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post #61 of 132
Jesus, I'm glad I didn't buy this... I was toying with the idea for a few days but Samsung never been a trustworthy CE manfucaturer in my eyes so I voted down banking such a large investment on their never-promised future updates.
post #62 of 132
As a owner of UP5000 I don't understand this "the sky is falling" mentality - so far the player works great for me and delivers great picture quality. I have yet to run into any major glitch on most of the discs I have, Blu-ray or HD-DVD. The upconversion through Silicon Optix REON processor is great and there's not other players in this price range that uses REON. Samsung as promised delivered the first firmware through the player's ethernet port and upgraded the firmware perfectly. Samsung is still releasing firmware upgrade for their first and second generation players that were already discontinued so I don't understand why are people are panicking.

One can always keep waiting, waiting, and waiting and not enjoying watching hi-def movies - there are always better machines down the horizon - look at computers and notebooks - within 3-6 months all of them are out of date. There's no guarrantee that the next models won't be trouble free either.

R.L.

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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

Jesus, I'm glad I didn't buy this... I was toying with the idea for a few days but Samsung never been a trustworthy CE manfucaturer in my eyes so I voted down banking such a large investment on their never-promised future updates.
post #63 of 132
You're right on the upcoming models but calling it major-glitch-free player is a bit of a stretch: it's been confirmed it doesn't play several movies and its audio section is almost at the level of an A2 or A3 when it comes to lossless codecs - yet it costs some crazy money and only offer another 3 months support and that's it... if it's really the simple cut and run as it looks then I think Samsung is making a huge mistake, it's going to cost them a lot of reputation among CE fans.
post #64 of 132
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Originally Posted by Choptop View Post

well, since i dont have a pre/pro that can decode them... its not an issue for me. Apparently you do? If I get one in the future (not any time soon, they are still $$$) and it becomes an issue... I'll look at it then. I suspect it wont. 99.9% of any of our livingrooms arent configured to be able to hear the difference anyway. If an update comes out that enables the output, as promised, great.

my player works great. It plays BD/HD-DVD, puts out a great picture... what else is there?

Wow,your easy to please..You obviously have not heard Dolby Digital TrueHD and I know you haven't heard DTS MA..I have,on my Panny BD30K with and Onkyo 805.I returned the 5000 due to the fact,I want high def picture and sound..Once you've heard the new HD sound,you won't go back,its that good! And hell yes there is a difference,its not even close..
post #65 of 132
Samsung is going to have to produce several problem free players (either HD DVD and/or Blu-ray) before I would ever consider buying from them again. The 1200 and 1400 are full of issues.

Sticking to Pio Elite for Blu-ray and Hd xa2 for HD DVD.
post #66 of 132
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Originally Posted by LowTech1 View Post

Wow,your easy to please..You obviously have not heard Dolby Digital TrueHD and I know you haven't heard DTS MA.

Very true. Ever since I upgraded to A35 - lossless goes via analog into my Onkyo SR674 - I cannot stop smiling every time when my Infinity PS-12 starts thundering...
post #67 of 132
I am glad I returned mine. Say what you will about promises and product cycles, bottom line is that for $800 this thing has been a colossal failure and Samsung knows it.
post #68 of 132
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Wow,your easy to please..You obviously have not heard Dolby Digital TrueHD and I know you haven't heard DTS MA.

again.. I dont have a pre/pro that can decode them. So no, I havent heard them.


and someone else wrongly claimed that Samsung is dropping SUPPORT for the 5000... thats not what has been said. They said they were discontinuing it in May, not that would never be any updates for it after May.

I really dont know why anyone is even remotely upset about it. If you want to return it, do so. If you want to keep it, do so and keep watching movies on it.

When the updates come to fix any problems with it, those that returned a perfectly good unit will likely feel silly. And if the updates dont come, Samsung will have to replace the units that dont do what they claimed they can do.
post #69 of 132
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Originally Posted by Jed M View Post

I am glad I returned mine. Say what you will about promises and product cycles, bottom line is that for $800 this thing has been a colossal failure and Samsung knows it.

I'll go watch a Blu-Ray movie and then a HD-DVD movie on my colossal failure.
post #70 of 132
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Originally Posted by Choptop View Post

again.. I dont have a pre/pro that can decode them. So no, I havent heard them.


and someone else wrongly claimed that Samsung is dropping SUPPORT for the 5000... thats not what has been said. They said they were discontinuing it in May, not that would never be any updates for it after May.

I really dont know why anyone is even remotely upset about it. If you want to return it, do so. If you want to keep it, do so and keep watching movies on it.

When the updates come to fix any problems with it, those that returned a perfectly good unit will likely feel silly. And if the updates dont come, Samsung will have to replace the units that dont do what they claimed they can do.


If Samsung comes through on the FW updates, and that's a big if, I doubt very much that many people who returned it will feel 'silly' for doing so. And that does include me.

I bought a PS3 and Samsung can keep their POS, FW or not!

Sweeping, general, statements like that are not really a good thing.

Seggers
post #71 of 132
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Originally Posted by Choptop View Post

I'll go watch a Blu-Ray movie and then a HD-DVD movie on my colossal failure.

And hopefully, your player doesn't lock up or require a power down when doing so.

Unlike multiple people on these lists......

Seggers
post #72 of 132
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Originally Posted by seggers View Post

And hopefully, your player doesn't lock up or require a power down when doing so.

Unlike multiple people on these lists......

Seggers

mine hasnt yet, not once, not even with discs yer did lock up on.

just lucky I guess.
post #73 of 132
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Sweeping, general, statements like that are not really a good thing.

Seggers

I said likely. If you dont feel silly, thats fine.

there is just a huge hub-bub over what amounts to nothing on this issue.

manufacturers discontinue products all the time. This announcement has just given some people something to jump up and down about.
post #74 of 132
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Originally Posted by Choptop View Post

again.. I dont have a pre/pro that can decode them. So no, I havent heard them.

Neither I - but this is why A35 is a great player: it decodes and outputs analog 5.1 audio.



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and someone else wrongly claimed that Samsung is dropping SUPPORT for the 5000... thats not what has been said. They said they were discontinuing it in May, not that would never be any updates for it after May.

I really dont know why anyone is even remotely upset about it. If you want to return it, do so. If you want to keep it, do so and keep watching movies on it.

If it plays that particular one, yep.

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When the updates come to fix any problems with it, those that returned a perfectly good unit will likely feel silly. And if the updates dont come, Samsung will have to replace the units that dont do what they claimed they can do.

Suuuuure... you must be a very nice, generous thus very naive person.
post #75 of 132
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Suuuuure... you must be a very nice, generous thus very naive person.


Like I said the Federal Trade Commission and the laws of the state that I live in say that Samsung will. I'm not too worried.
post #76 of 132
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Originally Posted by Choptop View Post

Like I said the Federal Trade Commission and the laws of the state that I live in say that Samsung will. I'm not too worried.

And as I said to someone else, let's see you keep them to it.....

Seggers
post #77 of 132
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Originally Posted by Choptop View Post

Like I said the Federal Trade Commission and the laws of the state that I live in say that Samsung will. I'm not too worried.

Like I said you are a very naive person - read that small-lettered part again in the manual...
post #78 of 132
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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

Like I said you are a very naive person - read that small-lettered part again in the manual...

That part does not allow manufacturers to claim the product does something that it does not. What it allows them to do is change the product specs within the same model name.

Pretty well established part of consumer law.
post #79 of 132
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Originally Posted by Choptop View Post

That part does not allow manufacturers to claim the product does something that it does not. What it allows them to do is change the product specs within the same model name.

Pretty well established part of consumer law.

So in other words they don't change any claims but simply modify the specs after release - thanks for confirming my point.
post #80 of 132
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Originally Posted by T2k View Post

So in other words they don't change any claims but simply modify the specs after release - thanks for confirming my point.

talk about naive....

re-read what I wrote.

I said, that nothing in print about changing specs can absolve the manufacturer from producing a product that does what the advertising claims it does.

In other words, you buy a widget and the box says, this widget does X. The widget has to do X.

what it absolves them from is when the manufacturer makes widget V.2 that the specs for widget V.2 do not have to be the same as widget V.1 .

jeez...some people just cant wait to see their point of view in every single thing that is said... whether its really there or not.



lets get this straight.... NOTHING in any manual or small print ANYWHERE absolves a manufacturer from a product that does not perform as advertised.

one cannot produce a Flying Car, claim it flies, and then in the small print on the owners manual say... "...car may not fly..." or some such silliness. There are laws against that. Pretty simple.

why is this so hard for some people to understand?
post #81 of 132
Here is a little primer to help ya'll out. Remember, advertising includes the print on the side of the box.
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/...s/ad-faqs.shtm

i'll even highlight a little section for ya:

The FTC looks at whether the claim would be "material" - that is, important to a consumer's decision to buy or use the product. Examples of material claims are representations about a product's performance, features, safety, price, or effectiveness.
post #82 of 132
I wish all owners luck with the 5000. I sold mine on e-bay at not too bad a price. (I have a feeling owners like SileasResearch got out much earlier). I kinda got the feeling a few weeks ago that this unit had become the ugly stepchild of Samsung and the discontinuation confirms that.

The best thing to be said about the 5000 is the Reon upscaling. I swear my sDVDs looked like HiDef and very movie theater like.

Now for the things I didn't like:
-Unpredictability what hidef discs will play and what won't
-No TrueHD or DTS-MA as promised
-Little or no support/communication from Samsung
-Unpredictability of support in the future
-cheezy things like flashing the Samsung logo after a short pause
-HD-DVD support not as important now or in the future
-too expensive for it not to work more smoothly and as advertised

FWIW, I'm now hoping and waiting for the Denon 3800BD (or the Marantz clone of the same) as the real deal as far as upscaling (Realta) and decoding all audio formats over analogs. I currently have the Denon 2910 and IMO the quality, look, and feel of the Denon really trounces the 5000. Downside is the pain I will feel in my wallet...
post #83 of 132
Assuming that this player will not play True HD or the DTS format, it appears that Samsung may have to make some retribution. That said, I do not have a newer audio AVR that has this capability so even though Samsung states on the box it will play these advanced audio formats, I'm OK with it not having it.

I don't know what True HD sounds like but I am perfectly satisfied with my 5.2 DD system. (Yes 5.2) Let's be honest, 7.1 DD is way over rated. As long as they fix the video compatibility issues, that's OK with me. It's planned obsolence folks, that's the nature of technology.
post #84 of 132
I think Samsung is just trying to clear out their inventory before they discontinue their player. Their 1.0 firmware doesn't leave one with much confidence in their programming ability for future FWs. I returned mine, and am going to stay away from Samsung brands for quite a while.
post #85 of 132
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Originally Posted by tadam View Post

I don't know what True HD sounds like but I am perfectly satisfied with my 5.2 DD system. (Yes 5.2) Let's be honest, 7.1 DD is way over rated. As long as they fix the video compatibility issues, that's OK with me. It's planned obsolence folks, that's the nature of technology.

Then maybe you should try listening to the PCM audio tracks through analog, big difference from DD .
post #86 of 132
I knew it, I knew it , I knew it. So glad I got rid of mine!
post #87 of 132
I got drunk and ALMOST ordered one but thank God I somehow ordered the BH200 instead...
post #88 of 132
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I got drunk and ALMOST ordered one but thank God I somehow ordered the BH200 instead...

Well the bad news is that BH200 is based on the same reference design as UP5000. I would rather put my money on Samsung than LG based on my prior experiences with other LG products.

R.L.
post #89 of 132
I also have a Denon 2910 and I agree the 2910 has much sturdier built than the UP5000 but I can tell you the UP5000 has better picture quality than the Denon 2910. Don't forget even Denon put out problematic products - the 2910 has the famous macroblocking bug - fortunately it does not show up on my old projector.

As for UP5000
-Unpredictability? - haven't encounter one yet.
-No TrueHD or DTS-MA? Not the end of the world
-Little or no support? Firmware #1 came out as promised within 1 month of release of this player. And how long does Microsoft take to release the SP1 for Vista???? Last time I checked Samsung also posted firmware updates for their older machines.
-I am glad you also noticed that the Reon upscaling works well.
-Even if you get the Denon you most likely will need firmware upgrade as well.

R.L.

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Originally Posted by haggisbingo View Post

I wish all owners luck with the 5000. I sold mine on e-bay at not too bad a price. (I have a feeling owners like SileasResearch got out much earlier). I kinda got the feeling a few weeks ago that this unit had become the ugly stepchild of Samsung and the discontinuation confirms that.

The best thing to be said about the 5000 is the Reon upscaling. I swear my sDVDs looked like HiDef and very movie theater like.

Now for the things I didn't like:
-Unpredictability what hidef discs will play and what won't
-No TrueHD or DTS-MA as promised
-Little or no support/communication from Samsung
-Unpredictability of support in the future
-cheezy things like flashing the Samsung logo after a short pause

FWIW, I'm now hoping and waiting for the Denon 3800BD (or the Marantz clone of the same) as the real deal as far as upscaling (Realta) and decoding all audio formats over analogs. I currently have the Denon 2910 and IMO the quality, look, and feel of the Denon really trounces the 5000. Downside is the pain I will feel in my wallet...
post #90 of 132
Well the BH200's have been selling very well based on the same chip set, I'm surprised this unit could not make it to the proper playing field. Regardless I think LG has done a great job with the Super Blu series, and it will continue to be in the lead till Samsung is ready to grab the Sony/Samsung lover market.
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