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post #31 of 4962
This TV makes me wish I waited a year to buy my TV for the next ten years. Anyone in Cleveland want to buy my 42" 7432D for $1300?

This looks like a real winner from Philips. The 7432D is still one of the best bang for the buck sets you can buy.
post #32 of 4962
I order the 42PFL7403d non ambient light version. This model will replace the 42PFL7422 for 2007 model. Will try to post picture when I got it.
post #33 of 4962
I am crossing my fingers that this is the set that makes me avoid buying a Samsung. I was set to purchase a Samsung 4671 BUT was warned by an authorized service tech (my mother in law works at service center) to avoid Samsung. I am now waiting for this set and the Series 6 from Samsung along with the new Toshiba line before making a final decision. Of the three sets I am waiting on this set by far has the best appearance and appears to have some killer specs, depending on the contrast ratio.
post #34 of 4962
These are the specs listed on the LG-Philips web site for their 100Hz/120Hz panels:

Model|Application|Color Depth|Contrast Ratio|Response Time [ms]
LC520WU2|TV 52 FHD Motion Blur Reduction Model (100/120Hz)|10bit|10000:1(Dynamic)|8(MPRT) / 5(GTG)
LC470WU2|TV 47 FHD Motion Blur Reduction Model (100/120Hz)|10bit|5000:1(Dynamic)|8(MPRT), 5(GTG)
LC420WU4|TV 42 FHD Motion Blur Reduction Model (100/120Hz)|10bit|5000:1|8(MPRT), 5(GTG)
LC420WX7-SLE1|TV 42 HD Motion Blur Reduction Model (100/120Hz)|10bit Dither|5000:1(Dynamic)|8(MPRT), 5(GTG)

I don't know for sure that these are the panels used in the Philips 7 series, but that's all there is, and the specs are consistent with those of the LG LBX series.

Philips' marketing may have been a little "creative" with the response time and contrast ratio numbers for the 5 and 7 series (they claim 29000:1 dynamic contrast ratio for the 5 series, so I assume the number for the 7 series won't be lower).
post #35 of 4962
Just open the catalog at the bottom of that page and you'll find the new models of LCD.

They are different with 15000:1 dynamic contrast.
post #36 of 4962
Spec for 42PFL7403D/27


Flat TV with Perfect Pixel HD 42PFL7403D/27
42" LCD Full HD 1080p
Specifications
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Picture/Display
Aspect ratio: Widescreen
Brightness: 500*cd/m²
Dynamic screen contrast: 29000:1
Response time (typical): 2*ms
Viewing angle (H*/*V): 176*/*176*degree
Diagonal screen size: 42 inch*/*107 cm*
Panel resolution: 1920x1080p
Picture enhancement: Pixel Plus 3 HD, 3/2 - 2/2 motion pull down, 3D Combfilter, Active Control + Light sensor, Dynamic contrast enhancement, Progressive Scan, 120Hz LCD, HD Natural Motion
Supported Display Resolution
Sound
Equalizer: 5-bands
Output power (RMS): 30W
Sound Enhancement: Incredible Surround
Sound System: Dolby Digital (AC-3), BBE
Loudspeakers
Built-in speakers: 2
Convenience
Child Protection: Child Lock+Parental Control
Clock: On main display, Sleep Timer
Ease of Installation: Autostore
Ease of Use: 4 favorite lists, Auto Volume Leveller (AVL), Channel list, Settings assistant Wizard
Remote Control: TV
Screen Format Adjustments: 4:3, Auto Format, Movie expand 14:9, Movie expand 16:9, Super Zoom, Widescreen, unscaled (1080p dot by dot)
Multimedia Applications
Multimedia connections: USB memory class device
Playback Formats: MP3, Slideshow files (.alb), JPEG Still pictures
Tuner/Reception/Transmission
Aerial Input: 75 ohm F-type
TV system: ATSC, NTSC
Video Playback: NTSC
Cable: Unscrambled Digital Cable -QAM
Tuner bands: Hyperband, S-Channel, UHF, VHF
Connectivity
AV 1: Audio L/R in, YPbPr
AV 2: Audio L/R in, YPbPr
AV 3: CVBS in, S-Video in
Front / Side connections: Audio L/R in, CVBS in, Headphone out, S-video in, USB, HDMI v1.3
Audio Output - Digital: Coaxial (cinch)
HDMI 1: HDMI v1.3
HDMI 2: HDMI v1.3
HDMI 3: Analog audio L/R in, HDMI v1.3
HDMI-control (CEC features): One touch play, Power status, System info (menu language), System standby
Power
Ambient temperature: 5 °C to 40 °C
Mains power: 90-240V, 50-60Hz
Power consumption: 240*W
Standby power consumption: < 1 W
Dimensions
Set dimensions in inch (W*x*H*x*D): 41.2*x*25.4*x*3.5*inch
Set dimensions with stand in inch (W*x*H*x*D): 41.2*x*28.2*x*10.32*inch
Weight incl. Packaging (lb): 68.92
Product weight (lb): 60.32 (with stand), 49.3 (without stand)
Box dimensions in inch (W*x*H*x*D): 45.31*x*31.22*x*13.11*inch
Accessories
Included Accessories: Tabletop swivel stand, Power cord, Quick start guide, User Manual, Registration card, Remote Control

Computer formats
Resolution
Refresh rate
640 x 480
60Hz
800 x 600
60Hz
1024 x 768
60Hz
1280 x 768
60Hz
1280 x 1024
60Hz
1360 x 768
60Hz
1920 x 1080i
60Hz
1920 x 1080p
60Hz
Video formats
Resolution
Refresh rate
480i
60Hz
480p
60Hz
720p
60Hz
1080i
60Hz
1080p
60Hz
post #37 of 4962
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Originally Posted by SM7383 View Post

I order the 42PFL7403d non ambient light version. This model will replace the 42PFL7422 for 2007 model. Will try to post picture when I got it.

Has production actually started? Does this mean they will be showing up in stores in the next few weeks, or is it still April/May?
post #38 of 4962
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Originally Posted by GadgetFreak View Post

Has production actually started? Does this mean they will be showing up in stores in the next few weeks, or is it still April/May?

I thought they were coming out in March??
post #39 of 4962
You should see these set in Store by March.
post #40 of 4962
i notice the 2ms response time, but will the new Philips use s-ips panel?
post #41 of 4962
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Originally Posted by SM7383 View Post

Spec for 42PFL7403D/27


Dynamic screen contrast: 29000:1
Response time (typical): 2*ms

Nice, a higher contrast ratio than the Samsung 71 series. Which imho has the deepest blacks out of any LCD out now.
post #42 of 4962
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Originally Posted by wtfer View Post

Nice, a higher contrast ratio than the Samsung 71 series. Which imho has the deepest blacks out of any LCD out now.

You can't really go by just numbers, I am curious myself to see the blacks on this TV, b/c the current Phillips has fairly weak blacks, imo.
post #43 of 4962
Damn....i was about to get a Samsung 5271 this weekend but after reading some of the issues maybe I should wait for this new Philips.

Sucks that of the three models the 52" version comes out last. After doing all this research and looking at a bunch of TVs at BB and CC I'm all hyped up to get one and am not sure if I can wait over 2 months for a TV that isn't for sure better then the Samsung
post #44 of 4962
Here are some picture I found
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post #45 of 4962
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Originally Posted by Lucky Strike View Post

Damn....i was about to get a Samsung 5271 this weekend but after reading some of the issues maybe I should wait for this new Philips.

Sucks that of the three models the 52" version comes out last. After doing all this research and looking at a bunch of TVs at BB and CC I'm all hyped up to get one and am not sure if I can wait over 2 months for a TV that isn't for sure better then the Samsung

I had the Samsung 5271 for a few days and I am willing to wait 2 or 3 months for the new 52" Philips.

My 5271 had cloudy areas on the screen, motion artifacts with fast moving objects, weird pixelization around people's mouths with SD content (my wife complained of this one), and horrible glare issues with the screen.

I could have probably gotten used to all of these flaws except for the glossy screen. Even with blinds on all of my windows, I could see my reflection in the screen when dark scenes were displayed. The TV is bright enough to light up the entire room anyway, so it didn't matter if I had blinds on my windows or not. I would recommend not buying the 5271 if reflections on the screen may bother you. In the official thread for the 5271, everyone said the glossy screen was not a problem at all. Well, it WAS a major issue with me. That's why it went back to the store, and I am now in a holding pattern.
post #46 of 4962
I was all set to buy a sony w4100 series tv when they come out this spring, but this tv has really caught my attention. The specs are truly impressive.
post #47 of 4962
Yup any more info on it?
post #48 of 4962
Phillips 7403.......Samsung Series 6............Toshiba 550................... Why are things so difficult? One part of me wants two of these three sets to suck, making my buying decision easy. The other part of me wants them all to kick ass so I can continue to drive myself crazy making a decision. I hope they have ironed the kinks out with these new models.
post #49 of 4962
Does it support 1080p24? Also will the component inputs support 1080p60?

Support for 1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p50, and 1080p60 in HDTV mode - see manual page 25.

The component inputs support 1080p24 to 1080p60 - see manual page 38.

Has everything it would seem, nice!
post #50 of 4962
I would stick with the Samsung. The Philips may have some good specs and smooth motion, but if it is like any other Philips it will probably break in a month and have poor picture quality. Just my observation on Philips TV's.
post #51 of 4962
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Originally Posted by n1ghtpr0w1er View Post

The Samsung 5271 that I had for a few days came close in this regard, but the reflective screen was a horrible thing to include on an LCD set. The blacks were fantastic on this TV but I could also see my reflection in those blacks.

Does anyone know what kind of screen will be on this new Philips line? I think the clear glossy screen on the Samsung 71f series is partly responsible for the deep blacks. The 65f series also has this type of clear glass-like screen and when compared to the 61f series (which has a matte screen) has deeper blacks but also is highly reflective. Just wondering what kind of screen the new Philips line has.
post #52 of 4962
The response time of 2ms is taken using the perceived blur-edge-width method. I don't know if this is good or bad although googling the term brought up an interesting article on the technique which is being touted by an advocates group for plasma technology of all things. It seems that this method demonstrates plasma's inherent advantage or so claims the committee of maintaining it's resolution during motion. Philips' choice to measure their LCD panel in this manner must be a good thing then me thinks.
post #53 of 4962
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Originally Posted by wtfer View Post

Nice, a higher contrast ratio than the Samsung 71 series. Which imho has the deepest blacks out of any LCD out now.

I would agree with you but the sammy in sony's crush black's in other words even though the blacks are dark there's alot of detail lost in darker sceense. I think sharp has the best black's i dont no about the 62u's or the 64u's but my old 92u had crazy black detail in my 94u is even better only by a hair. anyway's these new phillips look dam good on paper in will have to wait in see dudes.
post #54 of 4962
Heres another impressions article of it from CES, I can't post the www because I have not posted enough.
switched.com/2008/01/10/hands-on-with-philips-new-dream-hd-lcd-tv
post #55 of 4962
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Originally Posted by edogg_23 View Post

Heres another impressions article of it from CES, I can't post the www because I have not posted enough.
switched.com/2008/01/10/hands-on-with-philips-new-dream-hd-lcd-tv

That sounds very good.
post #56 of 4962
[quote=OreoJoe;13189884]47pfl7403d_27_dfu_aen.pdf owners manual now on Philips website.

so OreoJoe, do you have any experience with Philips LCDs? I've been trolling the Samsung 71F forum much like yourself. i have money i want to spend on a LCD tv, but couldnt justify purchasing the 71F cuz of all of the problems. i love the effect of AMP, and and i'm thinking about the new Samsung 6000 series but i have my reservations. Philips really stood out at CES this year and the specs on the 7000 series looks promising. i just never hear about Philips and LCDs so i have my reservations. any thoughts? sheesh i'm so confused. i just want a tv with a really good picture, no studder, smearing, clouding, tbe, mbe, etc, and one that lasts. my 10 year old 27" magnavox has treated me extremely well with NO issues. I would love to replicate that experience with an LCD. all i hear are horror stories unfortunately.
post #57 of 4962
One thing that has me confused about this tv is that it says it has the Perfect Pixel HD Engine but then when you look at the specs for the tv it says it has the Pixel Plus 3 HD engine which is the older engine. The Perfect Pixel HD Engine has 10xs the proecessing power than pixel plus 3 hd. So what gives? Is this just a typo or is the pixel plus 3 hd engine really going to be in these tvs which would seem like a step back from the current phillips lcds which user Perfect Pixel HD.
post #58 of 4962
Quote:
Originally Posted by edogg_23 View Post

One thing that has me confused about this tv is that it says it has the Perfect Pixel HD Engine but then when you look at the specs for the tv it says it has the Pixel Plus 3 HD engine which is the older engine. The Perfect Pixel HD Engine has 10xs the proecessing power than pixel plus 3 hd. So what gives? Is this just a typo or is the pixel plus 3 hd engine really going to be in these tvs which would seem like a step back from the current phillips lcds which user Perfect Pixel HD.

I just looked at the specs for the 42" model and it clearly states "Perfect Pixel HD". In fact I couldn't find any mention of Pixel Plus 3 HD. Anyway I hope it's the newer chip.
post #59 of 4962
[quote=superde1uxe;13210767]
Quote:
Originally Posted by OreoJoe View Post

47pfl7403d_27_dfu_aen.pdf owners manual now on Philips website.

so OreoJoe, do you have any experience with Philips LCDs? I've been trolling the Samsung 71F forum much like yourself. i have money i want to spend on a LCD tv, but couldnt justify purchasing the 71F cuz of all of the problems. i love the effect of AMP, and and i'm thinking about the new Samsung 6000 series but i have my reservations. Philips really stood out at CES this year and the specs on the 7000 series looks promising. i just never hear about Philips and LCDs so i have my reservations. any thoughts? sheesh i'm so confused. i just want a tv with a really good picture, no studder, smearing, clouding, tbe, mbe, etc, and one that lasts. my 10 year old 27" magnavox has treated me extremely well with NO issues. I would love to replicate that experience with an LCD. all i hear are horror stories unfortunately.

I second superde1uxe's thoughts here. I, too, am in the market for a 52" LCD, and while my attention is currently centered on the new Toshibas (which will supposedly be released within the next month or so... the XF550), I am always open to alternatives. I didn't get to go to CES this year so I couldn't see the televisions for myself or ask any questions. I wonder if this Philips might be worth considering seeing as it also is supposed to launch next month, and the specs look at least as promising as that of the Toshiba.

I really also just want a set that works. My needs probably rank as follows:

1) Picture quality/contrast/brightness
2) Audio performance
3) 120 hz performance/accuracy

Matte screen is implied here as my room is very bright. Also, of course, I want something that is probably reliable.

Any honest insight is much appreciated.

~os
post #60 of 4962
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Originally Posted by imws View Post

I just looked at the specs for the 42" model and it clearly states "Perfect Pixel HD". In fact I couldn't find any mention of Pixel Plus 3 HD. Anyway I hope it's the newer chip.

If you look under the techincal specifications its the very first thing mentioned under picture enhancement. I emailed philips I will let you know what I hear. Below are the specs I am talking about.

Perfect Pixel HD Engine offers the unique combination of ultimate sharpness, natural detail, vivid colors and smooth natural motion on all qualities of HD, standard TV signals and multimedia content, for high definition displays. Each pixel of the incoming picture is enhanced to better match the surrounding pixels, resulting in a more natural picture. Artifacts and noise in all sources from multimedia to standard TV and also in highly compressed HD content are detected and reduced ensuring that the picture is clean and razor sharp.
Full HD LCD display, with a 1920x1080p resolution
The Full HD screen has the widescreen resolution of 1920 x 1080p. This is the highest resolution of HD sources for the best possible picture quality. It is fully future proof as it supports 1080p signals from all sources, including the most recent like Blu-ray and advanced HD game consoles. The signal processing is extensively upgraded to support this much higher signal quality and resolution. It produces brilliant flicker-free progressive scan pictures with superb brightness and colors.

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HD Natural Motion for ultra smooth motion in Full HD movies
Philips invented HD Natural Motion to eliminate juddering effects that are visible with movie based picture content. HD Natural Motion estimates motion in the picture and corrects juddering movements in both broadcast and recorded movie material (such as DVD and Blu-ray Disc). The resulting smooth motion reproduction and excellent sharpness take the viewing experience to a higher level. HD Natural Motion removes judder from SD and HD pictures, including 1080p, for a motion performance that surpasses the cinema!
120Hz Clear LCD, 2ms performance for superb motion sharpness
120Hz Clear LCD creates extreme motion sharpness for clear and vibrant images even with fast on-screen motion. The Double Frame Rate Insertion works with a high 120Hz refresh rate. It increases the sharpness of motion reproduction to more than twice that of conventional LCD, resulting in a response time of 2 milliseconds (measured in Perceived Blur-Edge-Width; BEW). This unique Philips technology brings motion sharpness of LCD displays to an unprecedented level.

ATSC & QAM tuner receives over the air and unscrambled cable
Built-in ATSC & QAM tuner for reception of over-the-air and unscrambled HD cable programs
Invisible speakers with incredible surround
An invisible sound system that blends perfectly with the design of the cabinet. The Incredible Surround allows you to experience total surround with greater depth and width of sound. It gives a clear and spacious sound stage complementary to the rich viewing experience.

30 watt with BBE for powerful sound and great voice clarity
BBE high definition sound is the core sound enhancement technology (licensed by BBE Sound) that will enable you to experience real natural music, speech intelligibility with rich and clear audible vocals.
4 HDMI inputs for full digital HD connection in one cable
HDMI makes an uncompressed digital RGB connection from the source to the screen for the ultimate picture quality. HDMI intelligently communicates the highest output resolution with the source device. The HDMI input is fully backward compatible with DVI sources and includes digital audio. HDMI uses HDCP copy protection. With 3 HDMI inputs on the back and 1 HDMI on the side of the TV you can connect multiple HD sources, for instance an HD settop box, a Blu-ray player, and game console or digital Camcorder. Your TV is fully prepared for the HD future.

EasyLink: easy control of TV & connected device via HDMI CEC
EasyLink uses the HDMI CEC industry standard protocol to share functionality between connected devices and the TV. With Easylink only one remote control is needed to operate main functionalities on your TV and connected devices. EasyLink uses the standard HDMI cable to transfer system commands. It works between all electronic devices equipped with HDMI CEC.
Settings assistant for effortless personalized TV settings
Settings assistant for effortless personalized TV settings. The new settings assistant personalisation wizard guides you to personalised settings with unparalleled ease. It includes not only picture, but the complete viewing experience, including sound and Ambilight settings. The wizard shows a few screens with easy to choose options to select the essential settings. The TV performance is set to the your personal preference without difficult terms or settings, and this very quickly.

Dolby Digital output for connection to a home theatre system
Dolby Digital output for connection to a home theatre system
Technical specifications
Picture/Display
Aspect ratio Widescreen
Brightness 500 cd/m²
Dynamic screen contrast 29000:1
Response time (typical) 2 ms
Diagonal screen size (inch) 42 inch
Diagonal screen size (metric) 107 cm
Panel resolution 1920x1080p
Picture enhancement Pixel Plus 3 HD , 3/2 - 2/2 motion pull down , 3D Combfilter , Active Control + Light sensor , Dynamic contrast enhancement , Progressive Scan , 120Hz LCD , HD Natural Motion
Viewing angle (horizontal) 176 degree
Viewing angle (vertical) 176 degree
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