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Originally Posted by Sharp1080 View Post

When I owned my REL Stentor III I started with both the Neutrik connection for 2 channel and the RCA connection for my .1 signal. The REL was originally designed to connect to your amplifier using the supplied Neutrik connector to "mimic" the amplifier's sonic signature. Eventually after one week of careful comparison I ended up disconnecting the Neutrik connection and just using the RCA input. Not a big change noted in the playback. My biggest complaint was the under powered amp that I had to force them to send a replacement under warranty after the one in the subwoofer gave up. At that time Sumiko was the distributor, and the contact I dealt with knew nothing about the product as he tried to blame my Levinson 335 as the cause! Great sounding subwoofer for MUSIC. I replaced it with 2 JL Audio F113's and have never regretted my decision.

Thanks Sharp I do plan on experimenting with disconnecting the Hi-Level Neutrik connection when in full blown surround sound movie mode. I think for me the Rel sub I have works the best when I am just listening to 2-channel music but not so great for bluray action movies which is why I was thinking of adding a second sub that is maybe not a Rel.
post #5582 of 5778
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Originally Posted by mt14942 View Post

Thanks Roger for your thoughts. I guess I should just do some experimenting with the various setting options and just try to trust my slightly aging ears.
Sorry to keep adding confusion to this. But the primary way to operate the system for movies, according to REL, is exactly the same as for music. That means REL's "crossover" (their misuse of the term throws me off every time! -- It is not a crossover, it is just a low-pass filter), should be set to get the best splice with your main speakers' natural rolloff.

If you do that, and are happy with music, then the only thing that changes is the SSP will also use the ".1/LFE" input. (Again the wrong terminology. It is a subwoofer input, as it carries both LFE and redirected bass from the "small" speakers.)

The bass redirection crossover frequencies for the other speakers must be set as they require, just as in a normal 5.1 setup.
post #5583 of 5778
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Sorry to keep adding confusion to this. But the primary way to operate the system for movies, according to REL, is exactly the same as for music. That means REL's "crossover" (their misuse of the term throws me off every time! -- It is not a crossover, it is just a low-pass filter), should be set to get the best splice with your main speakers' natural rolloff.

If you do that, and are happy with music, then the only thing that changes is the SSP will also use the ".1/LFE" input. (Again the wrong terminology. It is a subwoofer input, as it carries both LFE and redirected bass from the "small" speakers.)

The bass redirection crossover frequencies for the other speakers must be set as they require, just as in a normal 5.1 setup.

Setting the sub has always been the most confusing process for me, right now I have my the crossover/low-pass filter in the SSP-800 set to 80, changed it from 60 awhile back. It seems to be the correct setting for my speakers (Vienna Acoustic Mozart Grands).
post #5584 of 5778
I am surprised not too much discussion is going on eek.gif. I just heard SSP-800 (HDMI 1.3) and WOW I was floored. IMHO it is a step up than Anthem D2 wrt sonics without any room correction applied. I thought it had more 'liquid' /smooth sonics for music- and dialog from center channel was more pleasant to listen to. I need to start saving to buy this piece - I think this is an outstanding value and great entry into 'hi-end'. Parametric EQ settings make this flexible and I will be seeking my audiophile buddy's help on room measurement next.
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Originally Posted by newb2012 View Post

I am surprised not too much discussion is going on eek.gif. I just heard SSP-800 (HDMI 1.3) and WOW I was floored. IMHO it is a step up than Anthem D2 wrt sonics without any room correction applied. I thought it had more 'liquid' /smooth sonics for music- and dialog from center channel was more pleasant to listen to. I need to start saving to buy this piece - I think this is an outstanding value and great entry into 'hi-end'. Parametric EQ settings make this flexible and I will be seeking my audiophile buddy's help on room measurement next.

There are a few for sale on AUDIOGON, yes the SSP-800 is a nice piece of kit!

I am waiting for the next generation?
post #5586 of 5778
I am waiting for the next generation?

Ummm...did hell freeze over, did I miss something? What next generation? No doubt Classe will have a replacement for the SSP-800, but I don't see that anytime soon. Well let me rephrase that, not anytime soon in real years, soon in Classe years might be possible. If it were me...I would not release any type of replacement for the SSP-800 until there were some clear reasons to do so. In particular the 4k vs. 8k video processing side of things. On the sound side of things there might be a few possibilities but Im not sure the costs to offer those possibilities is worth it?

At this point I don't see enough enhancements to warrant a replacement for the SSP-800. Am i missing something?

See Ya,
Steve
post #5587 of 5778
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Originally Posted by ClasseAddict View Post

I am waiting for the next generation? Ummm...did hell freeze over, did I miss something? What next generation? No doubt Classe will have a replacement for the SSP-800, but I don't see that anytime soon. Well let me rephrase that, not anytime soon in real years, soon in Classe years might be possible. If it were me...I would not release any type of replacement for the SSP-800 until there were some clear reasons to do so. In particular the 4k vs. 8k video processing side of things. On the sound side of things there might be a few possibilities but Im not sure the costs to offer those possibilities is worth it? At this point I don't see enough enhancements to warrant a replacement for the SSP-800. Am i missing something? See Ya, Steve

Yes I agree to some extend not worth changing until some thing revolutionary comes along!
- DTS MDS
- Dolby ATMOS
- AURO 9.1/ 11.1
- Great automatic calibration, LYNGDORF ROOM PERFECT, DIRAC any one!
- Ability to use the DACS with Computer Audio
- Better DACs
- HDMI 2.0
- 802 ac WIFI enabled with AirPlay
- An App to control it smile.gif

On the video side, I just need to be able to pass 4K or better 8K ( HDMi 2.0 should see to that) no video processing please keep it sound proof only smile.gif

That's my wish list, I agree unlikely that it will happen before 2015 or 2016 for some of those to even be considered so in the mean time save your $$$


Auro 9.1|10.1|11.1 content encoded into 5.1 LPCM is discrete not matrixed. There is complete channel separation--the trick to fitting 12 speaker channels into 6 LPCM channels appears to involve data complexity reduction through manipulation of "unimportant" bits below the substantive noise floor of the original recordings (allowing creation of "repeating bit strings" amenable to 'zipping type' processes?) In any event, there are already Auro 9.1 recordings available on Blu-ray (just no consumer decoders available to expand them from the 5.1 LPCM carrier tracks yet!) One example of what has been done with pureaudio (link) technology: SOUVENIR by TrondheimSolistene on the 2L label (link) offers significantly different (playback) versions of the same recordings, including five Auro 9.1 tracks (within an LPCM 5.1 carrier track), as the BD back cover shows:

SOUVENIR by TrondheimSolistene...

http://www.barco.com/projection_systems/downloads/Auro-3D_v3.pdf
Edited by wse - 8/6/13 at 6:04pm
post #5588 of 5778
Need some opinions on my SSP-800 in HT mode. I have a 5.2 channel setup that was completed today on some upgrades. My Classe Dealer is telling me in order to bi-amp my rear surrounds that I need to use a an XLR splitter or Y connector since the SSP-800 does not output a bi-amped signal for the rear speakers. It does do a bi amped output for the mains, and possibly the center. My concern is signal degrade by using a splitter, possibly nullifying any gain of bi-amping. I'm using a 5 channel amp for the rear and center channel.

What is the forums thoughts on this?

See Ya,
Steve
post #5589 of 5778
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Originally Posted by ClasseAddict View Post

Need some opinions on my SSP-800 in HT mode. I have a 5.2 channel setup that was completed today on some upgrades. My Classe Dealer is telling me in order to bi-amp my rear surrounds that I need to use a an XLR splitter or Y connector since the SSP-800 does not output a bi-amped signal for the rear speakers. It does do a bi amped output for the mains, and possibly the center. My concern is signal degrade by using a splitter, possibly nullifying any gain of bi-amping. I'm using a 5 channel amp for the rear and center channel. What is the forums thoughts on this? See Ya, Steve

I am using a custom made Mogami 25 feet Y Cable XLR so that I can have two pairs of back surround and back in ceiling speakers so when I put Dolby Prologic IIx, I have a 9.2 channel.

In addition, I am using also using a custom 3 feet Mogami Y XLR Cable so that I can have two subs fed the same input smile.gif
post #5590 of 5778
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I am using a custom made Mogami 25 feet Y Cable XLR so that I can have two pairs of back surround and back in ceiling speakers so when I put Dolby Prologic IIx, I have a 9.2 channel.

In addition, I am using also using a custom 3 feet Mogami Y XLR Cable so that I can have two subs fed the same input smile.gif

Does your custom cable use 1 source connection and then split into 2? I'm looking at having my XLR cables customized where it outputs from 1 connection with 2 cables.

See Ya,
Steve
post #5591 of 5778
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Originally Posted by ClasseAddict View Post

Does your custom cable use 1 source connection and then split into 2? I'm looking at having my XLR cables customized where it outputs from 1 connection with 2 cable.

Nope the connection comes straight from the XLR connector! I used the following

Custom Y XLR Male to XLR Female 25Feet

2 2534 PE Mogami W2534 Neglex Quad Mic Cable - one Purple & one Red
1 NC3FXX-EMC-B Neutrik NC3FXX-EMC-B EMI Protected 3 Pin Female XL
2 NC3MXX-EMC Neutrik NC3MXX-EMC EMI Protected 3 Pin Male XLR Si
post #5592 of 5778
Sorry for being off topic but I was hoping someone might have a suggestion regarding my recent problem. I have an outside antenna that I connect directly to my Pioneer Plasma Elite151FD so I can at-least watch my local stations when my satellite goes out due to inclement weather. The other day I decided scan to see if there were other stations available. I was able to pickup 10 additional stations but it got stuck on this one new station but there's no picture or sound and I can't change the channel. It's like it is stuck or frozen and I also have lost access to the part of the menu that would allow me to try to re-scan or fix the problem I can't even change the channels by going direct to the stations number. I have tried unplugging both the TV and also disconnecting the Antenna connection on the back of the TV. Has anyone ever had this happen to them and is there something I could do that might resolve the problem? I am not sure how much help I am going to get from Pioneer since they don't make TV's anymore?
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Perhaps a factory reset?

This and other info in this thread.
post #5594 of 5778
I tend to agree with Roger...try a factory reset. It appears one of the boards, in particular the tuner is locked up. You might try and get on a Pioneer forum and see if this is a known issue, also Google Pioneer TV wont change channels or locking up.

Good Luck!

See Ya,
Steve
post #5595 of 5778
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Perhaps a factory reset?

This and other info in this thread.

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Originally Posted by ClasseAddict View Post

I tend to agree with Roger...try a factory reset. It appears one of the boards, in particular the tuner is locked up. You might try and get on a Pioneer forum and see if this is a known issue, also Google Pioneer TV wont change channels or locking up.

Good Luck!

See Ya,
Steve

Thanks Gents for that info. My biggest question now is if I try that reset procedure and it works would that also eliminate my ISF calibration settings. I believe I have them written down so I might go for it.
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Just a quickie - I run a 5.2 system and currently use DolbyPrologic llx Movie as my 2 channel choice of modes .
I am aware that llx modes designed for 7.1/2 etc...is this any different to using plain Prologic ll for my 5.2 system , and if so , what should I be using ??
Think this is one for Roger to address - thanks Roger !
post #5597 of 5778
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Originally Posted by Alsof1 View Post

Just a quickie - I run a 5.2 system and currently use DolbyPrologic llx Movie as my 2 channel choice of modes .
I am aware that llx modes designed for 7.1/2 etc...is this any different to using plain Prologic ll for my 5.2 system , and if so , what should I be using ??
Think this is one for Roger to address - thanks Roger !
It's just that Classe is not tweaking the mode menu names to track whether the rear surrounds are used or not. The menu says PLIIx all the time, but "under the hood" it is in fact real PLII when a 5.x setup is being used.

You're doing the right thing. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

It's just that Classe is not tweaking the mode menu names to track whether the rear surrounds are used or not. The menu says PLIIx all the time, but "under the hood" it is in fact real PLII when a 5.x setup is being used.

You're doing the right thing. smile.gif
Okidoki - thanks for this info Mr D ......was just a bit confused in terms of what was actually happening as plain vanilla PL in the mode menu just did not sound as good as PLll x , but now all very clear .
post #5599 of 5778
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Originally Posted by Alsof1 View Post

Okidoki - thanks for this info Mr D ......was just a bit confused in terms of what was actually happening as plain vanilla PL in the mode menu just did not sound as good as PLll x , but now all very clear .
Yes, plain Pro Logic is an emulation of the original Pro Logic. Steers center like Movie mode, monos the rear channels and applies a 7 kHz low-pass filter. Avoiding all that is why PLII was born. wink.gif
post #5600 of 5778
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Yes, plain Pro Logic is an emulation of the original Pro Logic. Steers center like Movie mode, monos the rear channels and applies a 7 kHz low-pass filter. Avoiding all that is why PLII was born. wink.gif
Thanks Roger - noted that you were a Director at Dolby Labs for some 26 years directly involved in this development ....if you could not answer that one , no one could!!
Any more Dolby issues , I will be sure to shout in your direction .
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Question on Pro Logic llx. If I "remove" the centre speaker from a configuration and use Pro Logic llx with that configuration will the SSP-800 essentially steer all the Left and Right speaker info to the Left and Right speakers, and therefore not steer anything to the now removed centre speaker? In other words will the SSP-800 not apply the centre width dimension parameter to the steering of the audio signal? Does the software know the centre speaker is not available and therefore not use the width parameter in Pro Logic mode? I find without the centre speaker and using Dolby Prologic ll the soundstage in the front area expands and centers the vocals more accurately.
post #5602 of 5778
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Originally Posted by hipp View Post

Question on Pro Logic llx. If I "remove" the centre speaker from a configuration and use Pro Logic llx with that configuration will the SSP-800 essentially steer all the Left and Right speaker info to the Left and Right speakers, and therefore not steer anything to the now removed centre speaker? In other words will the SSP-800 not apply the centre width dimension parameter to the steering of the audio signal? Does the software know the centre speaker is not available and therefore not use the width parameter in Pro Logic mode? I find without the centre speaker and using Dolby Prologic ll the soundstage in the front area expands and centers the vocals more accurately.

In your set up you can tell your SSP-800 that you have no center channels and the sound will be directed to the L/R channels
post #5603 of 5778
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

In your set up you can tell your SSP-800 that you have no center channels and the sound will be directed to the L/R channels
Thanks
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Originally Posted by hipp View Post

Does the software know the centre speaker is not available and therefore not use the width parameter in Pro Logic mode? I find without the centre speaker and using Dolby Prologic ll the soundstage in the front area expands and centers the vocals more accurately.
Since you are talking about the Center Width parameter, the issue regards 2-ch sources.

Yes, PLII(x) knows there is no center speaker if it is deactivated in the speaker config menu. The result is exactly the same as if you set the Center Width control to Max. That might be the better option since it would not require creating another Config and calling it up. But either way is ok.

BTW, if you find phantom center more accurately located than when the C speaker is active, there's something odd happening. Is this happening when CW = 4 or 5?
post #5605 of 5778
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Since you are talking about the Center Width parameter, the issue regards 2-ch sources.

Yes, PLII(x) knows there is no center speaker if it is deactivated in the speaker config menu. The result is exactly the same as if you set the Center Width control to Max. That might be the better option since it would not require creating another Config and calling it up. But either way is ok.

BTW, if you find phantom center more accurately located than when the C speaker is active, there's something odd happening. Is this happening when CW = 4 or 5?

I was running CW at 3 or 4 I have always found a left bias with pro logic ll. thought it may be the room and the centre speaker reflecting off the wall giving a sense of the vocal being slightly left. Removing the centre speaker seems to improve that and the vocal image tends towards centre. I discovered the imaging difference when testing 2ch in pass through gave me a precise centre image.
post #5606 of 5778
In the final tweaking stages of the setup on the remodeled HT. only issue so far relates to my SSP-800 and CP-800 playing nice together. Sometimes to get my mains working when playing in HT mode, I have to turn the CP-800 off and back on to get it to work in Bypass mode. If you check out the info, it shows everything working but no sound. All other channels work normally via the SSP-800. Once I turn off and back on the CP-800 works fine too. No issues when listening to 2 channel only. Anybody encountered any issues like this on Classe gear?

. I have current updates on software/firmware. My dealer is talking to Classe about it. Everything's in warranty. System sounds over the top incredible. Will get photos posted soon. Not much has changed since the early photos, other than things are now tidy and in final positions.i ran some break in disc for 2 weeks 24/7 so everything is pretty broken in. The 800D's connected to the Omegas is a thing of beauty and performance that's honestly hard to describe. I have never heard anything like this with crisp, Crystal clear highs, and slap your face deep, tight bass. It's met all my expectations?

See Ya,
Steve
post #5607 of 5778
^^ It's apparently an issue with the CP-800, as the SSP-800 analog outs have no concern about what they drive.

When the CP-800 is not passing through the L/R of the SSP-800, are there any other sources into the CP-800 that also fail to work? Both of the analog and digital persuasion? You've tried the SSP with other of the analog inputs?
post #5608 of 5778
Roger-The only thing that does not work to my knowledge is when the CP-800 is in Bypass from SSP-800. It clearly shows its in Bypass on the screen of the CP-800, and it's XLR inputs. If using other sources to the CP-800 such as the CDP-502 via XLR it works fine. As stated...all it takes to fix is a quick off and back on of the CP-800 and then everything works. While the mans are not working, the center and surrounds are. I'm fairly sure it's a CP-800 issue. I posted it here because I'm sure there's a few members of this forum that have a SSP-800 and CP-800 like I do. Screen shots of whats going on and confirmation of software/firmware versions has been sent to Classe. Thanks for your input!

See Ya,
Steve

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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

^^ It's apparently an issue with the CP-800, as the SSP-800 analog outs have no concern about what they drive.

When the CP-800 is not passing through the L/R of the SSP-800, are there any other sources into the CP-800 that also fail to work? Both of the analog and digital persuasion? You've tried the SSP with other of the analog inputs?

Edited by ClasseAddict - 8/29/13 at 11:41am
post #5609 of 5778
Here's some system photos I promised. The only thing left to do is straighten up the cables, and a little surround speaker tweaking, not to be confused with twerking. smile.gif

See Ya,
SteveAppleMark
post #5610 of 5778
^^ Simply adore that collection of kit! What state is it in? I have to plan a trip.

As far as the mysterious muting, it would be useful to run a different analog source into the same XLR inputs just to 100% make sure it is not the SSP. I cannot see how, but it's an easy thing to confirm.

When you first turn on the system, try changing the sequence. Are they both being powered up together? Maybe a DC shift from the SSP is latching up something in the CP-800. Turn on the SSP several seconds before and after the CP. See if that does anything.
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