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post #1621 of 4430
Just installed TMT plus the latest updates and so far I am very pleased, with the one exception that really is a nuisance. When I play TS files that I know have a DD 5.1 or DTS track, I always have to go into the Audio setup and select S/PDIF. Close it down and exit the program will not remember the S/PDIF setting for audio but will go back to 2 channel settings.

Has anyone else found a solution for this and how to make S/PDIF the default for the audio TAB in the setup settings?

Also when I am using the ArcSoft Audio Decoder HD as an external filter in MPC HC it again will not remember the S/PDIF setting but revert to 2 channel settings when opening MPC HC after exiting.

Any help is very much appreciated.
post #1622 of 4430
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Originally Posted by Tinker View Post

I use both TMT and PDVD 7.3. But mainly I use PDVD (with xloibby) now since TMT has some issues with playing edited HD DVD files and edited ISO and still some lingering audio probms on some setups. PDVD 7.3 4102 seems to be working 100% with edited HD DVD movies and resulting ISO, thats why I am using it now over TMT for ISO. TMT doesnt seem to play SD DVD s well as PDVD but neither even close to zoomplayer/purevideo/ffdshow combo for SD DVD.

I had these issues with TMT when I first tried it. I figured out the following:

- ISO images for HD-DVD have to be at least version 2.50 (or 2.60 to be fully compliant) -- no particular ISO version requirement for Blu-ray;

- Edited HD-DVDs were problematic if you set title duration to 00:00:00:00 (which works with PowerDVD); change to 00:00:00:01 and they work fine;


To answer mknet's question #4:

- Won't load the menu on Becoming Jane BD - had to strip it to the bare movie to play; everything else I tried with it worked;

- Reasonably integrated into Vista Media Center;

- Menu key brings the popup menu in Blu-ray (PowerDVD takes to the top menu);

- No audio drops on seamless (what irony) branching BDs unlike with PowerDVD;

- Once you replace the ugly chic PowerDVD skin, you wish TMT were skinnable so you can remove the intro (much more professional looking, but still annoying);

- Doesn't downconvert to SPDIF, nor does it access the hidden DD track on some BDs, like The Fifth Element

I'm still using PowerDVD, but that's about to change very soon.
post #1623 of 4430
Thank for your answer. Sounds pretty good. I just need to make sure the quality of TMT's directhsow filters matches Powerdvd 8's. I currently depend on a good set of hardware accelerated H.264 and mpeg2 DS decoders with respective splitters provided by PDVD 8 to playback lots of video clips in WMP11 and MPC.

I've never had any problems with PowerDVD for any HD-DVD or Blu-ray discs; even with multi-branched discs and BD Live.

At least for right now, I dont have any reasons yet to switch; but, I'm itching to switch to TMT the minute Cyberlink takes another step backwards or TMT offers a significant feature that I need.

I would have switched a while back if I was forced to use PowerDVD 8's horrible player; the Reloaded addon at least fixed many issues for me.

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Originally Posted by DJ79 View Post

I had these issues with TMT when I first tried it. I figured out the following:

- ISO images for HD-DVD have to be at least version 2.50 (or 2.60 to be fully compliant) -- no particular ISO version requirement for Blu-ray;

- Edited HD-DVDs were problematic if you set title duration to 00:00:00:00 (which works with PowerDVD); change to 00:00:00:01 and they work fine;


To answer mknet's question #4:

- Won't load the menu on Becoming Jane BD - had to strip it to the bare movie to play; everything else I tried with it worked;

- Reasonably integrated into Vista Media Center;

- Menu key brings the popup menu in Blu-ray (PowerDVD takes to the top menu);

- No audio drops on seamless (what irony) branching BDs unlike with PowerDVD;

- Once you replace the ugly chic PowerDVD skin, you wish TMT were skinnable so you can remove the intro (much more professional looking, but still annoying);

- Doesn't downconvert to SPDIF, nor does it access the hidden DD track on some BDs, like The Fifth Element

I'm still using PowerDVD, but that's about to change very soon.
post #1624 of 4430
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Originally Posted by DJ79 View Post

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- No audio drops on seamless (what irony) branching BDs unlike with PowerDVD;

-.

I use to have drops with the older versions of PDVD but seems to be fixed with 4102 (last version of 7.3). Ratatouille no longer has the drops.

reverting some edited ISO to files and see if the changing start 00 to 01 works for the size reduced movies.
post #1625 of 4430
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Originally Posted by Tinker View Post

I use both TMT and PDVD 7.3. But mainly I use PDVD (with xloibby) now since TMT has some issues with playing edited HD DVD files and edited ISO and still some lingering audio probms on some setups. PDVD 7.3 4102 seems to be working 100% with edited HD DVD movies and resulting ISO, thats why I am using it now over TMT for ISO. TMT doesnt seem to play SD DVD s well as PDVD but neither even close to zoomplayer/purevideo/ffdshow combo for SD DVD.

I never got as far as doing ISO's for playback of HD-DVD from HDD with PDVD 7.3 as it was a simple matter to copy some program files from 3319a to facilitate the above as far as 3730d. I could not however get this to work with 4102 when attempting playback of an unedited HD-DVD or by modified XPL.

Playback of HD-DVD with TMT by modified XPL has worked with every HD-DVD feature I have played.
post #1626 of 4430
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Originally Posted by drsmithdtv View Post

I never got as far as doing ISO's for playback of HD-DVD from HDD with PDVD 7.3 as it was a simple matter to copy some program files from 3319a to facilitate the above as far as 3730d. I could not however get this to work with 4102 when attempting playback of an unedited HD-DVD or by modified XPL.

Playback of HD-DVD with TMT by modified XPL has worked with every HD-DVD feature I have played.

My exp is the exact opposite. PDVD 7.3 4102 works with all my mod'd HD DVD XPL ISO format movies. With 4102 file playback files doe not work from HDD but ISO work. I just finish converting (long process...) 200+ HDM from files to ISOs so I dont think I will re-rip them again to files since PDVD 7.3 4102 is working fine for me. Now both the HD DVD and BD movies are ISO, it makes it easier to mount and launch using xLobby. TMT does not work for me with most of my mod'd XPL HD DVD movies for files and ISO. A very few (couple) does work but the majority doesnt . Tried the start 00 fix and it didnt work.
post #1627 of 4430
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Originally Posted by DJ79 View Post

- Doesn't downconvert to SPDIF, nor does it access the hidden DD track on some BDs, like The Fifth Element

I ran into this last night and it was VERY annoying. I assume the fix is to just switch to analog outs?
post #1628 of 4430
My fix was to reauthor it to expose the hidden DD track; kept the menus and everything.
post #1629 of 4430
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Originally Posted by Tinker View Post

My exp is the exact opposite. PDVD 7.3 4102 works with all my mod'd HD DVD XPL ISO format movies. With 4102 file playback files doe not work from HDD but ISO work. I just finish converting (long process...) 200+ HDM from files to ISOs so I dont think I will re-rip them again to files since PDVD 7.3 4102 is working fine for me. Now both the HD DVD and BD movies are ISO, it makes it easier to mount and launch using xLobby. TMT does not work for me with most of my mod'd XPL HD DVD movies for files and ISO. A very few (couple) does work but the majority doesnt . Tried the start 00 fix and it didnt work.

No need to re-rip, just copy from ISO, make a modification if necessary, and make another ISO with UDF 2.60. Not sure what you were trying to achieve with your XPL edits, and why that change didn't work. This is what I was doing:

- remove first play title and everything before the main menu
- if Play from the main menu takes you to warnings, then edit the warnings title to titleDuration="00:00:00:00" and set its next title (onEnd="") to the main movie, so the warnings were effectively skipped

TMT didn't like this zero-length thing, and it just flashed when you choose Play from the menu. If you go to Scenes and choose the first scene instead, then everything worked fine. Changing the above to "00:00:00:01" took care of that issue. I'm not sure if this is what you were trying to do.

In the meantime, I started playing with aca files and HDi authoring, and I was able to do much cooler things (like combining the four Planet Earth discs into one), so I just edit the main menu script to go directly to the movie. Next project is to convert some Blu-ray BD-J titles to HDi.
post #1630 of 4430
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Originally Posted by DJ79 View Post

No need to re-rip, just copy from ISO, make a modification if necessary, and make another ISO with UDF 2.60. Not sure what you were trying to achieve with your XPL edits, and why that change didn't work. This is what I was doing:

- remove first play title and everything before the main menu
- if Play from the main menu takes you to warnings, then edit the warnings title to titleDuration="00:00:00:00" and set its next title (onEnd="") to the main movie, so the warnings were effectively skipped

TMT didn't like this zero-length thing, and it just flashed when you choose Play from the menu. If you go to Scenes and choose the first scene instead, then everything worked fine. Changing the above to "00:00:00:01" took care of that issue. I'm not sure if this is what you were trying to do.

In the meantime, I started playing with aca files and HDi authoring, and I was able to do much cooler things (like combining the four Planet Earth discs into one), so I just edit the main menu script to go directly to the movie. Next project is to convert some Blu-ray BD-J titles to HDi.

What I did with the mod'd XPL was removing everything except the Movie and selected sound track. Movie just launches with no menu or anything else. But what the heck, I have a working solution for now so no biggie...thanx anyway
post #1631 of 4430
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Originally Posted by mkanet View Post

Thank for your answer. Sounds pretty good. I just need to make sure the quality of TMT's directhsow filters matches Powerdvd 8's. I currently depend on a good set of hardware accelerated H.264 and mpeg2 DS decoders with respective splitters provided by PDVD 8 to playback lots of video clips in WMP11 and MPC.

At least for right now, I dont have any reasons yet to switch; but, I'm itching to switch to TMT the minute Cyberlink takes another step backwards or TMT offers a significant feature that I need.

You may want to choose the cautious approach on this as I just installed TMT and it screwed up all my audio installations. Their Newb programmers grabbed all the audio extension and forced VMC & WMP to use the ArcSoft Audio Decoder HD which does not properly decode DD 5.1 tracks from capped Transport Streams, whether it is h.264 or MPEG2.

Also as you can see in my above post the S/PDIF does not stick and has to be set every time after you exit. So they got a decent video implementation but totally blow it with their audio decoding.
post #1632 of 4430
Well, the good news is that you dont have to use it's audio decoder. Its very easy to override the merit value defined to the audio decoder when installing TMT so you can use another audio decoder in WMP (such as AC3 Filter).

Below, is the most popular tool to change the behavior you're complaining about:

RadLight Filter Manager 1.5

...just change the merit value of TMT audio decoder to whatever it is to 00200000. The audio filter you can change is listed under "DirectShow Filters"


So.. is that the only thing wrong? Will TMT video decoders handle popular H.264 formats and play them back with hardware acceleration using Nvidia GPUs?

Thanks,
Michael

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Originally Posted by one_2go View Post

You may want to choose the cautious approach on this as I just installed TMT and it screwed up all my audio installations. Their Newb programmers grabbed all the audio extension and forced VMC & WMP to use the ArcSoft Audio Decoder HD which does not properly decode DD 5.1 tracks from capped Transport Streams, whether it is h.264 or MPEG2.

Also as you can see in my above post the S/PDIF does not stick and has to be set every time after you exit. So they got a decent video implementation but totally blow it with their audio decoding.
post #1633 of 4430
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Originally Posted by DJ79 View Post

No need to re-rip, just copy from ISO, make a modification if necessary, and make another ISO with UDF 2.60. Not sure what you were trying to achieve with your XPL edits, and why that change didn't work. This is what I was doing:

- remove first play title and everything before the main menu
- if Play from the main menu takes you to warnings, then edit the warnings title to titleDuration="00:00:00:00" and set its next title (onEnd="") to the main movie, so the warnings were effectively skipped

TMT didn't like this zero-length thing, and it just flashed when you choose Play from the menu. If you go to Scenes and choose the first scene instead, then everything worked fine. Changing the above to "00:00:00:01" took care of that issue. I'm not sure if this is what you were trying to do.

In the meantime, I started playing with aca files and HDi authoring, and I was able to do much cooler things (like combining the four Planet Earth discs into one), so I just edit the main menu script to go directly to the movie. Next project is to convert some Blu-ray BD-J titles to HDi.

I strip the XPL to main movie playback. Menu's and chapters all gone. This also has the advantage of saving disc space as the menu EVO's are no longer needed.

For HD-DVD's like Planet Earth with multiple episodes on each disc I created individual XPL's for every episode. The individual episodes could then each be played like a movie with TMT or PDVD.
post #1634 of 4430
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Originally Posted by drsmithdtv View Post

I strip the XPL to main movie playback. Menu's and chapters all gone. This also has the advantage of saving disc space as the menu EVO's are no longer needed.

For HD-DVD's like Planet Earth with multiple episodes on each disc I created individual XPL's for every episode. The individual episodes could then each be played like a movie with TMT or PDVD.

does tmt have issues with subtitles and modded xpl files like pdvd does? I'm just starting to strip my hd-dvds by editing the xpl and I ran into this issue with pdvd last night.

makes me want to sell all my hd-dvds and re buy them in blu-ray!
post #1635 of 4430
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Originally Posted by drsmithdtv View Post

I strip the XPL to main movie playback. Menu's and chapters all gone. This also has the advantage of saving disc space as the menu EVO's are no longer needed.

For HD-DVD's like Planet Earth with multiple episodes on each disc I created individual XPL's for every episode. The individual episodes could then each be played like a movie with TMT or PDVD.

That's interesting, but you end up with 11 discs, and you can't easily go from one episode to another. With my method you have one huge title (>9 hrs) and 55 chapters, instantaneous chapter changes and menus and all. This is what it looks like (edited in the meantime to show all 11 episodes, but I can't mess with pictures now):





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Originally Posted by Derek K. View Post

does tmt have issues with subtitles and modded xpl files like pdvd does? I'm just starting to strip my hd-dvds by editing the xpl and I ran into this issue with pdvd last night.

makes me want to sell all my hd-dvds and re buy them in blu-ray!

I'm not aware of any issues with subtitles in either program, it could well be the XPL edit.
post #1636 of 4430
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Originally Posted by DJ79 View Post

I'm not aware of any issues with subtitles in either program, it could well be the XPL edit.

the issue I ran into is the subtitles are always on. The recommended solution I've seen is to remove the subtitletrack references in the primaryaudiovideoclip tag.
post #1637 of 4430
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Originally Posted by mkanet View Post

So.. is that the only thing wrong? Will TMT video decoders handle popular H.264 formats and play them back with hardware acceleration using Nvidia GPUs?

Thanks,
Michael

Thanks for the link to the DS filter manager. I did set the merit of the 3 Audio Decoders to Do not use (000000) didn't restart the PC but it still used them in WMP. The audio was the most annoying part, it really mucked up all my audio installation because it grabbed all the priorities of every single audio decoder. Very Newb programmers if you ask me.

As far DXVA I am using an ATI card hd3650 and it does display that it accelerates, but have no clue about NVidea. I would go to the forum at www.arcsoft.com under the Total Media Theater sub forum you most likely find your answer. This is where I found out the hassle with not having S/PDIF sticking and always revering back to 2 channel mode.

In the meantime I uninstalled it and got all my sound back the way I wanted it. I am waiting until they release a version that doesn't step at installation all over existing apps and installations.
post #1638 of 4430
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Originally Posted by DJ79 View Post

That's interesting, but you end up with 11 discs, and you can't easily go from one episode to another. With my method you have one huge title (>9 hrs) and 55 chapters, instantaneous chapter changes and menus and all.

For episode navigation I use a bluetooth mouse within TMT's (or PDVD's) movie file browser. That being said what you have done is much more polished while mine is a simple and more basic modification.

With regard to subtitles I remove all subtitle references from the XPL file. A problem I have encountered with this however is where subtitles are a critical part of a movie as none are displayed.

With respect to this type of editability it's unfortunate that HD-DVD lost the format war.
post #1639 of 4430
Noticed that the new product page has no HD-DVD logo. So Arcsoft dropping HD-DVD support like PDVD?
post #1640 of 4430
I hope not. I have a pretty large collection of HD DVD, so HD DVD support is one of the main reasons I use TMT. Those who use it should let Arcsoft know that it needs to remain.

Vern
post #1641 of 4430
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Originally Posted by Knight_Rider View Post

Noticed that the new product page has no HD-DVD logo. So Arcsoft dropping HD-DVD support like PDVD?

wow. I wonder if it will still play them, but they just won't support it. I didn't see a new version available.
post #1642 of 4430
Does someone have their ArcSoft TMT handy, can they please check the EXACT info version and post it? I just need any exact version # , to place an inquiry with their help website.

EDIT: Nevermind, found a useable version somewhere else.
post #1643 of 4430
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Originally Posted by Knight_Rider View Post

Noticed that the new product page has no HD-DVD logo. So Arcsoft dropping HD-DVD support like PDVD?

Just sent in an email to their Customer Support, inquiring about this. If they are removing support for HD-DVD, I am going to demand my money back.
post #1644 of 4430
First off NO Fanboy here just one that wants to have maximum enjoyment from HD Content. The present discs in HD-DVD format plus perhaps a few additional ones is all that she wrote. It therefore makes no sense for a software player to have code attached that supports a disc format which only is in the hands of a few. As much as I hated to see HD-DVD go it is now a business decision by ArcSoft and I for one rather hope they put their programming efforts into BD, TS & MKV playback rather then HD-DVD.

All HD-DVD owners will have to find alternative playback solutions and there are numerous options.

1. Convert the HD-DVDs to BD there are several guides helping with this.
2. Strip everything except your favorite audio track and subs. Then play the single file in your favorite player.
3. Pick up a HD-DVD player very cheap on eBay if you want the menus and other extras of the discs.
4. Keep an old version of PWDVD like 3319 to play back HD-DVDs. Should not have any problems as development of HD-DVDs has ceased.

I hated to see the competition go but I am moving on and since BD is the surviving optical disc format, I would like to see companies that have players put there R & D into BD, TS & MKV playback.
post #1645 of 4430
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Originally Posted by one_2go View Post

First off NO Fanboy here just one that wants to have maximum enjoyment from HD Content. The present discs in HD-DVD format plus perhaps a few additional ones is all that she wrote. It therefore makes no sense for a software player to have code attached that supports a disc format which only is in the hands of a few. As much as I hated to see HD-DVD go it is now a business decision by ArcSoft and I for one rather hope they put their programming efforts into BD, TS & MKV playback rather then HD-DVD.

All HD-DVD owners will have to find alternative playback solutions and there are numerous options.

1. Convert the HD-DVDs to BD there are several guides helping with this.
2. Strip everything except your favorite audio track and subs. Then play the single file in your favorite player.
3. Pick up a HD-DVD player very cheap on eBay if you want the menus and other extras of the discs.
4. Keep an old version of PWDVD like 3319 to play back HD-DVDs. Should not have any problems as development of HD-DVDs has ceased.

I hated to see the competition go but I am moving on and since BD is the surviving optical disc format, I would like to see companies that have players put there R & D into BD, TS & MKV playback.

This makes no sense...
They have a product working for a format that will never change. Therefore they don't need to "Focus" on anything concerning HD DVD. Just leave the code in there and Focus on Blu-Ray.

I still have not seen anything published by Arcsoft that specifically states they are removing HD DVD support from their products, its purely speculation at this point.
post #1646 of 4430
Actually, official HD-DVD support was the only reason I was even considering this software over PowerDVD. Thanks for the confirmation.. With both products not supporting HD-DVD, it makes my decision of which software to use much easier. I'll stick with the software that's been around a lot longer

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Originally Posted by TokyoShoe View Post

Just sent in an email to their Customer Support, inquiring about this. If they are removing support for HD-DVD, I am going to demand my money back.
post #1647 of 4430
Dropping HD-DVD support is fine, and to be expected at some point. Dropping HD-DVD functionality, on the other hand, would be plain stupid, removing a crucial advantage over their competition, the feature that made people switch from it, and that would result with refund requests and alienation and loss of customers. So far, we haven't seen anything done by Arcsoft indicating that they might be stupid, au contraire. But we'll see.
post #1648 of 4430
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Originally Posted by DJ79 View Post

So far, we haven't seen anything done by Arcsoft indicating that they might be stupid, au contraire. But we'll see.

very true, but they seem to have removed the phrase "hd-dvd" from the tmt product pages.
post #1649 of 4430
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Originally Posted by lakaw View Post

This makes no sense...
They have a product working for a format that will never change. Therefore they don't need to "Focus" on anything concerning HD DVD. Just leave the code in there and Focus on Blu-Ray.

It is not that simple because any piece of software has subroutines and other common code that is being called. For HD-DVD functionality they would have to test for every new release is it still working, did we break anything, is error trapping still flawless. All the additional compiling and then testing for a format that has no future and is no longer produced. That is a very bad business decision and it will hurt customers. When the HD-DVD consortium abandoned their product they also abandoned their customers and support vendors and HD-DVD will go the way of the whale oil lamps. Just look at the display card manufacturers and how they break their own code and functionality from one release to the next and it is no different with software players. Reducing the complexity of this product is in favor of those buying optical discs.
post #1650 of 4430
And the dolby licensing issue. I remember reading when PDVD dropped HDDVD, part of the reason was relicensing costs. Last I checked Arc Forum was down, but when asked, Jason said there might come a day.
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