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post #5071 of 5459
12/6/12 at 12:21pm
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KR- Classe SSP-800
KR- Bryston SP3
KR- Meridian 861, hm, not sure which article to link.
Would be nice to convince Kal to review the Cary Cinema 12. Anyone!?

I reviewed the Cinema 11 but I was disappointed with the EQ and that seems to be unchanged in the 12.

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Thanks, and also Krell S-1200. I think both it and the Anthem have video processors.

Also, Krell will be introducing a new prepro in the $6K range.

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post #5072 of 5459
12/6/12 at 12:23pm
Sound quality for value is what I'm after, so the handling of the various CODECs from bitstream to analog will be my primary focus. I'll need to learn about active room equalization, but I'm inclined to believe I'll want to handle that separately. Don't want to keep bumping the SS-800 thread, but the brief off topic discussion has been helpful.
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post #5073 of 5459
12/6/12 at 12:24pm
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Would be nice to convince Kal to review the Cary Cinema 12. Anyone!?
This review by Fred Manteghian seems to cover the bases well. It appears the Cirrus EQ system is still not ready for prime time, so I'd consider the Cary as an alternative to the Bryston. If EQ is something you want, then the Anthem, Krell, or Classe would be more relevant.

Doesn't sound like the Cary 12 has moved on from the f'up I found the 11 to be ! I remember Kal's and other "prof"review of the c11 never mentioned one issue with it :lol:

Looking for a processor with eq ?

There's also the denon avp-a1hd3d coming upto 5 years old for me and still going strong smile.gif eq wise the might of audyssey xt32 and audyssey pro capability if have the need
Edited by alebonau - 12/6/12 at 12:31pm
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post #5074 of 5459
12/6/12 at 3:41pm
Also the McIntosh MX-151 with Room Perect EQ is another to consider if having room correction is
Important. I seriously considered it while looking at the Classe. It is pricey at $12500.00
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post #5075 of 5459
12/6/12 at 4:19pm
The Classe SSP-800 came into today. Plan to pick it up Saturday
and hook it up. How hard is it to set-up?
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post #5076 of 5459
12/6/12 at 5:31pm
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Originally Posted by Bigmoviefan View Post

The Classe SSP-800 came into today. Plan to pick it up Saturday and hook it up. How hard is it to set-up?
Christmas comes early! smile.gif

Very easy to set up, especially if you can use the touch screen. After all the plumbing connections are made, I'd recommend this sequence:

Define a first Config
1) >Menu >System Setup >Configuration >Config1 >Speakers >Spkr Config
2) Set each speaker to the desired size and crossover. Note: Crossover Slope only affects subwoofer LPF
3) >Back >Distance. Set distances for each speaker group
4) >Back >Levels >Noise Seq. If speakers are not all at 75 dB SPL, adjust accordingly.
5) >Home

Define a first input
1) >Menu >System Setup >Input >Video. Select the connector used for the source
2) >Back >Audio >Connector. Select the connector used for the source
3) >Back >Fave Processing. Choose the way you want 2-ch and multichannel sources to be handled by default
4) >Back >Configuration >Configuration1
5) >Back >Home

Select Input 1 and start listening

Enjoy!
Edited by Roger Dressler - 12/9/12 at 1:20am
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post #5077 of 5459
12/6/12 at 11:28pm
Thanks Roger! Yes Christmas comes early. Does the Classe automatically sense 24fps from Blu-ray player, and 60hz if it's a regular DVD? My Front speakers are Kef 205/2 full range floor standing speaker and the Sub a Pardigm Sub 1.
Would you crossover at 40hz, 60hz, 80hz? I had a Anthem D2 and it did all that with the ARC, and a tech did it so I don't know where it was crossed over. Sub does have it's own room EQ.
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post #5078 of 5459
12/7/12 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by Bigmoviefan View Post

Does the Classe automatically sense 24fps from Blu-ray player, and 60hz if it's a regular DVD?
Sense in what sense? It does not care, as it does no video processing. The OSD allegedly works on any source, but I have not explored that as I don't use the OSD.

The touchscreen video mode seems to work on anything I've tried.
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My Front speakers are Kef 205/2 full range floor standing speaker and the Sub a Pardigm Sub 1. Would you crossover at 40hz, 60hz, 80hz? I had a Anthem D2 and it did all that with the ARC, and a tech did it so I don't know where it was crossed over. Sub does have it's own room EQ.
I use 80 Hz even with the mains being 30 Hz capable because it offloads the bass stress, and also because my subs are better able to improve bass consistency around the seats than the mains.

I'd start with 80 Hz across all speakers, 24 dB slope, and see how that sounds. Then it's very easy to switch to 60 Hz if you like, but while there may be an obvious difference in bass quality as a result, it is more likely due to response change than image change. And if response change was what you needed, there are other ways to do that, like with EQ.
Edited by Roger Dressler - 12/7/12 at 3:06pm
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post #5079 of 5459
12/7/12 at 12:41pm
I guess with Video pass thru I don't have to worry about 24 fps or 60hz. It will just pass it through. Anthem D2 was very complicated in decking with 24fps. But it was dealing with a video processor so that makes sense.
Where to crossover my speakers is another issue. May just have to experiment to see what sounds best. Start with 80hz and work down.
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post #5080 of 5459
12/7/12 at 6:42pm
Classe SSP-800 owners how long did it take to break in your processor when you first hooked it up?
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post #5081 of 5459
12/7/12 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by Bigmoviefan View Post

Classe SSP-800 owners how long did it take to break in your processor when you first hooked it up?


It's been awhile but IIRC I ran it with signal passing thru it constantly for a week. In between the burn in I did listen and watch movies with it during that time period. I did listen to the XLR input seriously for the first time at 96 hours. Deeper and wider soundstage opened up after the 96 hour period for me. The unit has such a quiet background you can hear so much detail in recordings!
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post #5082 of 5459
12/8/12 at 3:51pm
What does ARC HDMI mean?
Doing set up, confused by that.
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post #5083 of 5459
12/8/12 at 4:45pm
ARC is audio return channel. It allows you to send video from the SSP to a DTV over HDMI, and the DTV's internal tuner can send its audio back to the SSP through the same HDMI cable. If the DTV supports it, that is.
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post #5084 of 5459
12/8/12 at 5:35pm
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ARC is audio return channel. It allows you to send video from the SSP to a DTV over HDMI, and the DTV's internal tuner can send its audio back to the SSP through the same HDMI cable. If the DTV supports it, that is.
Thanks Roger for the info.
I have the Classe up and running. Ohhh it sounds nice not even broke in. Biggest surprise is how much better the picture is on my Panasonic Plasma TV. Guess it is better not to have a Video processor built into the
The preamp processor!!! Two channel analog was sweet. Just checking everything I have hooked up into it. Took about 2 hours.
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post #5085 of 5459
12/9/12 at 12:43am
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Christmas comes early! smile.gif
Very easy to set up, especially if you can use the touch screen. After all the plumbing connections are made, I'd recommend this sequence:
Define a first Config
1) >Menu >System Setup >Configuration >Config1 >Speakers >Spkr Config
2) Set each speaker to the desired size and crossover. Note: Crossover Slope only affects subwoofer LPF
3) >Back >Distance. Set distances for each speaker group
4) >Back >Levels >Noise Seq. If speakers are not all at 75 dB SPL, adjust accordingly.
5) >Home
Define a first input
1) >Menu >System Setup >Input >Video. Select the connector used for the source
2) >Back >Audio >Connector. Select the connector used for the source
3) >Back >Fave Processing. Choose the way you want 2-ch and multichannel sources to be handled by defualt
4) >Back >Configuration >Configuration1
5) >Back >Home
Select Input 1 and start listening
Enjoy!
This was a big help Roger. Your extremely nice for posting this! Thank you very much!
Staying up crazy late listening to all the music
I own. Like listening to it for the first time!
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post #5086 of 5459
12/9/12 at 1:19am
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Originally Posted by Bigmoviefan View Post

This was a big help Roger. Your extremely nice for posting this! Thank you very much!
Staying up crazy late listening to all the music
I own. Like listening to it for the first time!
smile.gif I know the feeling.
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post #5087 of 5459
12/9/12 at 12:40pm
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

smile.gif I know the feeling.


I have that same feeling right now as I am enjoying a new Blu-ray player in my system which happens to be the Oppo BDP-105. One HDMI straight into the projector and the second HDMI audio only channel into the SSP-800 and to finish it off XLR interconnects into the SSP-800 for 2 channel playback! I now can fully appreciate the SSP-800 as my old Panasonic BD-30 was not in the same league being such an old player. Now time to think about the upgrade to HDMI 1.4 specs (3D).
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post #5088 of 5459
12/9/12 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

I have that same feeling right now as I am enjoying a new Blu-ray player in my system which happens to be the Oppo BDP-105. One HDMI straight into the projector and the second HDMI audio only channel into the SSP-800 and to finish it off XLR interconnects into the SSP-800 for 2 channel playback! I now can fully appreciate the SSP-800 as my old Panasonic BD-30 was not in the same league being such an old player. Now time to think about the upgrade to HDMI 1.4 specs (3D).

What are your initial thoughts comparing the 105's 2 channel analog outs, to using the 800's DACs, in 2 channel, via HDMI?

Dave
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post #5089 of 5459
12/9/12 at 1:48pm
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One HDMI straight into the projector and the second HDMI audio only channel into the SSP-800
Both HDMI outputs have video. HDMI cannot pass audio without a video signal. It can pass video without audio, though.
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post #5090 of 5459
12/9/12 at 3:04pm
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Both HDMI outputs have video. HDMI cannot pass audio without a video signal. It can pass video without audio, though.

Thanks Roger, yes I should have been more specific addressing HDMI outputs.
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post #5091 of 5459
12/9/12 at 3:15pm
I am curious to hear if those who have the SSP-800 and the Oppo BDP-105 prefer the found of the Oppo or the Classe when playing two channel with XLR DIRECT or using Classe's DAC?
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post #5092 of 5459
12/9/12 at 3:21pm
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What are your initial thoughts comparing the 105's 2 channel analog outs, to using the 800's DACs, in 2 channel, via HDMI?
Dave


They are very close in sonic signature making it harder to distinguish between the two which was not the case when I tried doing this comparing my Ayre CX-7e XLR out and Panasonic BD-30 via HDMI. I do like the sound of this player thru both outputs although I am nodding towards the analog outs as of now for CD playback. Most likely due to the sonic signature of the Synergistic Research interconnects. The biggest improvement using the HDMI output is listening to lossless audio 24/96 Blu Ray discs. CD cannot compare. I do have one Reference Recordings CD that is HDCD that does sound pretty good thru the Oppo-Classe combo.
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post #5093 of 5459
12/9/12 at 4:28pm
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They are very close in sonic signature making it harder to distinguish between the two which was not the case when I tried doing this comparing my Ayre CX-7e XLR out and Panasonic BD-30 via HDMI. I do like the sound of this player thru both outputs although I am nodding towards the analog outs as of now for CD playback. Most likely due to the sonic signature of the Synergistic Research interconnects. The biggest improvement using the HDMI output is listening to lossless audio 24/96 Blu Ray discs. CD cannot compare. I do have one Reference Recordings CD that is HDCD that does sound pretty good thru the Oppo-Classe combo.

I am wondering if it is worth upgrading the BDP-95!
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post #5094 of 5459
12/9/12 at 8:28pm
The more I experiment with multichannel FLAC over hdmi into the ssp-800 the more new things I discover. Starting with discrete mode before file selected, once file begins to play the classe display shows PCM multi-ch with source 96k. Listening to Engegardkvartetten surround 5.1 FLAC 24 bit 96khz Beethoven Op 74 harp poco adagio. Sometimes with same source file the classe display shows digital PCM instead of PCM multi-ch. regardless, the mode is discrete.

Source is mica ep600 g2 . What differences if any with the classe processing either the PCM multi-ch or the digital PCM?
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post #5095 of 5459
12/9/12 at 8:52pm
From what I have seen, the display is sometimes fooled, but the signal processing is not.
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post #5096 of 5459
12/9/12 at 9:58pm
"I'd start with 80 Hz across all speakers, 24 dB slope, and see how that sounds. Then it's very easy to switch to 60 Hz if you like, but while there may be an obvious difference in bass quality as a result, it is more likely due to response change than image change. And if response change was what you needed, there are other ways to do that, like with EQ."

I have Sub set at 12db slope, but you recommend 24. I'll try that out tomorrow night
Roger.
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post #5097 of 5459
12/9/12 at 10:10pm
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I am curious to hear if those who have the SSP-800 and the Oppo BDP-105 prefer the found of the Oppo or the Classe when playing two channel with XLR DIRECT or using Classe's DAC?
I would bet the Oppo BDP105 would sound fantastic with XLR input analog bypass.
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post #5098 of 5459
12/10/12 at 3:56pm
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I would bet the Oppo BDP105 would sound fantastic with XLR input analog bypass.

Better than the Classe, it might be interesting as I would not mind having one less component from source to speakers. Direct path is always best biggrin.gif
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post #5099 of 5459
12/10/12 at 4:23pm
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They are very close in sonic signature making it harder to distinguish between the two which was not the case when I tried doing this comparing my Ayre CX-7e XLR out and Panasonic BD-30 via HDMI. I do like the sound of this player thru both outputs although I am nodding towards the analog outs as of now for CD playback. Most likely due to the sonic signature of the Synergistic Research interconnects. The biggest improvement using the HDMI output is listening to lossless audio 24/96 Blu Ray discs. CD cannot compare. I do have one Reference Recordings CD that is HDCD that does sound pretty good thru the Oppo-Classe combo.

I appreciate the feedback. I am thinking of up grading my Oppo 83se to the 103 or 105. I am leaning toward the 103. I feel the 800's sonics are quite good, for my taste, so I probably wouldn't need the 105. I have been very happy with the 83, but I am thinking of becoming 3D capable, as well as WiFi capable. Thanks for your thoughts.

Dave
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post #5100 of 5459
12/10/12 at 10:15pm
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I appreciate the feedback. I am thinking of up grading my Oppo 83se to the 103 or 105. I am leaning toward the 103. I feel the 800's sonics are quite good, for my taste, so I probably wouldn't need the 105. I have been very happy with the 83, but I am thinking of becoming 3D capable, as well as WiFi capable. Thanks for your thoughts.
Dave


Dave,

I was going to originally buy a BDP-95 and started reading the Oppo 103 threads (funny how that happens on this forum when we are contemplating buying a new piece) and chose the 105 for the analog outputs which allowed me the same aftermarket cable connection I had with the Ayre CX-7e. I think you willl really enjoy the BDP-103 and SSP-800 combination! I have no plans on selling my SSP-800!
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