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post #31 of 432
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Originally Posted by mfogarty5 View Post

I exchanged emails with Frank Chye at Cypress as well as Gary Martin at Gefen and it appears that the Cypress Instant HQV HD Scaler and the Gefen TV Scaler Pro are the same product.

Frank Chye at Cypress said that the Instant HQV HD Scaler would be marketed by Gefen and would be available in late March. Gary at Gefen also said that the Gefen TV Scaler Pro would be available in late March with an MSRP of $699.

Neither confirmed that they are the same product, but it's a pretty easy conclusion to draw eventhough the picture in Frank's .pdf differs from the one james.92 linked above.

Frank at Cypress sent me a .pdf with the specs, but at 2MB it is too big too attach. If someone wants to host it I can email it to you.

I'd appreciate any contacts folks can share at either Gefen or Cypress. We are obviously interested in talking to VP manufacturers about adding calibration controls, and I'd be curious what they have in mind.

Bill
post #32 of 432
This unit sounds ideal for working with an inexpensive pre-pro without video processing or transcoding to HDMI like the Denon A7100. I wonder if we can expect per-input settings, or just a universal setting for all inputs like what's found in Reon-equipped or other pre-pros that include scalers. I hope that's not too much for this price-point.

Color me extremely interested in this scaler. I've got a couple of other Gefen products that I've been very happy with.
post #33 of 432
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I will add one to my set up for my DirecTv and DTHEATER sources. I will see how good it deinterlaces their 1080i res. Should be a fun experiment...

fwiw, unless I am misreading the specs, the Realta HQV features only works with 480i/p sources on this device as opposed to some of the other units that have the additional algorithims.
post #34 of 432
I think it works on 1080i sources, according to the pdf it will properly deinterlace 1080i, regarldess the reon in my xa2 did everything including scaling to 720p, the best I have seen.
post #35 of 432
Its a good question though I purchased my samsung tv this year and i feed it and my projector 1080i from my bell express vu receiver, but my samsung displays a much better picture for standard tv shows, hd is the same. I am not sure why but I assumed my tv like this box could detect a 480i source and do a better job with it.
post #36 of 432
If you look at the pdf it states it properly deinterlaces 1080i, the chip is the same as in more expensive units.
post #37 of 432
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Originally Posted by pottscb View Post

So, I just looked at the Gefen page and I can not find the "Gefen HD SDI to HDMI scaler" or the "HT Pro Scaler" that are mentioned on this page...about the best I saw was the HT Scaler Plus which I can't tell it its the same, the link is here:

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=4298

There's an HDMI to HD SDI scaler, and an HD SDI to HDMI scaler. There were DVI versions as well. They all use VXP processing, and perform very well. Why they never made an HDMI to HDMI version I will never know, I think they would have made a killing. Anyway, this new produt looks like what I 've been anticipating for some time.

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=4211

http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=4211

Nick
post #38 of 432
I can't imagine they would have a new scaler come out in 2008 for 699 msrp and have it only do 480 resolutions... Of course it will do 1080i...
post #39 of 432
I pre-ordered mine and took a chance with valleyseek. The guy seemed great, told me if I preorder I can lock in the price and my card wont be charged until it ships. Im sure but after speaking to gefen, it does not sound like they anticipate a price drop anytime soon as theres alot of hype around the unit, and the guy from valleyseek said pricing will probably change near release date. So I gambled and locked it in for 498.
post #40 of 432
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

I think it works on 1080i sources, according to the pdf it will properly deinterlace 1080i, regarldess the reon in my xa2 did everything including scaling to 720p, the best I have seen.

What do we define as "properly deinterlace 1080i"?

For native 1080p content, it should recover the original frames, and for film content it should provide the option of output at 24p. For video frame rate content, it should offer 60p output.

Then there's actual 1080i content. That requires quite a bit more effort as you can't truly deinterlace this content. You need Motion Compensation for that.

Cheers,
post #41 of 432
Yes but there were not alot of details...

The pdf on the other thread gives this list.

Features
• Input Formats:
-NTSC/PAL/SECAM
-HD up to 1080p
• Output Formats:
-720p, 1080p and WXGA (1366 x 768)
• 3D video decoder for optimal NTSC/PAL/SECAM video quality
• HDMI 1.3 Rx and Tx with Deep Color and xvYCC color gamut support
• True 10-bit HQV video processing
• Motion adaptive four field de-interlacing for SD and HD input resolutions
• AnyNoise(TM)-Automatically detects the different type of noise and applies the appropriate per
pixel based noise reduction algorithm.
• AnyCadence(TM)-Automatically detects all different cadences including 3:2:3:2:2 and animation
• MDDF (Multi Directional Diagonal Filtering) to eliminate jaggies for both SD and HD input resolutions
• Lips sync audio delay
• HQV Detail Enhancement-Processes the SD input image quality to approach HD output image quality
post #42 of 432
Sounds good enough for me...
post #43 of 432
Do we know what kind of AR control this has (input/output aspect ratios, cropping, shifting)?

How about control, like RS232?
post #44 of 432
I emailed gefen about aspect ratio and got no reply, thats one thing I would really like.
post #45 of 432
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

Yes but there were not alot of details...

The pdf on the other thread gives this list.

Detecting a cadence doesn't mean it will output the original frame sequence at its original rate.
post #46 of 432
What's the point of detecting it if you're just going to ignore it anyway?
post #47 of 432
Reconstructing progressive frames without combing, or unnecessarilly dropping to video mode.
post #48 of 432
stanger:

I'm glad someone understood me without having to explain it
post #49 of 432
I just really want to be able to compare it to the REON chip in the 905 as well as other VPs. I am at a point now where it is getting harder and harder for me to justify a high end VP in my set up. If this HT Scaler PRO with Realta vastly improves DirecTV and DTHEATER then it will be in my set up.
post #50 of 432
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I just really want to be able to compare it to the REON chip in the 905 as well as other VPs. I am at a point now where it is getting harder and harder for me to justify a high end VP in my set up. If this HT Scaler PRO with Realta vastly improves DirecTV and DTHEATER then it will be in my set up.

+1

I'll need something for upstairs once I get a larger TV, but I don't think I can justify another Crystalio. I'll keep following this thread.
post #51 of 432
Until I caught a wiff of this, I was all set to buy an Onkyo TX-SR875. If this thing would significantly outperform the Reon, I might just go with an 805 feeding the video through one of these. It would end up costing about the same as an 875 but would (theoretically at this point) have better video processing.
post #52 of 432
Anyone know if this'll take a 50Hz signal and output it at 60Hz? Preferably 1080p@60. I'm guessing the WXGA mode might force 60Hz.

I want this because judder doesn't bother me too much, and I want to eliminate porch issues with 50Hz output. Pity it doesn't allow for custom timings.
post #53 of 432
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Originally Posted by Last Ride View Post

Until I caught a wiff of this, I was all set to buy an Onkyo TX-SR875. If this thing would significantly outperform the Reon, I might just go with an 805 feeding the video through one of these. It would end up costing about the same as an 875 but would (theoretically at this point) have better video processing.

I have the 805 and I am looking at doing the same. Also I think Joerod kept his 805. This should make a nice pair. Performing better than the 875 and 905.
post #54 of 432
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Originally Posted by Last Ride View Post

Until I caught a wiff of this, I was all set to buy an Onkyo TX-SR875. If this thing would significantly outperform the Reon, I might just go with an 805 feeding the video through one of these. It would end up costing about the same as an 875 but would (theoretically at this point) have better video processing.

I'm in the same situation. Was getting ready to buy the 875 in part because of the HQV VP but now I'm thinking of different combinations.
post #55 of 432
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Originally Posted by Mr772 View Post

I'm in the same situation. Was getting ready to buy the 875 in part because of the HQV VP but now I'm thinking of different combinations.

What about the Marantz SR7001 or SR8001? Granted they aren't HDMI 1.3, but I'm not sure I'm sold on that hype anyway. They still will pass 1080p, and when coupled with the subject of this thread, would be about the same price as an Onkyo 875/905.
post #56 of 432
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Originally Posted by Last Ride View Post

What about the Marantz SR7001 or SR8001? Granted they aren't HDMI 1.3, but I'm not sure I'm sold on that hype anyway. They still will pass 1080p, and when coupled with the subject of this thread, would be about the same price as an Onkyo 875/905.

The 805 will pass 1080P. I am looking for a unit that will do a good job upconverting 480i and 480P to 720P for my projector or 1080P for my TV.
post #57 of 432
So I'm looking for a solution to hook up xbox/component, ps2/component, gc/component, dreamcast/composite to a WXGA native display. I'm a n00b on this topic -- so these consoles output at 240p and not 480i/NTSC? ... i'm confused.

So I should be looking for something that accepts 240p and scales it? Will something that only does 480i have acceptable performance ?
post #58 of 432
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

The 805 will pass 1080P. I am looking for a unit that will do a good job upconverting 480i and 480P to 720P for my projector or 1080P for my TV.


Right, but I'm wondering if the Marantz units will offer an upgrade in sound, less heat, and/or generally perform more bug-free than the 805. The Marantz units will allow you to pass all video through HDMI which you could send to the Gefen and have it scaled appropriately. Am I offbase on this?
post #59 of 432
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Originally Posted by Last Ride View Post

What about the Marantz SR7001 or SR8001? Granted they aren't HDMI 1.3, but I'm not sure I'm sold on that hype anyway. They still will pass 1080p, and when coupled with the subject of this thread, would be about the same price as an Onkyo 875/905.

I will check out Marantz. I can get them factory direct along with Onkyo, Denon, Yamaha, Sony and Harmon Kardon so those are the companies I am choosing from though the HK's seem over priced compared to the others.

You suggested Marantz SR7001/SR8001 because you own one? Out of the list above do you have any other suggestions about other models I should look into for comparison?
post #60 of 432
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Originally Posted by Mr772 View Post

I will check out Marantz. I can get them factory direct along with Onkyo, Denon, Yamaha, Sony and Harmon Kardon so those are the companies I am choosing from though the HK's seem over priced compared to the others.

You suggested Marantz SR7001/SR8001 because you own one? Out of the list above do you have any other suggestions about other models I should look into for comparison?

No, I currently own an Onkyo TX-SR800. It's served me well, but everything now will connect through HDMI, so I want to take advantage of that. I've just heard really good things about Marantz in the sound department. I figure if you get an upgrade in sound from the receiver and an upgrade in video from the Gefen, it's a win/win. Must be nice to get factory direct pricing on such a wide range!

FWIW, I owned a lower end Harmon Kardon several years back and didn't really care for it. Underpowered and soft-sounding, if that makes any sense. I've been meaning to try them out again as they seem to get good reviews, but they are priced pretty high. YMMV
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