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post #4921 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

And just how much is the current Synthesis setup going for? It's around $178,267.50! wink.gif

A basic 7.2 system suitable for a 1500 to 4000 cubic foot room using the LS series medium format 1-3/4" compresion driver box speakers with on-wall surrounds and 12" powered subwoofer, and including the surround preamp, Digital EQ, custom balanced interconnect kit, 7 channel amplifier, and an on-site factory calibration can be had for around $30,000 MSRP, not including installation or video sources/display.

A standard 7.2 system suitable for rooms from 3000 to 20,000 cubic feet using the large format 3" compresion driver with active crossover bi-amped LCR system including all the above with 800 watt RMS 18" subs and the ability to expand to 4 subs and 8 surrounds with 2 5-channel amps and 2 mono block amps comes in around $65,000 not including video sources or installation.

But yes, a K2 or Everest system with 4 subs, 10 or more amplifiers, 6 to 8 surrounds, berylium 4" compresion drivers and all the bells and whistles coud run anywhere from $150k to $250k or more depending on upgrades and options.

The great thing is that we have the same calibration standards and work flow at $30k or $300k.

-Todd Packer
Harman Luxury Audio
Field Application Engineer
post #4922 of 5779
Thanks for the great responses, Roger. smile.gif

I have a new question now. Will the SSP-800 get an update that will allow it to process 4k video? Will that be something that can be distributed to existing units, or will owners need to send their unit to an authorised tech to get the update?

Is it on the horizon at all?

cheers!
post #4923 of 5779
If Classé would manufacture such an upgrade it would mean a new video board like with the 3D upgrade and as such you could swap it yourself or at a dealer.
We can of course hope that they would make a 4K board a reality but it would probably take a while.
post #4924 of 5779
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

By the way I neglected to say that you can listen to 2-channel music without Bypass Direct selected, This gives you the option of using the SSP-800's speaker, bass management and EQ. I am planning on experimenting with this. I know of at least one person who goes that route for stereo music, I am curious if that's how most SSP-800 owners do that? I myself don't have the expertise yet to mess with the EQ but I can adjust the speaker levels, delays and bass management like I have done when I listen to 5.1 music or watching a bluray so I won't have to move my listening chair so I am right in the middle.

I am one who utilizes the 800's PEQ for all my listening needs. Whether it be 2.1 vinyl, 2.1 CD, or 5.1 SACD,DVD-A, Blu-ray multi-channel listening. I do have some acoustical room treatments, but my room still has some room modes that need a bit of correction. Overall, I have been very happy with the sound reproduction, as well as the feature set of the 800. The ability to have multiple speaker configurations that can be activated with any input source choice, is but one of the features that I appreciate.

Dave
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Originally Posted by buttecreeker View Post

Whether it be 2.1 vinyl, 2.1 CD, or 5.1 SACD,DVD-A, Blu-ray multi-channel listening.
Dave

Dave,

Can I ask what phono pre-amp you are using with the SSP for vinyl?

Karl
post #4926 of 5779
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Originally Posted by ksalno View Post

Dave,
Can I ask what phono pre-amp you are using with the SSP for vinyl?
Karl

CI Audio's VPP-1 is the phono pre-amp I've been using. It's compatible with most MM and MC phono cartridges. I've used it for a number of years with my B&O Beogram turntable.

Dave
post #4927 of 5779
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Originally Posted by buttecreeker View Post

I am one who utilizes the 800's PEQ for all my listening needs. Whether it be 2.1 vinyl, 2.1 CD, or 5.1 SACD,DVD-A, Blu-ray multi-channel listening. I do have some acoustical room treatments, but my room still has some room modes that need a bit of correction. Overall, I have been very happy with the sound reproduction, as well as the feature set of the 800. The ability to have multiple speaker configurations that can be activated with any input source choice, is but one of the features that I appreciate.
Dave

My only experience with audio calibration, basically comes from using a couple of different calibration disc's and just basically just using there test tones and my ears and go from there. I was told that or possibly read somewhere maybe even on this forum that I should not being messing with the PEQ based on that level of expertise? I guess if I wanted to be able to get the absolute best sound I could have it done professionally or buy some of the products that have been suggested on this forum and learn to do it myself . I am actually pretty happy with the way everything sounds as is with just some of the basic stuff I've done. I actually have 4 different audio configurations 2 for m/c and 2 for stereo that basically deal with individual vs. group listening.
post #4928 of 5779
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

My only experience with audio calibration, basically comes from using a couple of different calibration disc's and just basically just using there test tones and my ears and go from there. I was told that or possibly read somewhere maybe even on this forum that I should not being messing with the PEQ based on that level of expertise? I guess if I wanted to be able to get the absolute best sound I could have it done professionally or buy some of the products that have been suggested on this forum and learn to do it myself . I am actually pretty happy with the way everything sounds as is with just some of the basic stuff I've done. I actually have 4 different audio configurations 2 for m/c and 2 for stereo that basically deal with individual vs. group listening.

I've been using a room analyzer called XTZ. It's seems to work fairly well for my application. Not to expensive either. All 5 of my speakers are full range speakers, but after much experimentation, I opted to cross over all them to my sub. Getting the sub to integrate with the mains transparently, is certainly a fine science and/or an art. I have tried a number of different techniques/views, and found one that seems to work for me and my ears.

At the end of the day; If one is happy with the way things sound to oneself, that's all that matters.

Dave
post #4929 of 5779
I bet Roger or Kal have already answered this, but if they did I can't find it. Like Kal, I listen to Multi Channel audio along with lots of 2 channel. I just read the review of the CP-800 D/A 2 Channel Preamp in the September Stereophile. In that review, the author simply connected his iPhone to the CP-800 via USB and was able to navigate and locate the music files he wanted to listen to. I prefer to store my music in various lossless formats on my Media Server upstairs, and use ethernet to an AppleTV 3rd Gen which is connected by HDMI to my SSP-800. I use the AppleTV to locate and select the music files I want to listen to. My question is- why would I need a CP-800 ? Does it offer improved DAC processing compared to the SSP-800 in my setup? I do understand the DAC Clock timing methods on the CP-800 provides some enhanced accuracy but would that be significantly improved over the SSP-800? Running Coaxial rather than ethernet between floors is not practical.

I have considered replacing my Oppo BDP-83SE with the new BDP-95 primarily because of its balanced 2 channel analog outputs along with its ability via ethernet to locate and play FLAC hi-res audio files. I'm hoping the AppleTV simply passes the digital audio signal without alteration to my SSP-800. But I also hope to gain improved audio quality while listening to my FLAC files with this new Oppo.

What do you all say?
Edited by wadeh911 - 9/13/12 at 7:22pm
post #4930 of 5779
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post

I'm hoping the AppleTV simply passes the digital audio signal without alteration to my SSP-800. But I also hope to gain improved audio quality while listening to my FLAC files with this new Oppo.
What do you all say?
I have never heard a side by side between SSP and CP 800, so I have no idea about the sonics. But I like to play a lot of my CD content thru PLIIx, so that makes the SSP my solution. Plus, I already have one. wink.gif

As for the Apple TV, if the Gen3 is anything like Gen2, then it is not passing through your CD-originated content. 44.1 kHz sources are SRC'd to 48 kHz. Easy to confirm one way or the other: When playing CD files, look at the Status display screen. What sample rate is reported? My Gen1 ATV shows 44.1 kHz.
post #4931 of 5779
By the way, Oppo is coming out with new BD-players soon (103 and 105) which have a new USB DAC that might be nice.
post #4932 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

I have never heard a side by side between SSP and CP 800, so I have no idea about the sonics. But I like to play a lot of my CD content thru PLIIx, so that makes the SSP my solution. Plus, I already have one. wink.gif
As for the Apple TV, if the Gen3 is anything like Gen2, then it is not passing through your CD-originated content. 44.1 kHz sources are SRC'd to 48 kHz. Easy to confirm one way or the other: When playing CD files, look at the Status display screen. What sample rate is reported? My Gen1 ATV shows 44.1 kHz.

You are right, regardless of whether file is 44.1 kHz from CD-originated or whether file is 96 kHz or 192 kHz the output from the Apple TV gen3 is shown as 48 kHz digital PCM. I just double checked to make sure when I converted the 192/24 or 96/24 FLAC file using dBPoweramp Music Converter that my Bit Depth and Sample Rate are set to "As Source".

My hunt for a ethernet device with an intuitive and simple interface and straight pass thru on audio is on! Amazing advice Roger. Thank you.
post #4933 of 5779
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Originally Posted by ssabripo View Post


oh nothing really......just something called AUDIO QUALITY
+1 .....Exactly....
post #4934 of 5779
Expecting my Oppo 103 to arrive on Thursday. One of the new features of the Oppo is 4k upscaling. Not sure if anyone else on thread had paired their Classe with a 4k display .Curious if the Classe will pass through the 4k signal without issue. Has anyone had an opportunity to test a 4k signal through the Classe? I know content is extremely limited but there is some demo video and stills out there.
post #4935 of 5779
I am new to this forum but not new to owning Classe products. Here is my issue and I will post the idea Roger had, but am hoping others might have some views as well.

Problem Statement
I recently purchased both the Levinson No. 535 and the SSP-800. My issue is that the SSP-800 can trigger the ML No. 535 and power it on and off, but after several minutes of putting my amp into standby waiting for the next trigger to occur my amp will not power on and gives a signal fault. I have to physically turn off and on the rear power switch to get the amp going again.

What I have troubleshot so far..
Was on the phone with ML and they indicated that a constant signal is being received by the amp from the SSP-800 in standby mode thus the fault and not powering on. If I disconnect the audio interconnects I can trigger the unit on and off with no issue. But when the audio interconnects are connected no good. Additionally, I have ruled out components connected to the SSP-800 to not be the issue. It appears to be the SSP-800.

Some hypothesis...
- Roger recommended the following..."I suspect there may be a small transient coming from the SSP when it powers on, that the amp senses. Ideally you would apply some delay to the trigger, but neither the SSP nor the amp offer a means to adjust the delay. You can prove this theory by removing the trigger connector from the rear of the SSP, turning it on, then inserting the connector a second or 2 later to see if the amp starts normally. If so, such a delay would do the trick. If not, there's something else afoot." I think this would do the trick, but I am incompetent at integrating something like this.

- Try XLR connectors and see if the issue persists

- Call Classe 20 more times to see if they call back


So what I am wondering is anyone else with ML amps or other amps having the same problem? If not, what recommendations might you have on helping to resolve this issue?

Any advice is helpful.

Thanks
Rick
post #4936 of 5779
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Originally Posted by rmedeir12 View Post

Was on the phone with ML and they indicated that a constant signal is being received by the amp from the SSP-800 in standby mode thus the fault and not powering on.
I wonder what kind of signal they think comes out of the SSP in stand-by. confused.gif I guess if it is in the audible range you ought to be able to hear it by turning the amp on while SSP sleeps. That's test #1.

Aside from the alleged signal, if that were present and disrupting the ML turn on, you should be able to see that by leaving the SSP in stand-by and switching the ML on/off. Does that work?
That's test #2.
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If I disconnect the audio interconnects I can trigger the unit on and off with no issue. But when the audio interconnects are connected no good. Additionally, I have ruled out components connected to the SSP-800 to not be the issue. It appears to be the SSP-800.
Well, it could also be the amp. One thing to try is to disconnect the SSP, and short circuit the audio input cables feeding the amp (do that while the amp is OFF!). Does the amp turn on/off a few times normally? It should. Turn off, then reconnect normally.
That's test #3.
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- Roger recommended the following..."I suspect there may be a small transient coming from the SSP when it powers on, that the amp senses. Ideally you would apply some delay to the trigger, but neither the SSP nor the amp offer a means to adjust the delay. You can prove this theory by removing the trigger connector from the rear of the SSP, turning it on, then inserting the connector a second or 2 later to see if the amp starts normally. If so, such a delay would do the trick. If not, there's something else afoot."
Did you try the simple test of just plugging in the trigger plug a couple of seconds after turning on the SSP?
That's test #4.
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I think this would do the trick, but I am incompetent at integrating something like this.
I ordered the delay board just to see how it works. If it does as advertised, I'd be happy to let you try it out. I will wire it with 3.5mm male in, female out cables so it just goes inline with the trigger.
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So what I am wondering is anyone else with ML amps or other amps having the same problem?
I am currently powering up two Classe amps with the 12v trigger, one amp getting the trigger direct and the other one time delayed (just to ease stress on my 15A breaker). All works fine.

There's 4 very simple tests to help zero in on what's happening.
post #4937 of 5779
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Expecting my Oppo 103 to arrive on Thursday. One of the new features of the Oppo is 4k upscaling. Not sure if anyone else on thread had paired their Classe with a 4k display .Curious if the Classe will pass through the 4k signal without issue. Has anyone had an opportunity to test a 4k signal through the Classe? I know content is extremely limited but there is some demo video and stills out there.

I was curious Tony as to what features or benefits the Oppo 103 has over your current BDP-93? I am mainly looking for a way I can play my Rhapsody streams from my Android phone through my sound system. I wasn't sure if the BDP 93 or 95 can already do that, or maybe I can already do that by connecting directly to the SSP-800?
Edited by mt14942 - 10/3/12 at 5:01am
post #4938 of 5779
Problem Statement


[So what I am wondering is anyone else with ML amps or other amps having the same problem?]


Different Levinson amps are power on/off using different triggers.
Either 5 - 12v for 'on' and the voltage is permanently applied during the on state. Then switched to 0v for off state.
OR a 5 - 12v pulse trigger is used being 0.5 - 1 sec wide which toggles the amp between the on/off state.

Does your amp require a pulse trigger?
post #4939 of 5779
When do you think Classé will update the SP-800, I hope that when they do they include Multi Dimensional Audio from SRS now owned by DTS

http://www.srslabs.com/landing.aspx?id=2459
post #4940 of 5779
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Expecting my Oppo 103 to arrive on Thursday. One of the new features of the Oppo is 4k upscaling. Not sure if anyone else on thread had paired their Classe with a 4k display .Curious if the Classe will pass through the 4k signal without issue. Has anyone had an opportunity to test a 4k signal through the Classe? I know content is extremely limited but there is some demo video and stills out there.

I don't think the SSP-800 will pass the 4K signal, but then again until you try you won't know. Also I am curious to hear if thee 103 sounds better than the 93!
post #4941 of 5779
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I don't think the SSP-800 will pass the 4K signal, but then again until you try you won't know. Also I am curious to hear if thee 103 sounds better than the 93!
The specs for the current SSP HDMI 1.4 port processor (SiI9389) gives no hint that they would support 4k. Their BW is 225 MHz, while the BW for newer HDMI 1.4a Si parts that do support 4k is 300 MHz. See the SiI9587 on this page, for example.
post #4942 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

I ordered the delay board just to see how it works. If it does as advertised, I'd be happy to let you try it out. I will wire it with 3.5mm male in, female out cables so it just goes inline with the trigger.
The board arrived, and I wired it as below. Works perfectly, with delay adjustable from <1 sec to a minute or more. I set it for 3 sec. It requires no separate power, as it only consumes 35 mA.

Of course other than delaying the amps turning on by 3 sec, there's no difference here since I was not having any issues. So Rick, the offer stands. If you want to try it, PM me your address.


Edited by Roger Dressler - 10/15/12 at 11:13pm
post #4943 of 5779
I am having a heck of a time with the Classe CT-SSP configuration. No matter what I do, I can't get good dialog for video sources. I have a DirecTV DVR feeding the SSP via HDMI. I have the RCL speakers configured as crossed-over (80Hz). I also have surround and sub configured. I have not had the system calibrated yet, so I have the speaker distances set by tape measure, no additional delay, and no gain. Regardless of what surround mode I select for Favorite Processing, I get sound that echoes and dialog that sort of bounces from center to the LR speakers. It is less obvious on some surround types than others but haven't found any modes where the dialog stays in the center where it belongs. I have Dolby volume off, although I would like to use it because this seemed to introduce even more echo into the sound.

I have a similar issue with 2-channel analog sources where no matter mode I have Favorite Processing set to, I get sound in the center channel, which I don't want. Again, some of the surround Music modes reduce the level in the center but none, including Stereo or Stereo with Bypass actually eliminate sound in the center.

TIA for any help.

Karl
post #4944 of 5779
You should contact Classé directly
post #4945 of 5779
On an other note

"Silicon Image Announces New Video Processors for Next-Generation Home Theater Applications"
Products Incorporate Advanced Technology and Features to Enhance Internet Video Quality and Upscale Video to 4Kx2K Resolution
http://www.siliconimage.com/news/releasedetails.aspx?id=733
post #4946 of 5779
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Originally Posted by ksalno View Post

I have not had the system calibrated yet, so I have the speaker distances set by tape measure, no additional delay, and no gain. Regardless of what surround mode I select for Favorite Processing, I get sound that echoes and dialog that sort of bounces from center to the LR speakers. It is less obvious on some surround types than others but haven't found any modes where the dialog stays in the center where it belongs.
Hi Karl,

Let's sort out a few things:

Dialog does not always belong in the center, but yes that is the usual place, particularly for movies, but even there it is not 100%. If you are listening to 5.1 from DirecTV, dialog is often spread across L/C/R as a result of the synthetic upmixing from stereo to 5.1. However, even when spread across L/C/R, it should never sound like an echo. It would probably help if you did your 5.1 diagnosis with a known good movie source either on DVD or Blu-ray. But before we get to 5.1, we have other fish to fry:
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I have a similar issue with 2-channel analog sources where no matter mode I have Favorite Processing set to, I get sound in the center channel, which I don't want. Again, some of the surround Music modes reduce the level in the center but none, including Stereo or Stereo with Bypass actually eliminate sound in the center.
This is troubling. If the center speaker is playing in stereo mode, something is amiss. Let's set aside Fave Processing for now, and manually select the listening mode. Play the source with the echos. Select Mode from the Home menu, then scroll to the top and select select Stereo (right under the Mono mode). If the center speaker is silent, it's working correctly. If the center speaker is active, let's check the test signal.

Go to Menu >Status >. What does it report for Configuration? Probably it is Config 1.

Go back to the Menu and select >System Setup >Configuration >Configuration x [where x is the same config # you saw in step 1)] Select >Levels >Noise Seq. The noise will commence from L speaker. Then it will move the C speaker. Does it come only from C or is it also in L/R? If only from C, the amp/speakers are connected correctly. If the C signal comes from any other speaker, the processor line outputs feeding the amp need to be checked. Then check the speaker connections.

If everything was correct with the noise, but stereo mode still has signal present in the C speaker, something appears to be faulty in the SSP.
post #4947 of 5779
I am curious if the SSP is actually indicating stereo on the display when the center can be heard?. Why no setting of delay?
post #4948 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

This is troubling. If the center speaker is playing in stereo mode, something is amiss. Let's set aside Fave Processing for now, and manually select the listening mode. Play the source with the echos. Select Mode from the Home menu, then scroll to the top and select select Stereo (right under the Mono mode). If the center speaker is silent, it's working correctly. If the center speaker is active, let's check the test signal.
Go to Menu >Status >. What does it report for Configuration? Probably it is Config 1.
Go back to the Menu and select >System Setup >Configuration >Configuration x [where x is the same config # you saw in step 1)] Select >Levels >Noise Seq. The noise will commence from L speaker. Then it will move the C speaker. Does it come only from C or is it also in L/R? If only from C, the amp/speakers are connected correctly. If the C signal comes from any other speaker, the processor line outputs feeding the amp need to be checked. Then check the speaker connections.
If everything was correct with the noise, but stereo mode still has signal present in the C speaker, something appears to be faulty in the SSP.

I guess there is something wrong with my SSP. I did the noise sequence and each channel has a discrete test tone, there is no blending across channels. However, when I select an analog stereo source, then select stereo mode, I get a strong, almost dominant signal in the center channel. I can reduce the center channel to almost inaudible if I select a surround mode like DTS Neo Music but almost every other mode I tried ends up with signal in the center channel.

I will contact the dealer for repair or replacement. The unit is only a month or so old.

Karl
post #4949 of 5779
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Originally Posted by ksalno View Post

I guess there is something wrong with my SSP. I did the noise sequence and each channel has a discrete test tone, there is no blending across channels. However, when I select an analog stereo source, then select stereo mode, I get a strong, almost dominant signal in the center channel. I can reduce the center channel to almost inaudible if I select a surround mode like DTS Neo Music but almost every other mode I tried ends up with signal in the center channel.
I will contact the dealer for repair or replacement. The unit is only a month or so old.
Karl
Perhaps the dealer can visit the system and find something simple we cannot detect via long distance e-chat. Let us know how it goes.
post #4950 of 5779
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Originally Posted by ksalno View Post

I guess there is something wrong with my SSP. I did the noise sequence and each channel has a discrete test tone, there is no blending across channels. However, when I select an analog stereo source, then select stereo mode, I get a strong, almost dominant signal in the center channel. I can reduce the center channel to almost inaudible if I select a surround mode like DTS Neo Music but almost every other mode I tried ends up with signal in the center channel.
I will contact the dealer for repair or replacement. The unit is only a month or so old. Karl

They will take good care of you, that is all I can say biggrin.gif You should speak with Classé directly so they can let you know and will send a new unit if need be. Sorry for your misfortune but I am confident they will resolve it
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