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post #5431 of 5778
Harman has Logic 7, have had a chance to experience it it is really good!
post #5432 of 5778
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Originally Posted by owl1 View Post

I have to say I'm not in a good place after the latest firmware upgrade and am thinking of reverting back.

It seems like the latest DSP upgrade is a little more detailed but I'm not in the happy place I was previously with quite a bit of the warmth and the huge stage I was getting now missing in action.
I could tell you there is nothing in the latest FW that would degrade sound quality, but you may not believe me until you confirm for yourself. No harm in reverting to the previous version. Takes a few minutes, and then you can decide whether to keep it or go back to the latest.

This does not apply to all earlier releases, as they rearranged the DSP code. But the current and just prior releases are swappable.
Edited by Roger Dressler - 4/22/13 at 5:57pm
post #5433 of 5778
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Originally Posted by hipp View Post

When looking at the info on the Classe, it appears that using the Classe multichannel bypass with the Oppo analogue outs, the Sample Rate is displayed as SR 96.k.
Using the HDMI out the SR is 88k
Do you mean the SSP-800's display? With HDMI the 88.2 kHz makes sense. With multich bypass it means nothing since it's an all-analog path.
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Under ALL option settings DSD or PCM , auto or bitstream, The HDMI output is ALWAYS shown by the Classe to be PCM. If the Classe cannot decode DSD bitstream, this appears to have no consequence since the OPPO seems to ONLY output SACD bitsream as PCM 88k. (Mine anyway!)
Correct on all counts. SSP only accepts PCM.
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I also note that if the option to decode stereo in DTS from the Oppo is set to say music in the setup menu, it actually down mixes the 88k signal of the stereo SACD to 44k first, before steering it as multichannel output. however, when this option is set to work, the SACD multichannel output when played through the HDMI is, according to the Classe info, reduced to 44k (from the usual 88k)
Do you mean that the 105 lets you output the DSD as a DTS bitstream? If so, yes it has to be downsampled to either 44.1 or 48 kHz as that is what the internal DTS encoder supports for S/PDIF output. But since you have a processor capable of hi-res PCM, that would not be a good option to choose for the Oppo. Leave it as PCM.
post #5434 of 5778
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Originally Posted by hipp View Post


To Buttecreeker, I found the analogue playback of the DVD - Audio material very similar to the HDMI outputs.

Although the Oppo seems to reduce the Sample Rate to 88k (as per the Clase info) the effect seems to be insignificant at least to my ears.
A great DVD audio disc I often use to evaluate with is the AL Green Greatest hits, with its effective bass and soulful guitar in the surrounds.

I appreciate your feedback. I don't have that disc, but I will keep it in the back of mind, should I come across it in my travels. Also, if you're not familiar with the late Kevin Gilbert, "Toy Matinee" is a wonderful multi-channel DVD-A. The lead off track is produced a bit hot, as far as the bass goes. Still a wonderfully produced multi-channel disc (IMO).
post #5435 of 5778
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Do you mean the SSP-800's display? With HDMI the 88.2 kHz makes sense. With multich bypass it means nothing since it's an all-analog path.

Thanks for the feedback. Yes the SSP-800display, when playing SACD or DVD-A, shows sr: 96khz in the info box. I thought that meant that when decoded by the Oppo and played through the Classe analogue inputs, it was at the original 96/24 signal level.

Do you mean that the 105 lets you output the DSD as a DTS bitstream? If so, yes it has to be downsampled to either 44.1 or 48 kHz as that is what the internal DTS encoder supports for S/PDIF output. But since you have a processor capable of hi-res PCM, that would not be a good option to choose for the Oppo. Leave it as PCM.

I will do just that. Thanks
post #5436 of 5778
Can someone tell me what would match the best with sonus faber amati anniversario's regardless of pricing
1) cary cinema 12 with model 7.250
2) anthem d2v with p5
3) classe ssp-800 with ca-5300
4) classe ssp-800 with cary model 7.250 for the 7.1

Please help!
post #5437 of 5778
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Originally Posted by fidelio01 View Post

Can someone tell me what would match the best with sonus faber amati anniversario's regardless of pricing
1) cary cinema 12 with model 7.250
2) anthem d2v with p5
3) classe ssp-800 with ca-5300
4) classe ssp-800 with cary model 7.250 for the 7.1

Please help!

The SSP-800 with CA-M600 or if you can't afford the mono blocks I would get the CA-5300 and a CA-2300 you will love it trust me, I am a Classe am myself. smile.gif
Edited by wse - 4/30/13 at 2:38pm
post #5438 of 5778
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Originally Posted by fidelio01 View Post

Can someone tell me what would match the best with sonus faber amati anniversario's regardless of pricing
1) cary cinema 12 with model 7.250
2) anthem d2v with p5
3) classe ssp-800 with ca-5300
4) classe ssp-800 with cary model 7.250 for the 7.1

Please help!

Can't speak to options 1 or 2 but I have a pair of Cremona Auditor M's with a Cremona Center and REL sub with an CT-SSP and CT-5300 and I love the combination for music especially but also for movies.
post #5439 of 5778

So when do you think a new SSP will come out? This year or may be next year?

 

What would you want to see beside improved sound?

 

Here is my list of what I would want to see.

 

- An automated EQ in addition to the manual EQ, ideally Dirac Live but I can live with one of these Audyssey XT32 or (64), PARC, ARC, Trinnov, Classé's own receipe at least one of them would be nice

 

- DTS MDA, Neo X

 

- Dolby Atmos, Pro Logic IIz 

 

- 16.4 channels supporting four subs

 

- Color front panel OLED front panel

 

- Reasonably priced now that they are made in CHINA

 

 

Here is what to aspire to http://www.datasatdigital.com/docs/archive/DatasatRS20i_BROCHURE_040512.pdf

post #5440 of 5778
^^ You will not see anything like that from any maker this year.
post #5441 of 5778
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

^^ You will not see anything like that from any maker this year.

So how about 2014? I love to dream smile.gif
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The SSP800 owners seem to have all been very quiet of late .......??
Nevertheless , is any one out there with a 5.1 system using post processing with DolbyDigital or with the Lossless codecs?
if so , let me know why I should be looking at this rather than using just DISCREET setting for multichannel signals .....I have read the write up on post processing and the ability to do this , but why would one use this ?
post #5443 of 5778
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

I could tell you there is nothing in the latest FW that would degrade sound quality, but you may not believe me until you confirm for yourself. No harm in reverting to the previous version. Takes a few minutes, and then you can decide whether to keep it or go back to the latest.

This does not apply to all earlier releases, as they rearranged the DSP code. But the current and just prior releases are swappable.
Did I miss new firmware?? The latest I have is 3.0.2 from 9/20/2012.
post #5444 of 5778
"Did I miss new firmware?? The latest I have is 3.0.2 from 9/20/2012."

AS far as I know, that is the latest.
post #5445 of 5778
Yes unfortunately, no DTS NEOX, NO DOLBY PRO IIx no nothing frown.gif
post #5446 of 5778
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Originally Posted by Alsof1 View Post

The SSP800 owners seem to have all been very quiet of late .......??
We're all blissfully enjoying the trouble-free sound!
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Nevertheless, is any one out there with a 5.1 system using post processing with Dolby Digital or with the Lossless codecs? if so, let me know why I should be looking at this rather than using just DISCRETE setting for multichannel signals .....
With 5.1 sources these modes do nothing for 5.1 systems, unless you want to play them in stereo that is.
post #5447 of 5778
Yes but for those of us with 9.2 it would be nice to have the newer codecs from DD and DTS Like DD Pro IIx and DTS NeoX
post #5448 of 5778
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

We're all blissfully enjoying the trouble-free sound!
With 5.1 sources these modes do nothing for 5.1 systems, unless you want to play them in stereo that is.


Thanks , Roger - thought this was the case !

Yes , I am in fact enjoying my system at last .....after 8 years with the Lexicon I never knew what I was missing until I bought the SSP800 .....got to admit it was a bit scary waiting for the magic 300 ( closer to 450 I believe is the correct number ) hours to lapse- it eventually got there!
post #5449 of 5778
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Originally Posted by Alsof1 View PostThanks , Roger - thought this was the case !  Yes , I am in fact enjoying my system at last .....after 8 years with the Lexicon I never knew what I was missing until I bought the SSP800 .....got to admit it was a bit scary waiting for the magic 300 ( closer to 450 I believe is the correct number ) hours to lapse- it eventually got there!

Interesting, I never thought that because you play your SSP-800 that it improves, what is this based on I am curious I didn't se any changes?  How do you find how many hours?

post #5450 of 5778
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

We're all blissfully enjoying the trouble-free sound!

+1 ! Nicely put Roger!
post #5451 of 5778
Unfortunately as good a processor the SSP-800 is, one of its shortcomings for me in my setup, is that it does not not allow for speaker/bass management when using the m/c analogs which I seem to prefer lately ( I go back and forth on this) for most m/c dvd-a's and sacd's. This means I have to go into the setup menu of my A1UDCI source player and under audio setup under the subheading "Source Direct" I have to set it to off as opposed to on when I am using the HDMI connection so I can utilize the A1's speaker/bass management. This brings me to my question and maybe Roger you would know this. Since I have to go to the A1's setup menu anyway I have also been selecting the "Mute" option under HDMI setup when going the analog route. Previously I had left it on "Auto" and I noticed that the volume is 5 to 10 db higher when I select "Auto" vs. Mute. Now I am thinking that even though I am selecting the m/c analogs on my pre-pro that maybe it is actually playing thru the HDMI connection since in the A1's manual it states when selecting "Auto" = Automatically selects and outputs signals that can be input to the connected HDMI device with the bitstream taking priority. Maybe that would explain the 5 to 10 db higher volume when I leave auto on. With it on am I actually using the HDMI and not the m/c analogs? Is my thinking off base regarding this? I would think since I am selecting the m/c analog input it has to be playing thru them even if I have the HDMI setup in my A1 set to auto vs mute but why the big difference in the volume?
Edited by mt14942 - 5/22/13 at 4:26pm
post #5452 of 5778
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Unfortunately as good a processor the SSP-800 is, one of its shortcomings for me in my setup, is that it does not not allow for speaker/bass management when using the m/c analogs which I seem to prefer lately ( I go back and forth on this) for most m/c dvd-a's and sacd's. This means I have to go into the setup menu of my A1UDCI source player and under audio setup under the subheading "Source Direct" I have to set it to off as opposed to on when I am using the HDMI connection so I can utilize the A1's speaker/bass management.
Page 15 of the manual talks about the HDMI options, including de-activating bass management. Will that also affect the analog outputs? If not, I am not sure why you have to make any change in the menu. But if it does, then you're stuck.

Let's say the SSP could digitize the 7.1 inputs. That avoids the HDMI but adds an extra A/D/A cycle instead. Is that really so much better?
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This brings me to my question and maybe Roger you would know this. Since I have to go to the A1's setup menu anyway I have also been selecting the "Mute" option under HDMI setup when going the analog route. Previously I had left it on "Auto" and I noticed that the volume is 5 to 10 db higher when I select "Auto" vs. Mute. Now I am thinking that even though I am selecting the m/c analogs on my pre-pro that maybe it is actually playing thru the HDMI connection since in the A1's manual it states when selecting "Auto" = Automatically selects and outputs signals that can be input to the connected HDMI device with the bitstream taking priority. Maybe that would explain the 5 to 10 db higher volume when I leave auto on. With it on am I actually using the HDMI and not the m/c analogs? Is my thinking off base regarding this? I would think since I am selecting the m/c analog input it has to be playing thru them even if I have the HDMI setup in my A1 set to auto vs mute but why the big difference in the volume?
Yes, if you are selecting the SSP's m/c analog input, and you hear sound, then it is analog sound.

As for HDMI Mute, I cannot see why that should reduce the analog output level. Good question for Denon!
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Page 15 of the manual talks about the HDMI options, including de-activating bass management. Will that also affect the analog outputs? If not, I am not sure why you have to make any change in the menu. But if it does, then you're stuck.

Let's say the SSP could digitize the 7.1 inputs. That avoids the HDMI but adds an extra A/D/A cycle instead. Is that really so much better?
Yes, if you are selecting the SSP's m/c analog input, and you hear sound, then it is analog sound.

As for HDMI Mute, I cannot see why that should reduce the analog output level. Good question for Denon!

Roger thanks for your quick response and taking the time to look at the A1 manual. In order for me to utilize the A1's speaker/bass management I have to set "Source Direct" to "Off" manual states "Off" = Enable speaker and sub-woofer settings & "on" = Output the disc content as is (page 29 in the A1's manual) and than I would use the SSP-800 for speaker/bass management. As for the volume increase when I leave the HDMI setting on "Auto vs. "Mute" I will ask Denon about that but I doubt that they will have an explanation. Actually I guess it really doesn't matter, it's just a matter of raising or lowering the volume as I don't detect any loss of quality either way. I figure since I have to select the Source Direct option anyway I might as well disengage the HDMI since I am not using it for audio and one less thing that might affect the audio quality.
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Roger thanks for your quick response and taking the time to look at the A1 manual. In order for me to utilize the A1's speaker/bass management I have to set "Source Direct" to "Off" manual states "Off" = Enable speaker and sub-woofer settings & "on" = Output the disc content as is (page 29 in the A1's manual) and than I would use the SSP-800 for speaker/bass management. As for the volume increase when I leave the HDMI setting on "Auto vs. "Mute" I will ask Denon about that but I doubt that they will have an explanation. Actually I guess it really doesn't matter, it's just a matter of raising or lowering the volume as I don't detect any loss of quality either way. I figure since I have to select the Source Direct option anyway I might as well disengage the HDMI since I am not using it for audio and one less thing that might affect the audio quality.

Regarding the above I now have also discovered that if under the HDMI setup under the audio setup (page 25 of the A1's manual if I choose "Multi LPCM BM Off" = (Decoded Linear PCM multi-channel signal is output by the A1). I take that to mean the A1 is doing the processing but not the speaker/bass management which will be done by the SSP-800. Anyway with that setup I also experience the hotter volume. So it might be just that when the SSP-800 is doing speaker/bass management it produces the higher volume output as opposed to when the A1 is doing it. Are there any advantages or disadvantages to going that route vs just having the SSP-800 do everything the decoding/processing and the speaker/bass management?
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If I use the cross over in the SSP-800 what should I do with the subs, how to disable the cross over in the subs, I was told to turn them to the max frequency!

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Originally Posted by wse View Post

If I use the cross over in the SSP-800 what should I do with the subs, how to disable the cross over in the subs, I was told to turn them to the max frequency!

That is correct. If using the crossover in the 800, then either disable or set to the max frequency, the crossover of your sub.
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Regarding the above I now have also discovered that if under the HDMI setup under the audio setup (page 25 of the A1's manual if I choose "Multi LPCM BM Off" = (Decoded Linear PCM multi-channel signal is output by the A1). I take that to mean the A1 is doing the processing but not the speaker/bass management which will be done by the SSP-800. Anyway with that setup I also experience the hotter volume. So it might be just that when the SSP-800 is doing speaker/bass management it produces the higher volume output as opposed to when the A1 is doing it. Are there any advantages or disadvantages to going that route vs just having the SSP-800 do everything the decoding/processing and the speaker/bass management?
If the A1 is doing bass management, it apparently reduces the level of the main channels rather than boosting the LFE. That makes sense. So if you can leave the bass management working for the analogs but not for the HDMI PCM, you'll have it made!

The advantage of deactivating the bass management in the A1 is that you can then use exactly the same setup for both PCM (SACD/DVD-A) as with bitstreamed sources (movies of any disc format).
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

If the A1 is doing bass management, it apparently reduces the level of the main channels rather than boosting the LFE. That makes sense. So if you can leave the bass management working for the analogs but not for the HDMI PCM, you'll have it made!

The advantage of deactivating the bass management in the A1 is that you can then use exactly the same setup for both PCM (SACD/DVD-A) as with bitstreamed sources (movies of any disc format).

Thanks again Roger. I am embarrassed to say that even though you don't own the Denon A1UDCI you understand the manual better than I do. I could just deactivate the bass management in the A1, but since on SACD I lose the audio resolution offered by SACD unless I go the m/c analog connection route and in this case I would need to turn "Source Direct Off" since this is the only way I can get speaker & bass management from my A1 since the SSP-800 cannot do it when using the analog connections.
Edited by mt14942 - 6/5/13 at 12:47pm
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I may have confused things by mentioning bass management for SACD/DVD-A via PCM over HDMI. I understand that is of little to no interest for your setup.

If you desire all m/c "PCM" sources to play via SSP's analog bypass, yes you must activate the bass management in the player. Then when you bitstream BDs, the SSP will take care of the bass management. You can leave "source direct" turned off, as it has no effect on bitstreaming. No need to fiddle with the player settings. Do I have that right?
post #5460 of 5778
Owners of the SSP-800 I am curious as to your findings and explanation. First of all Happy Memorial Day thank you to all those soldiers who keep our country safe!

So, here is my conundrum, I have been playing with calibration today, Since we added a new built in giant Cherry wood book case and a new av custom made rack made of solid Bubinga and Cherry . I used the following to set up the levels for each speakers!

- Internal SSP-800 pink noise
- AIX Calibration Blu ray disc
- THX Calibration Blu ray disc

None of them match? I calibrated first using the SSP-800 using pink noise. Calibrated all speakers to 75 db.

Then I try the discs and all the levels are different and even worst, all the speakers are at different levels!!!

What's going on? Any help would be appreciated, I don't know who to trust!
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