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post #151 of 185
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Originally Posted by bass addict View Post

I am running an entire Insteon network, and I will agree that led's don't play super nice. Mine don't completely go out, which I'm fine with. They dim fairly smoothly though when I run them on my slow fade to off program. When manually dimming them they get a little finicky but nothing worth worrying about.

I was running non LED and after making the switch, I wouldn't go back. They make for a nice fire effect.

So you wouldn't go back because it is a better quality light? Different color? Why did you switch in the first place?

I have not seen the dimming problems for myself so it is difficult for me to say if it would bother me.
post #152 of 185
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

So you wouldn't go back because it is a better quality light? Different color? Why did you switch in the first place?

I have not seen the dimming problems for myself so it is difficult for me to say if it would bother me.

I like the effect the LED's give off. I also like the coloring better. I switched my stage and riser rope lights out for a cool white and prefer it more. The only complaint I have with them is you have to have them aimed perfectly for the right effect; which is tough when bending it around corners. It tends to twist not providing even illumination.
post #153 of 185
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Originally Posted by bass addict View Post

I like the effect the LED's give off. I also like the coloring better. I switched my stage and riser rope lights out for a cool white and prefer it more. The only complaint I have with them is you have to have them aimed perfectly for the right effect; which is tough when bending it around corners. It tends to twist not providing even illumination.

Ok I will consider the LED's.

In case I want incandescent does anyone have suggestions on what type to get?

Are there any considerations for communicating properly with my Insteon setup?
post #154 of 185
I would assume that traditional incandescent rope lights are just like a light fixture, right? As far as dimming goes, I mean.
post #155 of 185
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

Ok I will consider the LED's.

In case I want incandescent does anyone have suggestions on what type to get?

Are there any considerations for communicating properly with my Insteon setup?
The Insteon will have no problem to control the incandescent rope light.

Here's mine, on the top & bottom of the wall. I chose incandescent mainly because it's warm color that match nicely with my color theme. And I have no problem to control it via Insteon too.

post #156 of 185
Good to know I should not have any problems dimming with an Insteon switch then.

I am glad you mentioned that your light was warm because I was not even thinking about the can lights I already have in the room. They are halogen and it is probably best to have the same color temperature for a uniform look in the room.

So I know about 1000 bulbs. Any other good sources for rope lights? Is the 1/2 inch a good option?
post #157 of 185
Bass Addict,

Would you be able to take a video of your lights fading using your Insteon commands? It would be nice to see how well it fades compared to incandescent. If it is too much trouble then don't worry about it.

Thanks,

Grant
post #158 of 185
Does anyone have experience with this color changing LED rope lighting? I know it was mentioned in the thread earlier. So does anyone own it?

Link

I will be hard wiring it to romex in my rope light tray hooked up to an Insteon dimmer. If I ran an IR repeater to the rope light could I then control it with a harmony or iRule via the Insteon dimmer switch? I guess the dimmer switch would turn it on and off and the IR would control the color. Is this correct? Is there a better way to do this?

Is there a specific type of connector that is best to make the 4 turns necessary to daisy chain this thing in my rope light tray? These can be cut every 3 LED's. There are 150 LED's per 16.4' so I think that would be an LED about every 1.2''. Someone check my math. If that is true then you can cut it every 3.4'' which I hope would work to make turns but I do have a very tight space so if it does not come out exactly right what is the best way to deal with that?

I am also considering incandescent rope lights. I thought about getting the 150' spool of 1/2'' for $80 through 1000 bulbs and running it triple since I only need about 43'. Is this a good idea? Do I need the extra brightness? I have a very very small rope light tray only 1.5-2'' across and around 2.5'' tall (I will need to measure again). Any problems with this?
post #159 of 185
I originally put up a white incandescent in my soffit but later changed to an amber and a blue rope light - I went with incandescent amber and blue at first but the blue color was off and the amber was not bright enough. I switched out both with LED and the results were much better. I used the incandescent rope in my columns (behind amber panels) and it worked well. In general I think LED's work better in the soffit because they are brighter.

The other thing to consider with running multiple runs is hot spotting. In my soffit I had to turn the rope so the LED's all pointed the same way for a uniform light pattern. With multiple runs this could even it out, but could also make it difficult to get an even pattern. Make sure you have a way to attach the rope light rather than just let it lay in the light tray. You want to be able to manipulate the rope and hold it in a certain place.
post #160 of 185
Yeah I was hoping multiple runs would give brighter and more even illumination but I may not have the room to do it. With LED I could do just one run and it would hopefully be bright enough.

If I am going to hard wire to Romex I think I will need 120v so this limits my options quite a bit.

Any specific brand suggestions? I have seen that someLED lights are tape lights which are not flexible except in one direction and some others are more like traditional rope lights and are flexible in all directions which I would think would be quite a bit easier.

How about this one? cb concepts It is reasonably priced but does not seem to include a controller.
Edited by jedimastergrant - 9/5/13 at 1:38pm
post #161 of 185
Grant

How are you going to connect the romex directly? Would it require a 24V instead of a 12V light setup? I've been going over options and not thought of that. Mostly considered running a outlet to behind the crown molding im going to hide the lights in.

Thanks,

Mike

Btw, I think you asked about something like this... I have a cheap LED light strip from China via amazon (i think). It came with a small transformer and remote, it dims but not all the way but it does change colors. Hope this helps. Juat have it behind my downstairs TV
Edited by 1Myke - 9/16/13 at 8:13pm
post #162 of 185
I am not an electrician so I am working with someone who has done some electrical work. As far as I know the rope lights need to be 120v and we should be able to directly connect the wires to the Romex.

I just ended up ordering incandescent lights for simplicity sake.
post #163 of 185
Just realized I never posted in this thread... I guess I should take a more angled-up picture, but there are a total of eight trays in the ceiling, each with a 25' length of white incandescent rope light (from 1000bulbs.com). The copper metallic paint in the tray really glows.




Jeff
post #164 of 185
Thanks grant....did you get enough to (double up) overlap the Incan to avoid yhe potentially spotty glow or just enough for one wrap around the room? Hope that sentence made sense.
post #165 of 185
Yes I got enough to wrap around 3 times. It is a 150 ft spool and I have around 44 ft of perimeter.

Jeff, it looks amazing and with a little more budget that is exactly what I would have done.
post #166 of 185
Has anyone tried using three ropes for diy RGB lighting instead of one RGB rope? In such a case, how did it turn out?
post #167 of 185
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

Yes I got enough to wrap around 3 times. It is a 150 ft spool and I have around 44 ft of perimeter.

Jeff, it looks amazing and with a little more budget that is exactly what I would have done.

And i assume three can be just one continuos line.... around and around and around? have u figured how ur going to hard wire it....hide a plug behind molding, run a line from the attic and jusy use wire nuts, etc..?
post #168 of 185
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Originally Posted by 1Myke View Post

have u figured how ur going to hard wire it....hide a plug behind molding, run a line from the attic and jusy use wire nuts, etc..?

I followed the same technique the builder's electricians used in the rest of my house (and I've seen in other homes under construction around me - YMMV). Romex comes through the drywall, wire nut splice to the rope light cord. I assume this meets code because that splice is "inaccessible" from a safety standpoint, and not buried in the wall.

Jeff
post #169 of 185
Myke I am planning to wire it just as jeff explained above. I have Romex coming through the drywall into the rope light mini soffit and I don't have enough room in there to put a plug in.
post #170 of 185
thanks guys, that sounds easy enough, grant did your spool come with just an elec cord or did it have a plug which you have to cut off to get to the wires (i assume)?

I was thinking of putting the romex line on a dimmer to control the rope lights...wish i could afford a GE now but spent a lot (for my wifes taste) getting the theater room up and operating so i can't yet.
post #171 of 185
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

Ok I will consider the LED's.

In case I want incandescent does anyone have suggestions on what type to get?

Are there any considerations for communicating properly with my Insteon setup?
Here is a thread from the smarthome forum that addresses the problem of controlling LEDs with insteon gear. Basically, not enough current draw to work properly. Can be fixed be adding more draw. I am using roomie remote which controls all of my equipment plus my insteon controlled lights via smartlinc.
Great theaters in this thread.
post #172 of 185
Myke, The spool has not arrived yet but I imagine we will have to cut into it. Will try to update when I find out. My insteon setup was a lot cheaper than a GE just fyi. Still need to ease into the upgrades though as I am finding out right about now. The chairs and speakers I have had my eye on will have to wait.

eric, thanks for the info. If I go with LED's next time I will look into it.
post #173 of 185
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Originally Posted by erichoya View Post

Here is a thread from the smarthome forum that addresses the problem of controlling LEDs with insteon gear. Basically, not enough current draw to work properly. Can be fixed be adding more draw. I am using roomie remote which controls all of my equipment plus my insteon controlled lights via smartlinc.
Great theaters in this thread.

is the link missing or am i crazy? I wonder how many LED strips and power supplies I would need on one switch to make it work properly
post #174 of 185
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Originally Posted by 1Myke View Post

thanks guys, that sounds easy enough, grant did your spool come with just an elec cord or did it have a plug which you have to cut off to get to the wires (i assume)?

That was my original plan, but then I found that I could buy 8 of the 24' pre-made lengths, cut the plugs off and be done. Each tray got its own 24' kit, with 2-3' of overlap (which I can't really notice) - it was cheaper for me than buying spools, since I'd have to buy two spools and have a lot left over... And a lot less work.
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I was thinking of putting the romex line on a dimmer to control the rope lights...wish i could afford a GE now but spent a lot (for my wifes taste) getting the theater room up and operating so i can't yet.

Definitely at least put it on a simple dimmer...

Jeff
post #175 of 185
I was also wondering if the excess ropes can be cut, one wrap around my room is roughly 64' so a 150' spool could only go around 2 times to keep the light output consistent?

Jeff, if i understood u right did u tie in all 8 separate ropes into one line of romex?

And I was going to get a reg diet first too.
post #176 of 185
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Originally Posted by 1Myke View Post

I was also wondering if the excess ropes can be cut, one wrap around my room is roughly 64' so a 150' spool could only go around 2 times to keep the light output consistent?

Will depend on the model / design - but it can typically be cut at specific points like every 2 feet...
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Jeff, if i understood u right did u tie in all 8 separate ropes into one line of romex?

Yes, the romex feeds are all tied together in an accessible (not easily, but possible) junction box in the attic, although in hindsight it probably would have been simpler and easier to chain the eight trays together at each rope splice instead of creating the 'star' fan-out.
post #177 of 185
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Originally Posted by erichoya View Post

Here is a thread from the smarthome forum that addresses the problem of controlling LEDs with insteon gear. Basically, not enough current draw to work properly. Can be fixed be adding more draw. I am using roomie remote which controls all of my equipment plus my insteon controlled lights via smartlinc.
Great theaters in this thread.
Sorry, here is the missing link:
https://www.smarthome.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13497
post #178 of 185
One of the last things on my mind before I put up some drywall is the best spot to bring power into the room for the rope lighting. Due to some obstacles I won't be able to have a continuous run of rope. I figure I'll need two one for each side of the theater. I originally planned on having an outlet on each side of the room up high which would later be concealed by the crown. I would use an Insteon Lamp Linc in each outlet essentially giving me control over both runs of rope.

I'm wondering however if Instead of the outlets I should just bring some romex through the drywall near the ceiling and use a different method? Thoughts?
post #179 of 185
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Originally Posted by jedimastergrant View Post

Myke, The spool has not arrived yet but I imagine we will have to cut into it. Will try to update when I find out. My insteon setup was a lot cheaper than a GE just fyi. Still need to ease into the upgrades though as I am finding out right about now. The chairs and speakers I have had my eye on will have to wait. .

Grant - What Insteon model are you using? I was looking to have multiple scenes for 3 zones and set my harmony one's rf up to control it all, can the insteon do that?

Anyone thought of using ths single discreet plug instead of running raw romex? http://www.sillites.com/remodel.php
post #180 of 185
It is not set up yet but I do have in my possession several of the 2477D dimmer switches for all of my zones and one of the 8 button dimmer switches that I will use to turn everything on/off (and it can be used to dim one zone).

At this point I will either use Harmony RF signals or iRule to talk to my Insteon system and control the lighting scenes. Have not decided which one. I went ahead and bought an ISY99 device to make it easier to set everything up but you can do things cheaper if you want to. You just need a few devices to be able to convert signals from RF or IR or Insteon or IP or whatever kind of system you have in place. All of the devices can be found on Insteons site http://www.insteon.com Sometimes there is better info on Smarthomes site http://www.smarthome.com/_/index.aspx


The nice thing about Insteon is you can buy just a few components now and add to your system as time and budget allow. Just do a little research on the sites listed above and that will get you started. I called them a few times to clear things up as well. The video tutorials are probably the best place to start.

The GE on the other hand is expensive to get your foot in the door and may require an electrician to install depending on your expertise. Once you get it set up I have heard that it is rock solid and more reliable than many other solutions. You just have to fork over the money of course. If I had extra budget I would probably look into the Radio RA stuff they have now.
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