on the website so sorry for all the these questions.

Edited by mt14942 - 8/17/12 at 5:30am
post #4863 of 5782
^^ Power is power. Standby is standby. FW install involves power cycling.
post #4864 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

^^ Power is power. Standby is standby. FW install involves power cycling.

Thanks Roger, so I need to use the master power on & off switch at the back of the unit or I can unplug it from the my Power Cleaner/surge protector device? Actually unplugging is a little easier for me in my set-up.
post #4865 of 5782
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Thanks Roger, so I need to use the master power on & off switch at the back of the unit or I can unplug it from the my Power Cleaner/surge protector device? Actually unplugging is a little easier for me in my set-up.

Here's a link to the firmware updating procedure:

http://www.classeaudio.com/downloads/File.htm?Path=OPERATING_SOFTWARE/SSP-800/DUAL%20DSP%20AND%20HDMI%20_1.4%20SOFTWARE%20-%20NOT%20SUITABLE%20FOR%20UNITS%20WITH%20HDMI_1.3%20OR%20SINGLE%20DSP%20INSTALLED&File=PRO-SFT_Software%20Update%20Procedure%20for%20Classe%20Delta%20with%20GUI%20V1_9-5.pdf

The only problem I had was with line #24. I had a problem when touching the "screen", so I would recommend using the "standby" button instead.

Dave
post #4866 of 5782
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Originally Posted by buttecreeker View Post

Here's a link to the firmware updating procedure:
http://www.classeaudio.com/downloads/File.htm?Path=OPERATING_SOFTWARE/SSP-800/DUAL%20DSP%20AND%20HDMI%20_1.4%20SOFTWARE%20-%20NOT%20SUITABLE%20FOR%20UNITS%20WITH%20HDMI_1.3%20OR%20SINGLE%20DSP%20INSTALLED&File=PRO-SFT_Software%20Update%20Procedure%20for%20Classe%20Delta%20with%20GUI%20V1_9-5.pdf
The only problem I had was with line #24. I had a problem when touching the "screen", so I would recommend using the "standby" button instead.
Dave

Thanks Dave for that info, I plan to do the update Monday. This weekend will be dedicated to putting my A1 Universal BD player to lots of use with testing many types of disc's since I just got it back from repair.
post #4867 of 5782
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Thanks Roger, so I need to use the master power on & off switch at the back of the unit or I can unplug it from the my Power Cleaner/surge protector device? Actually unplugging is a little easier for me in my set-up.
Unplugging is ok, it is the same as the rear power switch.
post #4868 of 5782
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Originally Posted by urskog View Post

Hi!
Nope, the main board has been swapped but it still exhibits the same symptoms as before so further investigation is needed.
Carl (technical support, Classé) is due back on monday so we'll continue trying to figure it out then.
Interesting that you had the exact same problem, do you have any more details to give?
It would probably be helpful for me to know as much as possible about your case, what was tried before they "gave up" etc, maybe Carl could find the information in their system and it would shorten the process for me.
Thanks in advance smile.gif
Actually, I had no info at all. My reseller said : "they cannot repair it". That's all he knew.

My unit seemed to work as intended, expected there was absolutely no sound playing out of it. Just before the failure, I heard a loud noise in my speakers, and my amplifier was burning (with quite a lot of smoke).

Good luck on your side!

PS: it was sent to the UK customer service for repair (maybe they don't have exactly the same expertise)
post #4869 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Unplugging is ok, it is the same as the rear power switch.

Thanks again Roger. I hope to have it done by Monday.
post #4870 of 5782
Well I finally did the update to 2.0.6 thanks to all for your help. It actually went pretty much without a hitch. I checked out the Dolby Volume feature and activated it for my satellite input. I than went to the first screen you get when you press the menu button, and on the tab DOLBY/DTS selected the Dolby Volume tab. In there I was able to experiment with how the 3 options sounded; Dolby Volume in the high setting produced the lowest volume, Dolby Volume in the Low setting was a little louder ( both sounded OK), lastly the Modeler option was the loudest & the Modeler option also sounded different almost like it had different EQ, just my observations. I actually wasn’t too enamored with the Dolby Volume feature but coming from 2.0.2, I hoped to clear some minor audio stutters I was experiencing when viewing satellite TV with this new update. I'm guessing that the Dolby Volume Low vs. the High setting, has to do with how aggressive each setting is with the volume control.
Edited by mt14942 - 8/22/12 at 5:19am
post #4871 of 5782
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Well I finally did the update to 2.0.6 thanks to all for your help. ... I'm guessing that the Dolby Volume Low vs. the High setting has to do with how aggressive each setting is with the volume control.

I copied this from updated SSP-800 manual.

"Dolby Volume"
"Dolby Volume can be used to maintain the same relative perceived volume across multiple sources without having to manually adjust the volume control. It is especially useful when used with a set top box to maintain consistent volume levels across different television channels. For this reason, we have made the feature selectable by input, so you may engage it automatically whenever you watch TV but not when watching a Blu-ray, for example. The two parameters accessible on the Dolby Volume setup page are the leveler and modeler. The leveler is used to reduce perceived differences in volume level. It can be switched off or set to low or high. The low and high settings reflect the relative aggressiveness to which the algorithm will be applied to achieve volume leveling, with high being the mode with the least difference perceived in volume level. The modeler works independently to apply frequency response corrections based on the output level. These corrections are based on the Fletcher-Munson curves describing the relationship between our hearing sensitivity at various frequencies and the sound pressure level of those frequencies. In other words, the modeler applies different volume contours at different volume settings. If you find the corrections too aggressive, you can simply leave the modeler switched off."

Hope this helps, Dave
post #4872 of 5782
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Originally Posted by denosya View Post

Actually, I had no info at all. My reseller said : "they cannot repair it". That's all he knew. My unit seemed to work as intended, expected there was absolutely no sound playing out of it. Just before the failure, I heard a loud noise in my speakers, and my amplifier was burning (with quite a lot of smoke). Good luck on your side! PS: it was sent to the UK customer service for repair (maybe they don't have exactly the same expertise)

Smoke and the amplifier burning! Whoa it must have been playing pretty loud, or the temperature was over 100C!

Bordeaux what a wonderful region smile.gif
post #4873 of 5782
On an other note it would be great if Classé could just release an "All digital pre/pro forget all the analogue connections except for the DAC to transmit information to the amps. This would simplify the unit and hopefully keep it competitive.

No more S video, composite and component connections everything is migrating to HDMi and USB smile.gif

Question: Can I use function key for the following; When I watch movies at volume lower than reference level I like to trim my configuration with

Trim
- Surround by +4.5 db
- Rear by +4.5 db
- Subwoofer by +5db

It would be nice to just be able to press a key and voila!
Edited by wse - 8/21/12 at 3:46pm
post #4874 of 5782
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Originally Posted by buttecreeker View Post

I copied this from updated SSP-800 manual.
"Dolby Volume"
"Dolby Volume can be used to maintain the same relative perceived volume across multiple sources without having to manually adjust the volume control. It is especially useful when used with a set top box to maintain consistent volume levels across different television channels. For this reason, we have made the feature selectable by input, so you may engage it automatically whenever you watch TV but not when watching a Blu-ray, for example. The two parameters accessible on the Dolby Volume setup page are the leveler and modeler. The leveler is used to reduce perceived differences in volume level. It can be switched off or set to low or high. The low and high settings reflect the relative aggressiveness to which the algorithm will be applied to achieve volume leveling, with high being the mode with the least difference perceived in volume level. The modeler works independently to apply frequency response corrections based on the output level. These corrections are based on the Fletcher-Munson curves describing the relationship between our hearing sensitivity at various frequencies and the sound pressure level of those frequencies. In other words, the modeler applies different volume contours at different volume settings. If you find the corrections too aggressive, you can simply leave the modeler switched off."
Hope this helps, Dave

Dave, thanks for that info I didn't even think about checking the Classe web-site for the updated manual.
post #4875 of 5782
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

On an other note it would be great if Classé could just release an "All digital pre/pro forget all the analogue connections except for the DAC to transmit information to the amps. This would simplify the unit and hopefully keep it competitive.
No more S video, composite and component connections everything is migrating to HDMi and USB smile.gif
The new HDMI 1.4 video board eliminates the S-video, so they are taking a small step in that direction.
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Question: Can I use function key for the following; When I watch movies at volume lower than reference level I like to trim my configuration with
Trim
- Surround by +4.5 db
- Rear by +4.5 db
- Subwoofer by +5db
It would be nice to just be able to press a key and voila!
I would set up a new Configuration called "Movie Low" and then set the channel gains as you like. Then just touch the Preset Config button to call it. I have a Music setting and 2 movie settings (one for me alone, another for a group where I shift the levels and delays). It's a great feature. You can map the Configs to different sources, too.
post #4876 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

The new HDMI 1.4 video board eliminates the S-video, so they are taking a small step in that direction.

Yes

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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

I would set up a new Configuration called "Movie Low" and then set the channel gains as you like. Then just touch the Preset Config button to call it. I have a Music setting and 2 movie settings (one for me alone, another for a group where I shift the levels and delays). It's a great feature. You can map the Configs to different sources, too.

How can I set the channel gains? Is there a way to make this permanent?

I have set-up multiple configurations but does that mean I need to rest the levels for each? Also what is best 75db or 95db when setting the speaker levels?
post #4877 of 5782
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Yes
How can I set the channel gains? Is there a way to make this permanent?
The Configs are permanent.
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I have set-up multiple configurations but does that mean I need to rest the levels for each?
When you first set up the SSP, you are doing so in one of the Configs, probably Config1 as default. Using an SPL meter, each channel gain is set to achieve 75 dB. That would be the baseline setup. Write down all the setting you use. It comes in handy next.

Now you decide you want different channel gains for some reason. Go through the setup menu and select another Config. It will not have your previous settings, so it might be a good idea to first copy all the speaker crossover/distance/level setting (manually is the only way) so that you have the identical starting point. Now make whatever offsets you want, like channel gains. Save it, and when you want to hear that Config, just use the Preset Config button on the remote to call it up. Want to revert back to original settings, call up the other Config.
post #4878 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

The Configs are permanent. When you first set up the SSP, you are doing so in one of the Configs, probably Config1 as default. Using an SPL meter, each channel gain is set to achieve 75 dB. That would be the baseline setup. Write down all the setting you use. It comes in handy next. Now you decide you want different channel gains for some reason. Go through the setup menu and select another Config. It will not have your previous settings, so it might be a good idea to first copy all the speaker crossover/distance/level setting (manually is the only way) so that you have the identical starting point. Now make whatever offsets you want, like channel gains. Save it, and when you want to hear that Config, just use the Preset Config button on the remote to call it up. Want to revert back to original settings, call up the other Config.

Thank you, I did that but was not sure the level could be set for each configuration.
post #4879 of 5782
Today a strange thing happened when I turned on the SSP-800 I got an error message on the units display. I don't remember exactly what it said but it went something like this:

System Error
please unplug for a couple of minutes and than try again.
code # 1,0,0,0,0

Fortunately when I did what the display told me to do it went back to working fine. I don't recall anyone else mentioning something like this? I just did the latest firmware early in the week.
post #4880 of 5782
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Today a strange thing happened when I turned on the SSP-800 I got an error message on the units display. I don't remember exactly what it said but it went something like this:
System Error please unplug for a couple of minutes and than try again. code # 1,0,0,0,0
Fortunately when I did what the display told me to do it went back to working fine. I don't recall anyone else mentioning something like this? I just did the latest firmware early in the week.

Oops the other day the screen went blank and red I believe this could be software related or is it the video board?
post #4881 of 5782
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Oops the other day the screen went blank and red I believe this could be software related or is it the video board?

I neglected to mention that I had just played a bluray disc and shut off the SSP briefly and than decided to listen to a SACD. I turned on the SSP and changed the input from HDMI to balanced analogs and I believe that is when I saw the message not as soon as I turned it on but I can't say 100%.. Hopefully it won't happen again.
Edited by mt14942 - 8/25/12 at 10:00am
post #4882 of 5782
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

I might look into doing that at some point. I was hoping to get Jeff Meier down in my area some day, as he calibrated my system before I got the SSP800. I beleive someone else on this forum has used him and was happy with the results. Right now I am still waiting for my Denon A1 universal player to come back from repair, it has been over a month since I sent it in to New Jersey. It seems a shame to give up on such an expensive source player, but I am getting close to pulling the trigger on the Oppo universal player and I would be picking up alll the smart apps and versatility which the A1 does not have.

Also live near Pembroke Pines, I-75 and Sterling Road. Need my room EQ set up in the 800 and maybe Jeff can calibrate two systems.
post #4883 of 5782
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post

Also live near Pembroke Pines, I-75 and Sterling Road. Need my room EQ set up in the 800 and maybe Jeff can calibrate two systems.

I actually was on his schedule the last time he was to be in our area but it was cancelled. Not sure why but maybe there was not enough work for him to warrant a trip.
post #4884 of 5782
I have a question regarding the "Bypass Select" option on page 43 of the online manual under Audio the manual states: "Bypass select determines if the incoming analog signal is converted to digital format or left in an analog format. If the Bypass Select is NOT highlighted then the SSP converts all of the incoming analog signals to digital for further processing. If you prefer to pass your signals through the SSP unaltered, except for volume control, then touch the Bypass Select button to make it active. NOTE: This option is automatically selected when the Connector parameter is set to 7.1-bypass." It's the "Note" part at the end that's got me concerned. Does this mean if I am using the 7.1 analog input connection I can't have the Classe do the speaker/bass management? The reason I ask is My A1UDCI source player when using the HDMI for SACD cannot output the higher audio resolution that SACD offers which is why I am using the 7.1 analog connection.
post #4885 of 5782
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Does this mean if I am using the 7.1 analog input connection I can't have the Classe do the speaker/bass management?
Correct. There are only enough A-D converters for 2 channels.
post #4886 of 5782
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

I have a question regarding the "Bypass Select" option on page 43 of the online manual under Audio the manual states: ... NOTE: This option is automatically selected when the Connector parameter is set to 7.1-bypass." It's the "Note" part at the end that's got me concerned. Does this mean if I am using the 7.1 analog input connection I can't have the Classe do the speaker/bass management? The reason I ask is My A1UDCI source player when using the HDMI for SACD cannot output the higher audio resolution that SACD offers which is why I am using the 7.1 analog connection.

My understanding is that it the "7.1 Bypass" is a pass-thru, except for volume control. No speaker management, or bass re-directing, or PEQ'ing, are applied. All will need to be carried out by the source component.

I ran into a similar situation with my Mc DVD-A player. My room needs some correction, so I decided to use my Oppo, via HDMI, for DVD-A and SACD listening. Keep in mind, the SSP-800 doesn't handle DSD. You'll then need to use PCM over HDMI.

Dave
post #4887 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Correct. There are only enough A-D converters for 2 channels.

Thanks for the not so good news. At least I can use the speaker/bass management for 2-channel if I don't choose Bypass Direct. I will need to experiment in that arena. I guess I am just old fashion and always liked positioning myself in the ideal spot between my two front speakers and just listen to 2-channel that way.

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Originally Posted by buttecreeker View Post

My understanding is that it the "7.1 Bypass" is a pass-thru, except for volume control. No speaker management, or bass re-directing, or PEQ'ing, are applied. All will need to be carried out by the source component.
I ran into a similar situation with my Mc DVD-A player. My room needs some correction, so I decided to use my Oppo, via HDMI, for DVD-A and SACD listening. Keep in mind, the SSP-800 doesn't handle DSD. You'll then need to use PCM over HDMI.
Dave

I will probably listen to some m/c sacd's both ways and if HDMI with PCM sounds pretty good than I will just go that route for the handful of multichannel sacd's. As for all 2-channel with maybe the exception of 2-channel dvd-a's, I will continue to use the Balanced analog xlr's. Heck I should probably just go the digital route, HDMI & COAX, for everything as it seems most do, and I can get rid of a whole lot of cabling, not that you can see them.
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Heck I should probably just go the digital route, HDMI & COAX, for everything as it seems most do, and I can get rid of a whole lot of cabling, not that you can see them.
And it's the only way to get the benefits of bass management and EQ.
post #4889 of 5782
Just had my CT-SSP and CT-5300 installed today. It hasn't been calibrated yet, need to get some burn-in time on it and haven't got the SACD player hooked up yet but the video sources sound very good. I was disappointed that a brand new unit has the older software on it (v. 3.0.1), so no Dolby Volume. So I will get a quick workout with the update process tomorrow.

I had two questions on the setup. One is supposedly unused inputs can be disabled so they don't show up on the menu but I can see no way to do it. All the inputs show as In Use and clicking on them does not turn them off. Do I need to go into the audio section and disable the default connection or something before the input can be made Inactive?

Second, I understand from the thread above what the Bypass does but I can't see how to select or unselect it. Selecting it seems to work but how do you turn it back off again? Pressing the menu button only seems to turn it on.

Thanks for the help for a newbie.

Karl
post #4890 of 5782
Hi Karl,

Glad to see some new blood here. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by ksalno View Post

I had two questions on the setup. One is supposedly unused inputs can be disabled so they don't show up on the menu but I can see no way to do it.
Touch Menu, then System Setup.
Touch Input. The "In Use" button can be toggled on/off for each input. Touch Next Input to step thru each.

Note, it will not let you disable the input that is currently being used. Change the source to a different input if that is desired.
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Second, I understand from the thread above what the Bypass does but I can't see how to select or unselect it. Selecting it seems to work but how do you turn it back off again? Pressing the menu button only seems to turn it on.
The Bypass option is only enabled for inputs where the audio connector supports 2-ch analog, namely analog 1, 2 or 3. Define a source using one of those inputs, then see if the bypass option is enabled.
Edited by Roger Dressler - 8/30/12 at 10:15am
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