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post #5281 of 5475
2/15/13 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by dminches View Post

How do you replace the batteries in the remote?

The unit comes with a special hexagon shaped screw driver that is used to remove the 3 screws on the bottom plate of the remote. I have had my SSP-800 for I think a couple of years now and have never had to replace the batteries.
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post #5282 of 5475
2/15/13 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by dminches View Post

How do you replace the batteries in the remote?
Use the little Xcelite tool provided with the unit (it's a hex wrench with a red plastic handle). Remove 3 screws from the bottom of the remote. Batteries come out.

The same tool accesses the innards of the SSP through the top plate, not that there's any user serviceable parts inside.
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post #5283 of 5475
2/19/13 at 3:03pm

So I am curious, does any one thinks that since Classé moved their manufacturing to China.  Do you think the quality is the same, better or worst?  

 

I know only time will tell?  Also do you think that the resale value will be impacted in the future?

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post #5284 of 5475
2/19/13 at 3:30pm
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

So I am curious, does any one thinks that since Classé moved their manufacturing to China.  Do you think the quality is the same, better or worst?  

I know only time will tell?  Also do you think that the resale value will be impacted in the future?

I think resale value will hurt a little. When I had my amps listed, I was asked by a few interested buyers if they were China or Canada made. Although I think the quality shouldn't be impacted as Classe claims they oversee operations in China, some are still concerned about it.
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post #5285 of 5475
2/19/13 at 5:16pm
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Originally Posted by adidino View Post I think resale value will hurt a little. When I had my amps listed, I was asked by a few interested buyers if they were China or Canada made. Although I think the quality shouldn't be impacted as Classe claims they oversee operations in China, some are still concerned about it.

 

Yes that is what I am afraid of, well as long as they perform well for the next ten years then I will be fine.

 

Has any one tried the Ayre VX-R it is a beauty!!

 

http://www.ayre.com/vxr.htm

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post #5286 of 5475
2/23/13 at 12:33pm
I listened to the Ayre, but I think it was the V series (V-5xe). Very nice but a little too dry and sounded a bit thin for my taste (especially at low volumes). I preferred the McIntosh MC303 I compared it against.
Edited by G-Rex - 2/23/13 at 12:38pm
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post #5287 of 5475
2/24/13 at 6:27pm
I own Classe product made in Canada and China. When the announcement that Classe being made in China originally held merit and cause for concern was legit. however my made in China CP-800 and SSP-800 both work flawlessly and have met my expectations. The resale value may dip a little for made in China product, but only time will tell if that trend holds up. In my opinion...what will drive resale value of Classe products will be how they compete against products of similar price point and feature sets. So far Classe has done well in that regard. Specially the CP-800 recently has excellent reviews and has been a segment leader. The SSP-800 has aged well, yet still competes with the newest SSP's. If Classe launches hardware upgrades the SSP-800 will continue to be product worth consideration in the high end SSP arena. The newer Classe amps still go head to head with other amps in comparable watts and specs. I have not seen any Classe products selling for cheap prices due to being made in China, but very little of it has been on the market long enough to be "for sale" on the used market. Classe product made in Canada still sells for fair Blue Book prices.

See Ya,
Steve
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post #5288 of 5475
2/24/13 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by ClasseAddict View Post I own Classe product made in Canada and China. When the announcement that Classe being made in China originally held merit and cause for concern was legit. however my made in China CP-800 and SSP-800 both work flawlessly and have met my expectations. The resale value may dip a little for made in China product, but only time will tell if that trend holds up. In my opinion...what will drive resale value of Classe products will be how they compete against products of similar price point and feature sets. So far Classe has done well in that regard. Specially the CP-800 recently has excellent reviews and has been a segment leader. The SSP-800 has aged well, yet still competes with the newest SSP's. If Classe launches hardware upgrades the SSP-800 will continue to be product worth consideration in the high end SSP arena. The newer Classe amps still go head to head with other amps in comparable watts and specs. I have not seen any Classe products selling for cheap prices due to being made in China, but very little of it has been on the market long enough to be "for sale" on the used market. Classe product made in Canada still sells for fair Blue Book prices. See Ya, Steve

 

So what is the Blue Book Value for the SSP-800?  My SSP-800 was made in Canada and my VP-800 made in China.

 

As far as I can tell same quality, both work fine so far.  When do you think will Classé upgrade the SSP-800?

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post #5289 of 5475
2/26/13 at 7:43pm
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Originally Posted by ClasseAddict View Post

I own Classe product made in Canada and China. When the announcement that Classe being made in China originally held merit and cause for concern was legit. however my made in China CP-800 and SSP-800 both work flawlessly and have met my expectations. The resale value may dip a little for made in China product, but only time will tell if that trend holds up. In my opinion...what will drive resale value of Classe products will be how they compete against products of similar price point and feature sets. So far Classe has done well in that regard. Specially the CP-800 recently has excellent reviews and has been a segment leader. The SSP-800 has aged well, yet still competes with the newest SSP's. If Classe launches hardware upgrades the SSP-800 will continue to be product worth consideration in the high end SSP arena. The newer Classe amps still go head to head with other amps in comparable watts and specs. I have not seen any Classe products selling for cheap prices due to being made in China, but very little of it has been on the market long enough to be "for sale" on the used market. Classe product made in Canada still sells for fair Blue Book prices.

See Ya,
Steve
I think Classe has done a top notch job of quality control in China. They had to know it is very important for the Classe brand to keep the build quality
Really high.
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post #5290 of 5475
2/26/13 at 8:39pm
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Originally Posted by Bigmoviefan View Post I think Classe has done a top notch job of quality control in China. They had to know it is very important for the Classe brand to keep the build quality, Really high.

I agree I can't tell the difference so far let's hope that it remains true as time goes by!

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post #5291 of 5475
2/27/13 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I agree I can't tell the difference so far let's hope that it remains true as time goes by!


I have just taken delivery of a SSP800............It certainly does not look ,feel ,act - or sound as if it was assembled in
China .
I should imagine that Classe as a company have ensured that the move to assemble ( not produce ) in China is as good if not better than where they previously produced their products .
I also have 2 B&W DB1 subwoofers, I think produced in the same facility- fit and finish is top class .
These products are assembled in a purpose built factory and not alongside toasters and kettles........so yes , guess I am not too upset about it !

By the way , how do you change volume setting from relative to absolute and vice versa ?? Mentioned in n the manual , but for my life cannot find it !!
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post #5292 of 5475
2/27/13 at 12:51pm
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Originally Posted by Alsof1 View Post


By the way , how do you change volume setting from relative to absolute and vice versa ?? Mentioned in n the manual , but for my life cannot find it !!

Press the "Menu" button. Located the "Display Setup" page. Then pick "Volume". It is at page 51 of the owners manual (version2.2) that is.

Dave
Edited by buttecreeker - 2/27/13 at 12:58pm
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post #5293 of 5475
2/27/13 at 1:24pm
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Originally Posted by Alsof1 View Post I have just taken delivery of a SSP800............It certainly does not look ,feel, act - or sound as if it was assembled in China .
I should imagine that Classe as a company have ensured that the move to assemble ( not produce ) in China is as good if not better than where they previously produced their products .
I also have 2 B&W DB1 subwoofers, I think produced in the same facility- fit and finish is top class .
These products are assembled in a purpose built factory and not alongside toasters and kettles........so yes , guess I am not too upset about it !

By the way , how do you change volume setting from relative to absolute and vice versa ?? Mentioned in n the manual , but for my life cannot find it !!

 

So you kow that Classé has their own manufacturing in China, that's what I though as well.

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post #5294 of 5475
2/28/13 at 11:30am
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Originally Posted by buttecreeker View Post

Press the "Menu" button. Located the "Display Setup" page. Then pick "Volume". It is at page 51 of the owners manual (version2.2) that is.

Dave

Thanks Dave........was looking for this in Menu/System Set up/Volume rather then in Display - Got it , thanks .!

By the way on the low volume Bass issue using Aux 2 input and two subs .The Classe does not double up on volume when using two subs as other processors tend to do ,but evens the volume /signal
out .
Have set up my Revel Studios and Voice as Full range , 80 Hz Xover and Subwoofer +Ebass.........My two DB1 subs are best they ever been -linear , smooth response due to all speakers at Full range and sounds great l!!!
Just got to learn how to torture the SSP800 and the system to get the best it can give ..get there and you are made !
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post #5295 of 5475
2/28/13 at 11:57am
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Originally Posted by Alsof1 View Post Thanks Dave........was looking for this in Menu/System Set up/Volume rather then in Display - Got it , thanks .!

By the way on the low volume Bass issue using Aux 2 input and two subs .The Classe does not double up on volume when using two subs as other processors tend to do ,but evens the volume /signal out .
Have set up my Revel Studios and Voice as Full range , 80 Hz Xover and Subwoofer +Ebass.........My two DB1 subs are best they ever been -linear , smooth response due to all speakers at Full range and sounds great l!!!
Just got to learn how to torture the SSP800 and the system to get the best it can give ..get there and you are made !

 

2 B&W DB1 subwoofers" Cool I wonder how they compare to the JLAudio in terms of musicality and slam?

 

How can you have speakers set to full and 80Hz crossover it is either cross over or full range!

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post #5296 of 5475
2/28/13 at 1:16pm
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

2 B&W DB1 subwoofers" Cool I wonder how they compare to the JLAudio in terms of musicality and slam?


How can you have speakers set to full and 80Hz crossover it is either cross over or full range!

Simple ......... You set up your L/R/C speakers to FULL in the speaker set up menu of the Config you are using .
You must still tell the subs where to Xover from and what range to receive - in my case 80HZ and below is what I want the subs to receive - you do this by going to the Xover menu in the speaker set up menu and set to your required Xover ........your speakers set will then run full range and bass will be duplicated in all speakers Plus the sub , but in my case 80HZ and below is what subs will be receiving according to the xover I set .If yo do not do this the subs will be receiving a full range signal which of course is not wanted . Trust this clear ????
Someone correct e if I am wrong , but this only way to do it .
Also read up on This in Frequently asked Questions -Classe ............http://www.bwgroupsupport.com/faqs/classe
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post #5297 of 5475
2/28/13 at 1:27pm
Gentlemen, I have a dilemma... Running my SSP-800 with Arcam P7 amp. Is offered to buy Classe CA 5100 for a reasonable price. Need the opinion of our gurus - if the upgrade is worth extra 2,000 pounds (I am in UK). The speakers are B&W 803 diamonds. My room is not huge- but do you think 100 watts power will be enough? Will it improve the sound dramatically? Any feedback of someone who has or had that set-up is very welcome.
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post #5298 of 5475
2/28/13 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by Alsof1 View Post

Simple ......... You set up your L/R/C speakers to FULL in the speaker set up menu of the Config you are using .
You must still tell the subs where to Xover from and what range to receive - in my case 80HZ and below is what I want the subs to receive - you do this by going to the Xover menu in the speaker set up menu and set to your required Xover ........your speakers set will then run full range and bass will be duplicated in all speakers Plus the sub , but in my case 80HZ and below is what subs will be receiving according to the xover I set .If yo do not do this the subs will be receiving a full range signal which of course is not wanted . Trust this clear ????
Someone correct e if I am wrong , but this only way to do it .
Also read up on This in Frequently asked Questions -Classe ............http://www.bwgroupsupport.com/faqs/classe

My understanding is that "e-bass" must be enabled, in order for the bass to be steered to the sub (below the crossover Hz), in addition to the bass being sent to the mains.
I noticed that Alsof1 had said he was enabling "e-bass", in the previous post.

Dave
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post #5299 of 5475
2/28/13 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by Alsof1 View Post

Have set up my Revel Studios and Voice as Full range , 80 Hz Xover and Subwoofer +Ebass.
Just curious. If the Studios are good down to 30 Hz, why duplicate the bass from 30-80 Hz in the sub with e-bass? Doesn't that make it difficult to balance the bass <30 Hz with the rest? Or are you doing that with PEQ in the sub? If so, then that messes up the LFE response. confused.gif
Edited by Roger Dressler - 3/1/13 at 12:16am
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post #5300 of 5475
2/28/13 at 8:34pm
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View PostJust curious. If the Studios are good down to 30 Hz, why duplicate the bass from 30-80 Hz in the sub eith e-bass? Doesn't that make it difficult to balance the bass <30 Hz with the rest? Or are you doing that with PEQ in the sub? If so, then that messes up the LFE response. confused.gif

Interesting indeed!

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2/28/13 at 11:03pm
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Just curious. If the Studios are good down to 30 Hz, why duplicate the bass from 30-80 Hz in the sub eith e-bass? Doesn't that make it difficult to balance the bass <30 Hz with the rest? Or are you doing that with PEQ in the sub? If so, then that messes up the LFE response. confused.gif
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Interesting indeed!

By duplicating the bass in the the 80 to 30 HZ range in both my subs and the Studios ,I have managed to smooth the response audibly in my otherwise challenged square room .
I believe this is also one of the( apart from other ) reasons the ability to use Full + Sub + Ebass exists as quoted by Classe in their FAQ session I posted the link on .
Apart from a +7 db notch at 38zHZ ,I also have a bass suck out of up to -13 DB between 52 and 68HZ ........by duplicating the bass , at present after many hours of alternatives, it is best it has ever has been in the room and displays great sensitivity , musicality and slam - factors which are difficult to obtain and hard to come by as we all know !!.
I have run the Auto EQ on the DB1's , however I am not a fan of Auto EQing and the fact that B&W have not designed their EQ software for two subs I have been told, so better left alone .
I might add that one sub is difficult enough to set up properly - two subs are a nightmare !!!
My dealer will measure my room and EQ the SSP800 manually in the near future and I can then revisit - at present though, all sounding great which is the object of the game ,notwithstanding how you get there .
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3/1/13 at 12:35am
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

So you know that Classé has their own manufacturing in China, that's what I thought as well.
A memo from Dave Nauber about the China situation was posted in this thread a couple years ago. Do Alsof1's positive comments on build quality change your opinion of the time at all?
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post #5303 of 5475
3/2/13 at 8:05pm
Greetings, it's good to be here, glad i found this forum. This is my first post, and a question. I noticed, quite weirdly, that the stereo feed from my Mac Mini goes into the Surround speakers, not in the fronts. The only way to make it play via FR/FL is to switch into Music plus/party Mode. I'm running 5.1 config. In a stereo mode the sound disappears completely.

Now, this occurred quite late in the day, after a whole Saturday spent plumbling the SSP in and experimenting with my Oppo 105, so this maybe the unit overheating, as it's running a little hot at 55°C, this being my temporary set up.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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3/2/13 at 8:15pm
Another question. Oppo, for their 105, recommend dual HDMI output with HDMI 2 carrying audio only, but i could not configure the SSP's Input's audio connector to be another HDMI while taking video feed from HDMI 1. I know i could run just HDMI 2 into the SSP-800 only, but i wanted to run the video through the SSP to switch between projector and plasma. Thank you.
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3/2/13 at 8:22pm
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Greetings, it's good to be here, glad i found this forum. This is my first post, and a question. I noticed, quite weirdly, that the stereo feed from my Mac Mini goes into the Surround speakers, not in the fronts. The only way to make it play via FR/FL is to switch into Music plus/party Mode. I'm running 5.1 config. In a stereo mode the sound disappears completely.

Now, this occurred quite late in the day, after a whole Saturday spent plumbling the SSP in and experimenting with my Oppo 105, so this maybe the unit overheating, as it's running a little hot at 55°C, this being my temporary set up.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
You mean it was working fine, then did an about face?? Or is it consistent since you completed the wiring?

If consistent, sounds like a simple plumbing problem. Please describe the signal connections from the Mac to the SSP.

Also, make sure that when you run the internal test noise signal, the sound is heard from the speaker being displayed.

If is happened out of the blue, see if it persists after a cool down, if temperature is a concern.
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3/2/13 at 8:26pm
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Originally Posted by ollegg View Post

Another question. Oppo, for their 105, recommend dual HDMI output with HDMI 2 carrying audio only, but i could not configure the SSP's Input's audio connector to be another HDMI while taking video feed from HDMI 1. I know i could run just HDMI 2 into the SSP-800 only, but i wanted to run the video through the SSP to switch between projector and plasma. Thank you.
I think Oppo means you send one HDMI direct to the display, and the other to the SSP. I think it is mainly so that AVR's and processors that are not HDMI 1.4 compliant can avoid clogging on 3D video. The SSP passes 3D video so no need for the dual outputs.

The SSP has 2 outputs, so you can feed the 2 displays that way.
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3/2/13 at 8:26pm
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post You mean it was working fine, then did an about face?? Or is it consistent since you completed the wiring?  If consistent, sounds like a simple plumbing problem. Please describe the signal connections from the Mac to the SSP. Also, make sure that when you run the internal test noise signal, the sound is heard from the speaker being displayed. If is happened out of the blue, see if it persists after a cool down, if temperature is a concern.

I had a similar problem last night while switching mode temperature was 42C so not a heat problem.  I got a blue screen saying "Please Wait" waited for 10 minutes and had to hard reboot the SSP-800 !

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3/2/13 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

You mean it was working fine, then did an about face?? Or is it consistent since you completed the wiring?

If consistent, sounds like a simple plumbing problem. Please describe the signal connections from the Mac to the SSP.

Also, make sure that when you run the internal test noise signal, the sound is heard from the speaker being displayed.

If is happened out of the blue, see if it persists after a cool down, if temperature is a concern.

Roger, many thanks. It's the former, though it was my first day with the unit, and i tried a few permutations of connection, so it's difficult to compare apples to apples. The stereo signal from Mac Mini (iTunes and flash video like BBC iPlayer site), which played fine on internal buzzer when unplugged), fed in through Opt1, and HDMI, same result. Strangely, the DD feed from iTunes video worked fine at the same time. The SACD from Oppo 105 was fine in 5.1, but a CD did not play through LF/RF.
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3/3/13 at 12:30am
^^ I've never encountered the issues you describe -- spontaneous channel reversal. If a power-cycle reboot does not clear it, might have to ask the dealer or Classe tech support.
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3/3/13 at 1:37am
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

^^ I've never encountered the issues you describe -- spontaneous channel reversal. If a power-cycle reboot does not clear it, might have to ask the dealer or Classe tech support.
Roger, many thanks for your help. The issue has cleared after the unit cooled down overnight. Though I mysteriously lost DD signal via HDMI on the same Mac Mini now... But it's working fine via Optical, and the same material plays ok via Apple TV, so I take it it is a Mac Mini quirk, will have to ask on a different forum.

there's one more issue that's been bugging me. When switching between two inputs which have same Video connector but different Audio one, I lose video, and get "the green screeen on death". Eg. I set up two inputs for Oppo 105, one with HDMI audio and another with XLR -- to compare the DACs on 105 and 800. When I switch between these two modes, I get the green screen. Any idea why and is it curable?
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