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post #5161 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Bigmoviefan View Post

Does everyone use stock cords on their SSP-800's? interesting. Even on your amps?

No stock cords on any of my gear. Personal choice and the sum of all parts to me.

My cabling is a smorgasbord of brands but all came together for me.

Synergistic Research Tesla Power Cords all around except on my Shunyata Hydra 8 conditioner. I use Anaconda here. Keeping aftermarket cords seated can be a pain in the ass due to weight and girth. I have had my moments of swearing when moving gear for cleaning etc and they pop off. SR Tesla are excellent but if I could do it again would probably go Shunyata all around.

Best results in order - to me:
Rega Saturn CD player
Classe SSP-800
Cambridge Audio Azur Blu-ray player
Simaudio Titan Amp

Kimber Cable Select balanced ICs Classe to Simaudio amp
Kimber Cable Select RCAs Rega Saturn to Classe

Audioquest Comet speaker cables front three. Dynaudio Confidence series speakers.

Shunyata Hydra 8 conditioner - this is an excellent piece and should be treated like a separate piece of gear as it is.

Audioquest carbon or vodka HDMI for all video pieces.

Spending this much on cables not for everyone but I do feel it was worth it. Personal preference here.

I would try a conditioner and cheaper cable on SSP-800 then source pieces and amp very last if I were going to try aftermarket cables. See what you think before going crazy. My cables might be equal in cost to the SSP-800. Ugh.

Rick
Edited by Mr.SoftDome - 12/28/12 at 11:32pm
post #5162 of 5779
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post

Trying to program my harmony remote to set the ssp-800 to discrete mode for a specific input handling my network streamer for multi-channel or stereo files. Discrete not a choice for the harmony and no discrete button on the classe remote to learn from. Suggestions ?

If you have already chosen your " Favorite Processing" mode (for 2 channel and multi-channel) within the "Input" in question, and are looking to add more functionality to your remote, then this is what I have done with my Harmony remote.

I have an older Harmony 880. But it does allow for macro's, or sequences, to be used. I created a "sequence" that calls up the "Discrete" function, as well as many other sequences that perform other tasks. The two steps I used to perform the "Discrete" operation, in the Harmony software, are as follows:

1)- Select the "Customize Buttons" within the "Activity" you want perform this sequence in, 2)- select the "Additional Buttons" tab, and at the bottom left side of the page find the "Add Sequence" button. I then created the "sequence";

Sequence=Discrete
Device=SSP-800, Command= Mode
Device=SSP-800, Command=Discrete

That made up the "Discrete" sequence. I then added that "sequence" to a position in the "Additional Buttons" area.

The SSP-800's "Discrete" IR code should already be in Harmony's data bank, as I have already gone through many of the 800's IR commands and uploaded them to Harmony (that's if the data bank crosses platforms to different Harmony remote models).

As I stated my remote is an older model 880, so not knowing if all this applies to you particular model or not, is up for grabs!

Hope this helps, Dave
post #5163 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Bigmoviefan View Post

Does everyone use stock cords on their SSP-800's? interesting. Even on your amps?

Yes, stock power cords for both amp and pre/pro. Power is cleaned up and isolated through an Eaton EX UPS and Furman power conditioner. I've had both a power engineer and audio engineer who do pro recording studios involved in installing and calibrating my system and neither ever suggested that more expensive (note I didn't say better) power cords would make any difference.
post #5164 of 5779
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Originally Posted by ksalno View Post

Yes, stock power cords for both amp and pre/pro. Power is cleaned up and isolated through an Eaton EX UPS and Furman power conditioner. I've had both a power engineer and audio engineer who do pro recording studios involved in installing and calibrating my system and neither ever suggested that more expensive (note I didn't say better) power cords would make any difference.

Which Furman conditioner are you using?
post #5165 of 5779
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post

Trying to program my harmony remote to set the ssp-800 to discrete mode for a specific input handling my network streamer for multi-channel or stereo files. Discrete not a choice for the harmony and no discrete button on the classe remote to learn from. Suggestions ?

Second request for advice please.
post #5166 of 5779
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post

Second request for advice please.
S'matter, no likee these replies?

Reply 1
Reply 2

Should we send a fax, man?

confused.gif
post #5167 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

S'matter, no likee these replies?
Reply 1
Reply 2
Should we send a fax, man?
confused.gif

My apologies to Dave and roger. Must have been the egg nog. Burp.

Will give suggestions a try. Happy new year
post #5168 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Rather than teaching the Harmony from the SSP's remote, teach it from the IR emitter on the front panel (same red window next to Mute button as the receiver uses).
Go to the System Setup menu, select Teach IR. Scroll to the command you want for discrete (for 2-ch use "Stereo," for 5.1 use "Multi-channel").

Your advice worked perfectly.

In the teach IR setup, discrete was not listed as a code choice. Got out my ssp-800 owners manual and on pg 36 checked the teach ir choices with the manual and discovered the teach ir code is listed as multi-channel instead of as Discrete. Also did not realize the ssp-800 could transmit the ir code to my harmony remote to teach it. I thought the teach IR function was related to the classe remote so I had skipped that. What a useful feature this is.

The second suggestion from Dave may also have worked but my harmony one does not offer the feature in harmony remote software to program that way with notepad style instructions. Maybe its there but really buried.

Following your instructions, when I choose the input for my streamer, the ssp-800 simply plays the multi-channel or stereo file in its native format, and sound is sent to whatever channels have data in the LPCM stream. The HDMI 2 channel to FL and FR . The HDMI 5.1 multi-channel to the center, sub , FL , FR , and surrounds . Do you agree this is actually the same as a method of By-pass for streaming HDMI audio files?
post #5169 of 5779
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post

Which Furman conditioner are you using?

The Elite 15i
post #5170 of 5779
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post

the ssp-800 simply plays the multi-channel or stereo file in its native format, and sound is sent to whatever channels have data in the LPCM stream. The HDMI 2 channel to FL and FR . The HDMI 5.1 multi-channel to the center, sub , FL , FR , and surrounds . Do you agree this is actually the same as a method of By-pass for streaming HDMI audio files?
Yes. Glad you got it working harmoniously. wink.gif
post #5171 of 5779
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For one, I want to see how the corrections that Dirac creates compare with REW using the same mic pattern. Stuff like that.

If/when you get a DL2, let us know your findings...
post #5172 of 5779
Like Mr SoftDome, I've had the same Classe/Sim Titan combo for the last 4 years. Sweet music together!!!
Only other amp I would consider is the McIntosh 303 but I'm not sure it would be an improvement, maybe just different.
Lessloss PCs all around for me except for the Classe, which I use Pure Note Alluvian.
post #5173 of 5779
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Originally Posted by wadeh911 View Post


...The second suggestion from Dave may also have worked but my harmony one does not offer the feature in harmony remote software to program that way with notepad style instructions. Maybe its there but really buried.

I'm glad Rogers answer was able to get you where you want to be.

I'm just curious, with your Harmony One, I assume you program it online?
I only bring this up, due to the fact that I must have mislead you to think that I program my 880 remote using a text editor. I do not. I should have stated more clearly that the Harmony software for my remote, uses pull down menus of sorts. I assumed that for your Harmony remote, it would be a similar style of programming.

When I stated:
"Sequence=Discrete
Device=SSP-800, Command= Mode
Device=SSP-800, Command=Discrete", I used the equals signs to depict the choice from the pull down menu for "Device" and for "Command".

Hope this clears up my statement.
Dave
post #5174 of 5779
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Originally Posted by buttecreeker View Post

I'm glad Rogers answer was able to get you where you want to be.
I'm just curious, with your Harmony One, I assume you program it online?
I only bring this up, due to the fact that I must have mislead you to think that I program my 880 remote using a text editor. I do not. I should have stated more clearly that the Harmony software for my remote, uses pull down menus of sorts. I assumed that for your Harmony remote, it would be a similar style of programming.
When I stated:
"Sequence=Discrete
Device=SSP-800, Command= Mode
Device=SSP-800, Command=Discrete", I used the equals signs to depict the choice from the pull down menu for "Device" and for "Command".
Hope this clears up my statement.
Dave

It uses an online account to store the programming and to offer menu driven programming choices. My problem with harmony one was no ability to choose discrete command from menu because it is not a choice. Years ago I remember some harmony remotes allowed freestyle programming using command = function scripts but that was before harmony purchased by Logitech. This missing discrete choice is the first time a valid command choice was not available for one of my components.

I appreciate and now understand your suggestion. Happy new year Dave.
post #5175 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Mr.SoftDome View Post

No stock cords on any of my gear. Personal choice and the sum of all parts to me.
My cabling is a smorgasbord of brands but all came together for me.
Synergistic Research Tesla Power Cords all around except on my Shunyata Hydra 8 conditioner. I use Anaconda here. Keeping aftermarket cords seated can be a pain in the ass due to weight and girth. I have had my moments of swearing when moving gear for cleaning etc and they pop off. SR Tesla are excellent but if I could do it again would probably go Shunyata all around.
Best results in order - to me:
Rega Saturn CD player
Classe SSP-800
Cambridge Audio Azur Blu-ray player
Simaudio Titan Amp
Kimber Cable Select balanced ICs Classe to Simaudio amp
Kimber Cable Select RCAs Rega Saturn to Classe
Audioquest Comet speaker cables front three. Dynaudio Confidence series speakers.
Shunyata Hydra 8 conditioner - this is an excellent piece and should be treated like a separate piece of gear as it is.
Audioquest carbon or vodka HDMI for all video pieces.
Spending this much on cables not for everyone but I do feel it was worth it. Personal preference here.
I would try a conditioner and cheaper cable on SSP-800 then source pieces and amp very last if I were going to try aftermarket cables. See what you think before going crazy. My cables might be equal in cost to the SSP-800. Ugh.
Rick
Rick I am curious about the performance results of using the Audioquest Carbon & Vodka HDMI cables. I was told the better HDMI cables make a difference in sound with a high resolution system such as the ones many have on here using the Classe SSP-800. What difference have you heard and seen?
post #5176 of 5779
Hi guys,

I do not know if this question was answered previously so please don't hesitate to point me to the right page/link if that's the case. Basically, I would like to use my subwoofer in stereo bypass mode. I prefer the DAC in my source component to the one in the SSP-800 and I would like to avoid the double conversion in the SSP that is required for bass management. I've done some experiment and the sound is better when using the bypass mode (as expected). However, I miss the solid bass provided by my sub when using that mode. It's not clear whether I can use the AUX outputs for that. In addition, I do not want to lose the setup configuration for movies and multichannel music. In other words, I want everything tongue.gif

Any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
post #5177 of 5779
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Originally Posted by lyug View Post

Hi guys,
I do not know if this question was answered previously so please don't hesitate to point me to the right page/link if that's the case. Basically, I would like to use my subwoofer in stereo bypass mode. I prefer the DAC in my source component to the one in the SSP-800 and I would like to avoid the double conversion in the SSP that is required for bass management. I've done some experiment and the sound is better when using the bypass mode (as expected). However, I miss the solid bass provided by my sub when using that mode. It's not clear whether I can use the AUX outputs for that. In addition, I do not want to lose the setup configuration for movies and multichannel music. In other words, I want everything tongue.gif
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance!

What is your source component? Oppo BDP-105 smile.gif !
post #5178 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Bigmoviefan View Post

Rick I am curious about the performance results of using the Audioquest Carbon & Vodka HDMI cables. I was told the better HDMI cables make a difference in sound with a high resolution system such as the ones many have on here using the Classe SSP-800. What difference have you heard and seen?

I have 800Diamonds powered by Classe CM-600 and 802Ds powered by Classe CA-5200 all plugged in the SSP-800 and never heard any difference with different HDMi cables !!! Analogue cables yes but HDMi never sorry wink.gif

I use custom made cables with Mogami Neglex Quad Microphone Cables terminated with Neutrik NC3MXX-EMC for my XLR. Superb quality at affordable prices used in recording studios around the world smile.gif

http://www.mogamicable.com/category/bulk/microphone/quad/
http://www.neutrik.com/en/xlr/xlr-cable-connectors/emc-series/

PM me if you want to know who makes them for me
Edited by wse - 1/3/13 at 8:15pm
post #5179 of 5779
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

What is your source component? Oppo BDP-105 smile.gif !

Oppo-95. Great component. I've heard that the 105 is even better, lucky you wink.gif. Have you compared both side by side?
post #5180 of 5779
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Originally Posted by lyug View Post

Oppo-95. Great component. I've heard that the 105 is even better, lucky you wink.gif. Have you compared both side by side?

I didn't upgrade the Oppo yet I am on the fence it uses the same DACs so I am not sure it is going to be that much better! I wish a Classe, B&W owner had done the comparison.
post #5181 of 5779
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Originally Posted by lyug View Post

I would like to use my subwoofer in stereo bypass mode.

It's not clear whether I can use the AUX outputs for that.

In addition, I do not want to lose the setup configuration for movies and multichannel music. In other words, I want everything tongue.gif
Any ideas?
The Classe solution for that is the CP-800. The SSP cannot do it.

Can the Oppo's bass management be used for all the stereo sources you desire (SACD cannot do bass management unless the DSD is converted to PCM)? If so, turn it on and use the 7.1 bypass to carry the L/R/Sub signals from the Oppo.
post #5182 of 5779
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Originally Posted by lyug View Post

Hi guys,
I do not know if this question was answered previously so please don't hesitate to point me to the right page/link if that's the case. Basically, I would like to use my subwoofer in stereo bypass mode. I prefer the DAC in my source component to the one in the SSP-800 and I would like to avoid the double conversion in the SSP that is required for bass management. I've done some experiment and the sound is better when using the bypass mode (as expected). However, I miss the solid bass provided by my sub when using that mode. It's not clear whether I can use the AUX outputs for that. In addition, I do not want to lose the setup configuration for movies and multichannel music. In other words, I want everything tongue.gif
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance!

I do that with a REL sub. They make a proprietary cable that takes signal off the amp L-R speaker outputs and routes to a cross-over in the sub. That provides for a signal to the sub for stereo bypass or discrete modes for any pre/pro. They also have a regular RCA connection for the .1 LFE out which will handle the movies and other multi-channel material. I don't know of any other sub on the market besides REL with this type of dual connection.

Karl
post #5183 of 5779
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I didn't upgrade the Oppo yet I am on the fence it uses the same DACs so I am not sure it is going to be that much better! I wish a Classe, B&W owner had done the comparison.

Sorry I did not have the chance to compare both myself, this is my third Oppo (went from 83 to 93 and now 95) and I've always been satisfied. I'm like you, I do not see a clear advantage to upgrade again even though Oppo themselves claim audio quality is slightly better on the 105 vs 95 (of course rolleyes.gif). But I'll pass my turn this time! smile.gif
post #5184 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

The Classe solution for that is the CP-800. The SSP cannot do it.
Can the Oppo's bass management be used for all the stereo sources you desire (SACD cannot do bass management unless the DSD is converted to PCM)? If so, turn it on and use the 7.1 bypass to carry the L/R/Sub signals from the Oppo.

Hi Roger,

thanks for your reply. What you suggest makes a lot of sense and I'll try it. The only problem I see with it though is it will force me to replace my XLR ICs for a RCA version since the Classe does not have XLR based 7.1 channel inputs. It would have been very nice to have the SSP-800 use the signal from XLR input connectors when the 7.1 L/R RCA connectors are not used. In other words, have the possibility to output a 5.1 channel signal made from Sub, SL, SR from the 7.1 inputs and L/R from XLR inputs. Too much to ask for I guess smile.gif. Thanks again!
post #5185 of 5779
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Originally Posted by ksalno View Post

I do that with a REL sub. They make a proprietary cable that takes signal off the amp L-R speaker outputs and routes to a cross-over in the sub. That provides for a signal to the sub for stereo bypass or discrete modes for any pre/pro. They also have a regular RCA connection for the .1 LFE out which will handle the movies and other multi-channel material. I don't know of any other sub on the market besides REL with this type of dual connection.
Karl

Hi Karl,

It is nice to see vendors providing solutions for this kind of problem as I'm sure I'm not the only one in this situation. However, I have a JL audio Fathom 113 and my back will appreciate I do not want to replace my 130 pounds sub with a REL just to solve that somewhat minor problem in comparison biggrin.gif

Thanks!
post #5186 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

The Classe solution for that is the CP-800. The SSP cannot do it. Can the Oppo's bass management be used for all the stereo sources you desire (SACD cannot do bass management unless the DSD is converted to PCM)? If so, turn it on and use the 7.1 bypass to carry the L/R/Sub signals from the Oppo.

Happy New Year 2013 Roger,

I know that you have great expertise, and you mentioned that you have used the XTZ Room Analyzer II Pro to calibrate the SSP-800. I am wondering, did you compare it to The Dirac Live Room Correction Suite™ (http://www.dirac.se/en/consumer-products/dirac-rcs.aspx) the demo software is free for 14 days. The full version is very pricey $850!

I decided that 2013 is the year when I am going to learn calibration so I don't have to pay again for this service, plus I will be able to recalibrate myself when I make new additions or room changes smile.gif
post #5187 of 5779
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Originally Posted by lyug View Post

Sorry I did not have the chance to compare both myself, this is my third Oppo (went from 83 to 93 and now 95) and I've always been satisfied. I'm like you, I do not see a clear advantage to upgrade again even though Oppo themselves claim audio quality is slightly better on the 105 vs 95 (of course rolleyes.gif). But I'll pass my turn this time! smile.gif

I am like you I bought the BDP-83 and BDP-95 so I am sitting that one out until next time, by then new better performing DACs will have been released. Unless, the BDP-95 stops working of course wink.gif
post #5188 of 5779
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

you mentioned that you have used the XTZ Room Analyzer II Pro to calibrate the SSP-800. I am wondering, did you compare it to The Dirac Live Room Correction Suite
Not that it matters, but I have the older XTZ. No, I did not make any comparison.
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I decided that 2013 is the year when I am going to learn calibration so I don't have to pay again for this service, plus I will be able to recalibrate myself when I make new additions or room changes smile.gif
Now that sounds like a very worthwhile New Year's resolution! Just be careful when recalibrating yourself. tongue.gif
Edited by Roger Dressler - 1/5/13 at 2:02am
post #5189 of 5779
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Happy New Year 2013 Roger,
I know that you have great expertise, and you mentioned that you have used the XTZ Room Analyzer II Pro to calibrate the SSP-800. I am wondering, did you compare it to The Dirac Live Room Correction Suite™ (http://www.dirac.se/en/consumer-products/dirac-rcs.aspx) the demo software is free for 14 days. The full version is very pricey $850!
I decided that 2013 is the year when I am going to learn calibration so I don't have to pay again for this service, plus I will be able to recalibrate myself when I make new additions or room changes smile.gif
I hired helped for using the XTZ Pro II and got great results. It exceeded my expectations. More detail, tighter more defined bass, and the whole system and surround effects seems more seamless! XTZ works very well with the Classe SSP-800
post #5190 of 5779
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Originally Posted by Bigmoviefan View Post

I hired helped for using the XTZ Pro II and got great results. It exceeded my expectations. More detail, tighter more defined bass, and the whole system and surround effects seems more seamless! XTZ works very well with the Classe SSP-800

Who was the help?
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