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post #4951 of 5782
Hello Roger

What do you think of MDA and Atmos do you think any one will have it in 2013 in a pre/pro?
post #4952 of 5782
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Hello Roger
What do you think of MDA and Atmos do you think any one will have it in 2013 in a pre/pro?
I think object audio is a great idea. I do not see it happening in 2013, because it requires a format to deliver it, so it's much different than adding Neo:X or PLIIz to a processor product. Formats take time. Maybe when Blu-ray goes 4k there would be a chance.
post #4953 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

I think object audio is a great idea. I do not see it happening in 2013, because it requires a format to deliver it, so it's much different than adding Neo:X or PLIIz to a processor product. Formats take time. Maybe when Blu-ray goes 4k there would be a chance.

DTS CEO believe that receivers will utilize DTS MDA by the end of 2013! Hope he is right smile.gif Then the studios can jump on the bandwagon

http://ocunwired.blog.ocregister.com/tag/mda/
post #4954 of 5782
Hey fellas,

I think I am ready to try a Mac Mini as a music server but I am as green as heck when it comes to computerized audio. I have never even owned an iPod:eek: I assume there are other 800 owners that have incorporated a mini into their rig?

I love my SSP-800 for stereo and use a dedicated CDP. What I am finding is I am not buying that many CDs anymore. I want to download music and pick songs I want as opposed to entire CDs ( except for the great ones). I want a fairly easy to use set-up and something I can grow into. I would like to use my iPad to access the library and use as a remote. At a minimum I want the same red book sound quality I am getting from my Rega Saturn CDP. Paired with the 800 it sounds superb to me but ready for downloads and break free of media but won't sacrifice my current redbook sound quality. I really want a 21st century solution.

Setting up for quality downloads is my first priority. Ripping my CDs later after I am set-up and feel comfortable is a secondary task.

Is the Mac Mini a good place to begin? How does it connect to the SSP-800? Via HDMI? Then how do I get my iPAD to work as a way to view my catalog and use as remote? I assume there is an app for that somewhere? I know I will also require a software package to help manage my catalog.

Sorry for all the questions. I guess we could start with hook-up to the 800 and I will take it as it goes. Also, thanks in advance. I want to move in this direction but need some direction.

Thanks
Rick
Edited by Mr.SoftDome - 10/26/12 at 12:15pm
post #4955 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Mr.SoftDome View Post

.... Is the Mac Mini a good place to begin? How does it connect to the SSP-800? Via HDMI? Then how do I get my iPAD to work as a way to view my catalog and use as remote? I assume there is an app for that somewhere? I know I will also require a software package to help manage my catalog.

Rick welcome to the 21st century smile.gif Yes a mac mini is the way to go here is what I would get a mac mini with 2.6GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 16GB SDRAM with 256GB Solid State Drive. (http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MD388LL/A) Then all you need is an external drive like the apple super drive http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD564ZM/A/apple-usb-superdrive. Connect with HDMi to the SSP-800 and viola

Then rip all your music in itune using Apple Loosless Encoder or AIFF and enjoy. I use my iPod or Ipad to control the music library smile.gif

If you want to add an external computer software you can look at all the options OS X Audio Players: Amarra, Audirvana, Pure Music, Fidelia, Decibel, and BitPerfect
http://www.headfonia.com/os-x-audio-players-amarra-audirvana-pure-music-fidelia-decibel-and-bitperfect/
post #4956 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Mr.SoftDome View Post

Hey fellas,
I think I am ready to try a Mac Mini as a music server but I am as green as heck when it comes to computerized audio. I have never even owned an iPod:eek: I assume there are other 800 owners that have incorporated a mini into their rig?....

Hey Rick,

As I am in the same boat as you, I will not be able to answer any of your questions. I will, however, be looking forward to peoples responses so I can learn about this approach as well.

Dave
post #4957 of 5782
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Rick welcome to the 21st century smile.gif Yes a mac mini is the way to go here is what I would get a mac mini with 2.6GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7 16GB SDRAM with 256GB Solid State Drive. (http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MD388LL/A) Then all you need is an external drive like the apple super drive http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD564ZM/A/apple-usb-superdrive. Connect with HDMi to the SSP-800 and viola
Then rip all your music in itune using Apple Loosless Encoder or AIFF and enjoy. I use my iPod or Ipad to control the music library smile.gif
If you want to add an external computer software you can look at all the options OS X Audio Players: Amarra, Audirvana, Pure Music, Fidelia, Decibel, and BitPerfect
http://www.headfonia.com/os-x-audio-players-amarra-audirvana-pure-music-fidelia-decibel-and-bitperfect/

Ha Ha-thanks! Funny thing is I just ordered this exact config from the Apple Store ten minutes ago! I was excited to run over to Best Buy and pick up a mini today but I did some research on Audiogon and the extra memory and solid state drive were recommended and not available pre-configured for pick up at Best Buy.

I will be patient and wait until delivery next week and get the MAC the way I want it to start.
I will just research over the weekend since I can't get started yet.

I really hope this works out. I love my Rega CDP but I am just not using it much anymore. I want high quality downloads and sit in my chair and access the library via my iPad.

Excited about this next addition to my set-up. I also hope sound quality will not be sacrificed as compared to my Rega CDP and redbook. But at this chapter in my life I want convienience and love the idea of controlling my future library with the iPad.

Thanks
Rick
post #4958 of 5782
Me too!biggrin.gif
post #4959 of 5782
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Originally Posted by buttecreeker View Post

Hey Rick,
As I am in the same boat as you, I will not be able to answer any of your questions. I will, however, be looking forward to peoples responses so I can learn about this approach as well.
Dave

Hey Dave, yeah we will see how it goes. I am a pure novice and have a lot to learn.

I have been visiting here: http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?icomp&1&ctg&0&50&

but that didn't help with specific questions regarding hook-up to the SSP-800.

I'm sure I will have a lot of questions

Thank
Rick
post #4960 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Mr.SoftDome View Post

Hey Dave, yeah we will see how it goes. I am a pure novice and have a lot to learn.
I have been visiting here: http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?icomp&1&ctg&0&50&
but that didn't help with specific questions regarding hook-up to the SSP-800.
I'm sure I will have a lot of questions
Thank
Rick

Great advice from Wse! Love to hear some feedback from you, when you get into it all. BTW, we lived in San Jose for many years, prior to moving to Chico. We lived at the Los Gatos side of SJ. We loved that area.

Dave
post #4961 of 5782
If you wan to do something super easy, get a good quality iPad dock, such as the Cambridge iD100 [iD100]http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=605&Title=iD100+Digital+Dock+for+iPad+%26+iPhone[/URL]. Connect it directly to the 800 or through a high quality DAC. Then subscribe to MOG or Pandora and use their apps on your iPad to play high quality audio from your favorite artists and genres. I did the whole music server thing, ripped hundreds of CDs, downloaded even more HD tracks but I rarely even use them anymore. MOG and Pandora are just so darn convenient and easy to use that it sort of eliminates the need to have your own music server. I find the with the exception of some very old LPs and obscure artists, everything I own on CD or LP is already on the music services. For a few bucks and month, it's hard to beat.
post #4962 of 5782
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Originally Posted by ksalno View Post

If you wan to do something super easy, get a good quality iPad dock, such as the Cambridge iD100 [iD100]http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=605&Title=iD100+Digital+Dock+for+iPad+%26+iPhone[/URL]. Connect it directly to the 800 or through a high quality DAC. Then subscribe to MOG or Pandora and use their apps on your iPad to play high quality audio from your favorite artists and genres.
If you have a BD player such as Oppo, it may already support Pandora. I think it's a great way to discover music to add to the collection, but the "free" sound quality is not sufficient for other than background music, IMHO. Not sure if the higher bitrate of the paid service makes the difference or not, but certainly worth your audition. Has anyone done a direct A/B of Pandora subscription vs CD?
post #4963 of 5782
Roger, I haven't done Pandora but I've done MOG. The subscription service ($10/month) will stream at 382K and allows you to be much more specific about your music choices than Pandora. I would say the sound quality out via a good DAC is as good, if not better, than CD. I also have a Pandora One subscription but plan to let it lapse when it expires. MOG is better quality sound and you can select specific songs, composers, albums, etc. if you only want to hear a stream from one specific artist it doesn't try to guess other artists that you might like, which annoys me.
post #4964 of 5782
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Originally Posted by ksalno View Post

Roger, I haven't done Pandora but I've done MOG. The subscription service ($10/month) will stream at 382K and allows you to be much more specific about your music choices than Pandora. I would say the sound quality out via a good DAC is as good, if not better, than CD. I also have a Pandora One subscription but plan to let it lapse when it expires. MOG is better quality sound and you can select specific songs, composers, albums, etc. if you only want to hear a stream from one specific artist it doesn't try to guess other artists that you might like, which annoys me.
MOG is something I should check out. Thanks for the info.

Just curious, to what would you attribute better sound from MOG than CD? Are they sometimes using "hi res" sources?
post #4965 of 5782
Did some digging as MOG is a rare subscription service thats available downunder and found this interesting smile.gif

http://www.soundstagexperience.com/index.php/features-menu/music-everywhere-menu/290-music-everywhere-mog
post #4966 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

MOG is something I should check out. Thanks for the info.
Just curious, to what would you attribute better sound from MOG than CD? Are they sometimes using "hi res" sources?

I think there are probably a couple factors, as my listening was not completely apples to apples. I play my CD collection from a NAS music server into a Squeezebox Transport, connected via unbalanced coax cables. However, with MOG, I play from my iPad in the Cambridge DAC via an XLR balanced connection into a Benchmark DAC1 and then out via balanced XLRs to my CT-SSP. So for starters, this is an improved signal path over the Squeezebox.

Also, most of my CDs are the ones I purchased in the 80's and 90's. However, MOG in many cases has digitally remastered versions of these same CDs, so in many cases, the source material is probably better than what I have ripped on my music server.

Frankly, even if the sound quality was almost as good as CD, the ease of use, variety, and cost of MOG will probably have me only purchasing a few hi-res downloads, discs, or LPs in the future.

Karl
post #4967 of 5782
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Frankly, even if the sound quality was almost as good as CD, the ease of use, variety, and cost of MOG will probably have me only purchasing a few hi-res downloads, discs, or LPs in the future.
No doubt.

Anyone know what codec is used? MP3, AAC, other?
post #4968 of 5782
Interesting articles, I wonder if it would be best to forget EQ entirely in the SSP-800 and just use EQ in the sub!

http://www.meridian-audio.com/w_paper/Room_Correction_prt.pdf

http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~nils/classes/MUMT614/Wilson2003-Controlling%20Excitation%20of%20Room%20Modes.pdf
post #4969 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

No doubt.
Anyone know what codec is used? MP3, AAC, other?
Found 1 reference Roger with further links .

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/comparing-audio-quality-streaming-music-services-home-and-portably-mog
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Interesting articles, I wonder if it would be best to forget EQ entirely in the SSP-800 and just use EQ in the sub!
http://www.meridian-audio.com/w_paper/Room_Correction_prt.pdf
http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~nils/classes/MUMT614/Wilson2003-Controlling%20Excitation%20of%20Room%20Modes.pdf

That might be a concern for those of us using an AT screen.
post #4971 of 5782
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That might be a concern for those of us using an AT screen.

AT Screen?
post #4972 of 5782
Acoustically Transparent screen.
post #4973 of 5782
Has any one heard of antimode 8033? Is it worth it?

http://www.dspeaker.com/
post #4974 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

No doubt.
Anyone know what codec is used? MP3, AAC, other?

MP3 320 kbps CBR

You need to be a little careful with your network connection, because the iPhone player will automatically downgrade to 64 kbps if it detects you have a slow or congested network connection.
post #4975 of 5782
Hello,

I have a question regarding the SSP-800.

I noticed the other day while looking into the top of my unit from the left and right sides, there are two RED leds on what looks to be the HDMI board on top near the rear of the unit that are blinking on and off? I only noticed this recently because I was looking into the SSP from an angle through the vents. I can also see blue leds on the same board looking straight down into the unit.

Is this normal operation? Or is something at fault with my SSP-800? At the time I was using coaxial input of the SSP-800.

Thanks,
s
post #4976 of 5782
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Interesting articles, I wonder if it would be best to forget EQ entirely in the SSP-800 and just use EQ in the sub!
http://www.meridian-audio.com/w_paper/Room_Correction_prt.pdf
http://www.music.mcgill.ca/~nils/classes/MUMT614/Wilson2003-Controlling%20Excitation%20of%20Room%20Modes.pdf

Well, unless your sub cuts in at the "critical" frequency (200-300Hz or so depending on dimensions), EQing only the sub won't cut it.  MRC runs up to 250Hz, iirc.

post #4977 of 5782
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Has any one heard of antimode 8033? Is it worth it?
http://www.dspeaker.com/

That is sub, only.  Their new 2.0 Dual-Core will do main channels.

post #4978 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

That is sub, only.  Their new 2.0 Dual-Core will do main channels.

Hello Kal,

I understand that you have three 800Diamond as front in your system. Are they crossed over at 80Hz? I think it is a waist of a speaker to do that. I have been thinking about a third 800 Diamond 2nd generation for the center to replace my 802D first generation, but wonder if it is worth it?

Also how good is this DSP box?
post #4979 of 5782
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Originally Posted by wse View Post


Hello Kal,
I understand that you have three 800Diamond as front in your system. Are they crossed over at 80Hz? I think it is a waist of a speaker to do that. I have been thinking about a third 800 Diamond 2nd generation for the center to replace my 802D first generation, but wonder if it is worth it?
Also how good is this DSP box?


I tried 80Hz a while back but found that I preferred either 40Hz or full-range, especially with MRC or with other EQ.  It is not so much a matter of "wasting" but of optimizing the subjective perception. 

 

I cannot help you with the question of whether swapping an 802D1 with an 800D2 but try this:  Swap the 802D1 with one of your 800D2s for stereo and, aside from the bass, see if the mid-/hi- range is a satisfactory match.  There will be a difference but, given the acoustic effects of center position vs, lateral position, a small one is probably inconsequential.  A big one suggests an upgrade might be worth it.

 

My comments on the DSPeaker EQs are in Stereophile.

post #4980 of 5782
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

I tried 80Hz a while back but found that I preferred either 40Hz or full-range, especially with MRC or with other EQ.  It is not so much a matter of "wasting" but of optimizing the subjective perception.  I cannot help you with the question of whether swapping an 802D1 with an 800D2 but try this:  Swap the 802D1 with one of your 800D2s for stereo and, aside from the bass, see if the mid-/hi- range is a satisfactory match.  There will be a difference but, given the acoustic effects of center position vs, lateral position, a small one is probably inconsequential.  A big one suggests an upgrade might be worth it.
My comments on the DSPeaker EQs are in Stereophile.

Thank you Kal, I will try your suggestion about switching the 800Diamond and 802D1 and see if I hear a difference for movies and music. Yes in the best of both world I would love to upgrade I am just not sure it is worth the money especially since I will have to get an other CAM600 as well.

It is interesting I had the system calibrated and paid good money for it and bass is flat but my 800Ds are treated like bookshelf speakers as they are crossed over at 80HZ. Maybe I don't like it flat after all and should just leave the speakers full range and just EQ the subs. What do you think?

Do you have the link for the DSP, I actually subscribe to Stereophile print.
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