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post #31 of 3448
Hi The pcm file is a 24 bit 96khz hi def pcm file and some video files in different formats.

If you sign up at itrax.com, you can get a free download of a 24bit 96khz pcm track for testing the audio ability of high-def audio.

720p WMV: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...tshowcase.aspx
1080p WMV: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...tshowcase.aspx
720p h264/mpeg4-avc: (whitebook) http://www.skytimelapses.com/1315hd720.mp4
1080p h264/mpeg4-avc: (whitebook) http://www.skytimelapses.com/forests.30.1080.mp4
720p h264/mpeg4-avc: (non whitebook, ie creating with x264) Struggling to find that aren't movie rips
1080p h264/mpeg4-avc: (non-whitebook, ie creating with x264) Struggling to find that aren't movie rips
1080p mpeg2: http://www.w6rz.net/ed24p_03.zip
1080i mpeg2: http://www.w6rz.net/parkrun1920_23mbps.ts
1080p vc-1: http://www.techpowerup.com/downloads...DPlus_5.1.html
post #32 of 3448
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kei Clark View Post

As for comparison with popcorn hour, if I had one, I would do comparisons. Not that this information is not available already, Hi-Jack has already been doing an admirable job on his site MPC Club.

[PH] Hi Kei, How about we trade a Popcorn Hour A-100 player with a Tvix M-6500A player. This will allow both parties to do comparison.
post #33 of 3448
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Originally Posted by popcornhour View Post

[PH] Hi Kei, How about we trade a Popcorn Hour A-100 player with a Tvix M-6500A player. This will allow both parties to do comparison.

Given the PH is twice cheaper you will have to trade two units
post #34 of 3448
TPeterson and Kei,
Here are some 1080p AVC blu ray rips to test. Each are 200mb.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/564hxg

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ouyj71

http://www.sendspace.com/file/y9go0y
post #35 of 3448
@mlknez: Several of your links are incompletely copied.

@dobeman: I'm attempting d/l now, but my DSL connection is having fits.
post #36 of 3448
I add my vote in for DVICo M-6500A. Despite being double priced vs PoPCorn it does have
display, USB Slave, vector changeable fonts, features as loading 2 subs at the same time
and overall performance so far both on SMB and NFS is simply impressive!

There is some fine tuning desire but we seem all to agree the most urgent issues
concentrate around playback support. I miss WMA Losless audio, embedded subtitles in
MKV files and several others but there will not be good enough reason to complain about
this one...

It's very performing and stable (although we managed to make the player reboot a few
times during stress tests. I'm sure most of the "sample" testers will end positive and
recommend it. It's the most expensive unit out there (hdd player) but seems to head
for becoming the best again too...

PS: It is different enough from the older units. We expected practically the same but this is simply better styled and more functional with the little extra's her and ther.!
post #37 of 3448
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Originally Posted by tolax View Post

With the 'new' hi-def display have the resolutions changed for the background images/cover art etc?

I was going to use the GUI creator from Guy Kuo but I wonder if this will work with the new 6500 display.

Tolax

I've put in some temporary code so the program will scale the output to 1280 x 720 if you set it to do so in the settings panel. However, the rendering is still done at 720 x 480 and then scaled up. So, the result is only for testing. It's not as sharp as direct rendering to the higher resolution. When direct rendering to higher resolution is worked out, the results will be sharper. Meanwhile, the upscaled TViX.jpg's should allow testing with the 6500A.
post #38 of 3448
Hello,

Please test the following 24 bit 96khz pcm file to see if this box is capable of hi def audio output. Thanks.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/wtepjy
post #39 of 3448
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

@mlknez: Several of your links are incompletely copied.

@dobeman: I'm attempting d/l now, but my DSL connection is having fits.

Here are some results (all were the same via SMB and internal HDD):

720p WMV, 1080p WMV: Tested several from MSFT site, all OK
www.skytimelapses.com *.mp4: Fail to play (Do play on M-4100...? DViCo notified)
1080p mpeg2 (www.w6rz.net): Plays OK
1080i mpeg2 (parkrun1920_23mbps.ts): Video plays, "AC3 48k" audio track silent...nothing recorded?
1080p vc-1 (www.techpowerup.com "MKV"): Fails.

Three dobeman files, all nominally the same type ("1080p AVC blu ray rips"), all play differently: One A, no V; one V, no A; and one A+V OK. I suspect formating errors on the two that fail, but I have no tools to analyze.
post #40 of 3448
Thanks for the updates guys.

OOC - do the svideo and HDMI outputs work simultaneously?
I know its not possible on the 4100 but I am hoping the 6500 support it to allow simplification of a second zone system.

I heard a rumour the new chipset supports it and wondered if it worked out of the box or if it will need a BIOS tweak?


thanks in adv....keep up updated pls!
post #41 of 3448
I hope Tvix continues (would be nice for other media players) to conveniently access more than one server. With terabytes worth of data, and servers only holding so much do to space, having multiple server access is a blessing.
post #42 of 3448
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by popcornhour View Post

[PH] Hi Kei, How about we trade a Popcorn Hour A-100 player with a Tvix M-6500A player. This will allow both parties to do comparison.

Hey PH,

Although I think this would be helpful, I unfortunately don't have the time for this as we don't actually sell the Popcorn Hour (we all need more hours in a day). As mentioned I think that Hi-Jack is really the best source for a comparison, that's what he does. Maybe DVICO is the right contact, all of the first shipment has now been spoken for.
post #43 of 3448
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlknez View Post

Hello,

Please test the following 24 bit 96khz pcm file to see if this box is capable of hi def audio output. Thanks.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/wtepjy

Yes, it played, but it is likely that the output is 48khz. I am using Coax for audio.
post #44 of 3448
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Originally Posted by Kei Clark View Post

Hey PH,

Although I think this would be helpful, I unfortunately don't have the time for this as we don't actually sell the Popcorn Hour (we all need more hours in a day). As mentioned I think that Hi-Jack is really the best source for a comparison, that's what he does. Maybe DVICO is the right contact, all of the first shipment has now been spoken for.

[PH] Just responsed back on your statement "As for comparison with popcorn hour, if I had one, I would do comparisons.".
post #45 of 3448
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by popcornhour View Post

[PH] Just responsed back on your statement "As for comparison with popcorn hour, if I had one, I would do comparisons.".

True I said that, but I don't have one. Actually, finances and the work aside, I have a bundle of joy due any day now and I can't make any committments for forseeable future.
post #46 of 3448
Could you plz test me the .mkv in te rars(that samples stutter on the 4100 both sound and video)

Eastern Promises
Separated in 2 rar files(needed both to extract)

Rar1: http://rapidshare.com/files/82801804...part1.rar.html
Rar2http://rapidshare.com/files/82806190...part2.rar.html

Pan's Labyrinth:

Need both rars to extract(samplefile total= 123 mb)

Rar1: http://rapidshare.com/files/83002023...part1.rar.html
Rar2: http://rapidshare.com/files/83005466...part2.rar.html
post #47 of 3448
WTF?? I've downloaded one of your 4 files and wasn't allowed to simultaneously start the other 3. Now I'm told that I need to wait an hour and a half to start the next one!! Sorry, Reverb1, but my life is too short to deal with that particular "service"!

Edit: OK, I finished d/l-ing the first one anyway and I confirm that it plays without problems, even over SMB share, on the M-6500A--and doesn't play on the 4100. (But ick!! I'd have preferred a less nasty programming sample to look at for this test. )
post #48 of 3448
Actually, in the old thread, it was said that the specs that were on some of the sites were not "final specs". Could you confirm that all of the specs that were advertised were indeed final. (ie: HDMI, chipset, etc.)
post #49 of 3448
Which spec concerns you? Yes, it's got HDMI 1.3. Yes, it's got EM-8635 chip. And yes, it's clearly got better LAN performance than the 4x00/5x00 models.
post #50 of 3448
Hi TPeterson, it has HDMI 1.3, but can it bitstream all audio out the HDMI 1.3? What is the maximum audio sampling rate? 96Khz, 192Khz? Does it support multichannel audio at 96khz 24 bit? I would like to use this just as a front end to my audio, but pass all audio files as bitstream so that my processors dacs can be used to convert and output rather than the cheap dacs and opamps in this unit. I, of course, would like it to send my video out the HDMI also at full bitrate and color depth. Please let me know if you have the specs that can answer these questions. Thanks.
post #51 of 3448
The specifications say nothing about "sampling rate" and I imagine that's because its digital audio outputs, except for down-mixed PCM, simply pass through whatever stream is provided by the source. Why would it be any different? The only thing they say about the digital video output besides "HDMI 1.3" is that it's "video 24 bit". Does that help?
post #52 of 3448
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

WTF?? I've downloaded one of your 4 files and wasn't allowed to simultaneously start the other 3. Now I'm told that I need to wait an hour and a half to start the next one!! Sorry, Reverb1, but my life is too short to deal with that particular "service"!

Edit: OK, I finished d/l-ing the first one anyway and I confirm that it plays without problems, even over SMB share, on the M-6500A--and doesn't play on the 4100. (But ick!! I'd have preferred a less nasty programming sample to look at for this test. )


Thnx for testing, and nice to hear it play smooth on the 6500.

Stupid Rapidshare and their stupid rules. Sorry, doesn't knew that...
post #53 of 3448
All I want is for NO audio to come out of the coax, toslink or rca audio out. All audio to come out the hdmi and not converted to pcm before being transferred just bitstreamed out raw. Can this unit do that?
post #54 of 3448
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Originally Posted by mlknez View Post

All I want is for NO audio to come out of the coax, toslink or rca audio out. All audio to come out the hdmi and not converted to pcm before being transferred just bitstreamed out raw. Can this unit do that?

same question.hdmi 1.3 is really a selling point,especially for audio bitstream in raw form, at least lpcm5.1&7.1 shoulb be output as PS3.
post #55 of 3448
One site selling this device, datoptic.com, says this on their page:

"Our M6500A comes with sofware and instructions of how to convert M2TS (Bluray), EVO (HDDVD), VOB (DVD)... to MKV (H.264), XVID, DIVX, AVI formats at full 1080p ($139.00 value)"

If I rip my HD DVDs to my computer (EVO files) has anyone verified if this
included software can really convert them to some format this box can play?

These things are great for my DVDs, but I've yet to learn how to convert my
HD DVDs properly so they play on media devices.
post #56 of 3448
Quote:
Originally Posted by mlknez View Post

All I want is for NO audio to come out of the coax, toslink or rca audio out. All audio to come out the hdmi and not converted to pcm before being transferred just bitstreamed out raw. Can this unit do that?

Evidently it can output all audio unconverted over HDMI, as there is a warning message saying that "you may not hear audio, depending upon hardware" when you select digital audio with HDMI output mode. I cannot confirm proper operation of this, however, because I lack the correct gear myself.
post #57 of 3448
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Originally Posted by uscboy View Post

One site selling this device, datoptic.com, says this on their page:

"Our M6500A comes with sofware and instructions of how to convert M2TS (Bluray), EVO (HDDVD), VOB (DVD)... to MKV (H.264), XVID, DIVX, AVI formats at full 1080p ($139.00 value)"

If I rip my HD DVDs to my computer (EVO files) has anyone verified if this
included software can really convert them to some format this box can play?

These things are great for my DVDs, but I've yet to learn how to convert my
HD DVDs properly so they play on media devices.

This thread might help:-

http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?n...wtopic&t=15076
post #58 of 3448
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Originally Posted by zAndy12 View Post

This thread might help:-

http://www.mpcclub.com/modules.php?n...wtopic&t=15076


It does! Thanks.
post #59 of 3448
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Originally Posted by Kei Clark View Post

Didn't I explain that I was already told the DVD
As for comparison with popcorn hour, if I had one, I would do comparisons. Not that this information is not available already, Hi-Jack has already been doing an admirable job on his site MPC Club.

Everyone knows of Hi Jack's extreme bias towards Tvix. It's no big secret. Please give us a link to a site offering an unbiased comparison (a "fair and balaced" comparison if you will ).

Quote:


Wow, you really are nit picking. We apologized for the very few tuners that we accidently shipped (sometimes the staff are overwhelmed by the sheer number of shipment on the day DVICO products come in and may not be as astute about catching errors). You act like we did this knowingly which is to imply that we were being less than ethical. Me thinks that if you have issues with me, a PM would be more appropriate, and stop junking up this thread with personal issues.

I was only responding to your claim that you and other retailers wouldn't sell a product that was missing major advertised functionality. As I correctly pointed out, history proves otherwise. The tuner was but one example with the 4100. I could have brought up how long it took Dvico to get a license from Dolby. As purchasers of the 4100 found out after their purchase, the 4100 wasn't ready for prime time. So naturally there is concern among existing customers of Dvico like myself that the 6500 might be equally unpolished.
post #60 of 3448
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Originally Posted by TPeterson View Post

Johnny, there is absolutely no point in cataloging, as you suggest, the "missing" features in the prerelease firmware, because once they're added (such as the DVD play was yesterday) they have no relevance to what the consumer will experience. I am reporting on what already works to give people an idea of what improvements may be expected from the M-6500A v its predecessors and competitors. I leave the detailed comparison reporting to Hi-Jack.

I can't answer madshi's question about "maximum bitrate" because I have neither Blu-Ray rips nor other test equipment to do so. I chose not to waste bandwidth by stating this. Non reply does not equal "ignore" in a public forum. All I can do constructively is to repeat that, unlike previous Sigma Players (except the Ziova), the M-6500A can play smoothly HDTV files, both MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 up to at least an indicated 20 Mbps, over SMB shares.

Oh, before you "discover" this nefariously dark and dastardly "secret", I will "divulge" that the M-6500A upon release will not support REW of transport streams. A later firmware update will add that feature (presumably to both M-6500 and M-4100).

Don't hate me because I ask the tough questions and don't give Dvico a free ride. Let's stop ducking the existing issues with the 4100 and let's comment on them with regards to the 6500:
-Unstable picture browsing
-Unreliable ISO playback from local hard drive
-Audio over HDMI
-Slow icon browsing
-Poor mp3 playback
-Embedded subs in mkv (Popcorn Hour says beta firmware supports this)
-Time search in mkv (Popcorn Hour says beta firmware supports this)

Let's not forget about the big differentiator between the 6500 and Popcorn Hour, the support for HDMI 1.3:
1-Is the 6500 able transport DD+, TrueHD, and DTS-HD bitstreams?
2-Is the 6500 able to play Bluray and HD DVD rips?

In answering these questions, the emphasis should be on what is working right now. Not some vague promise from Dvico that the functionally MIGHT be added 6-12 months from now.

To get straight to the point, the main question on the minds of potential buyers like myself is what does the 6500 have that justifies the $220 increase over the Popcorn Hour? Or justifies the purchase of the 6500 over the 4100? And again the answer should relate to what is currently working in the 6500 firmware.
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