Gefen TV Scaler Pro with Realta - Page 11

No it will not be better than a good implementation of the Realta, but I knew what I was getting with the Marantz and the Gefen is still an unknown. It may be better (it should be) but it will not be much better. I really like the image from the 12S4.

July is only a couple of weeks away and I haven't seen any new release news. Anyone have any updates?

Nothing much at the Gefen forums either. Last post on this item there was on 6/10 and it was an explanation of a simple feature.

Word???

Anyone else notice that the ValleySeek site is down lately??

a rep from gefen just told me it will no longer be released, due to poor implementation of the reon chip (on their part) and lack of support needed for firmware updates. oh well.

Can't say I'm super surprised.

Talk about pulling the plug very early... If they were going to cancel it they should have never even announced it to begin with...

Interesting twist.

Wow, SO disappointed.

Better they pulled it than another sub par product. After how the Home Theater Scaler turned out, now this, I kind of have a weary feeling about Gefen in this department. Guess I need to save up for one of the big boys.

edit: ah ok, all lies. Hope this unit is as good as it should be.

you mean the 'realta' chip?

their hdmi audio processor was supposed to be released around the same time. i hope its still on schedule.

wait... FOR REAL?

ack ack ack! now i'm annoyed.

I just emailed tech support at gefen about this rumor, and this is what he had to say on the topic:

"This is untrue. The Home Theater Scaler Pro, formerly part number
GTV-HTC-PRO, has had its part number changed to GTV-S-PRO. This is maybe
where some confusion has come about. As of now a release date has not been
announced, but rest assured that the scaler unit with the HQV chip is indeed
still on track for release."

rumors are dangerous... please be careful with what you say.

good catch! thanks!
i would have called them tomorrow anyway but now i wont have to.

i stand corrected. i guess one shouldn't believe everything they hear. hahaha. glad tech support cleared that part # change. im sure thats what it was about and the message got twisted down the way.

at least some talk has started back on this thread. im now really looking forward to this unit. if it delivers and their is support for firmware updates, i think it will be a hit at its price point.

no worries fellas. i puckered up for a few hours there... my evil plan for my system is all set and i really didn't want to change things!

i'm very freakin excited about this scaler, and the pioneer 51fd i'm also waiting on

I guess that begs the question! What's your evil plan? (i'm always looking for more evil plans myself)

Acccording to the Gefen reps on the Gefen forum, it's supposed to be released by sometime in July.

i had a marantz bd8002 ordered and was all excited about it, but at the same time, hesitant. i've learned to trust my instincts and mine were telling me i wasn't doing the right thing.

i mean, i love high end equipment but i also am a logical person... $1500 for an awesome unit that can only improve my SD and BD picture? What about my HD satellite?

so i did a search on outboard scalers using realta and found the gefen... holy hoot!

then i wanted (don't have one) a good BD player that outputs native resolutions, looks gorgeous, and at least bitsreams the lossless codecs (i have a denon avr3808), and found the pioneer 51fd! perfect!

the super cool thing? both of those items together cost less than the marantz (even at the introductory discount). and i can enjoy realta processing on all my sources! how friggin cool is that?

oh yeah, the TV is a sony kds-55a3000 (i love this tv!). i'm running full 7.1 with some mixed speakers- i will address that next year with some custom-made scan-speak revelators (yum yum). for now, the audessey in the avr does a good job of taming and tuning my mishmash of speakers (two of which i built from a partsexpress kit).

oh, and i'm enjoying the new harmony one remote i just bought too

Heh, remotes and BD players -- I've been a model of edge-of-my-seat patience waiting on both (the new RTI T-3V remote and probably one of the coming Pioneers), ever since overhauling my system nearly a year ago. Anyyyyy "day" now... Your satellite comment is why I've been tracking this thread for several months, myself. Looking forward to the after-action reports regarding SD content. Looks like the new RTI remote will be out first, but I don't want to pay to have it programmed twice, so that wagon's hitched to whenever our BD players get here... Can't wait to see what my Pio 6010 really looks like.

So, in summation, contrary to rumors, this unit is still be produced, and should ship in (mid-late) July, 2008?

as far as i know there was only one rumor, and yes that's what i'm told. i've ordered mine and am patiently waiting

I spoke with one of the Gefen reps at Infocomm last Friday...

He claims they are having some technical "issues" that need to be resolved and it might be delayed until the end of the year or the first of next year....

Of course, it is also possible that he is not the most knowledgeable person on the issue... but I thought I should forward this possibly disappointing news.

mixed messages galore!

please keep us updated. referencing your sources is helpful too.

thanks

This product is sounding more like 3D Realms with Duke Nukem Forever.

"It'll be ready when it's ready..."

But you know you'll never see it for years... if that.

oh damnit :\\

I gave up on this. For the same price I am going with the flea, I think it will work better for me anyway especially with noise and sharpen.

If you were waiting for this device mainly for dvd, tv, and HDTV, I think the algolith flea will work better.

As good as hqv is in noise reduction and sharpening they still come in second to algolith flea from what I seen and read. The flea specializes in more noise reduction, and sharpen. It does not scale or deinterlace like this scaler. However for DVD an a30 can be purchased cheaply like im doing and contains ABT scaling and deinterlacing, on par with the realta and reon. For tv thankfully my w5000 has a great deinterlacer thats very sharp. And as far as scaling I cant use the scaling with the realta due to dishnetwork and bell only allowing one output (mine is set to 1080i).

I seen what this can do and it works excellent, I think paired with an A30 for scaling, and using the flea noise reduction and sharpen its going to be even better then my XA2 with reon. The noise reduction is far more advanced and has many different settings, as well as an excellent sharpen device.

This device also does 1080p/24, although it cant do 1080p/60, but it will work on particularly noisy Blue ray or hd dvd, there is some people who dont believe that hd dvd and blue ray should use processing, but I seen it work on a couple blue ray's that were older or suffered from noise and it still improved the picture although very low settings were applied, you dont really want to process high def media very much, and some even say it shouldnt be touched at all.

Of course if you watch a variety of video dvd's that need things like proper cadence detection, and you have difficult video to deinterlace then the flea wouldnt be for you.

I saw the A30 recently and it didn't look nearly as good as the reon in the Toshiba XA2 that they had hooked up for SD content. Maybe it was that exact setup or something. I don't know.

I have owned xa2 for 2 years, seen my neighbors A30, upscaling was equal in my opinion, however the xa2 was better because of excellent noise reduction, I used mosquito, random, and set sharpen to 1. As a single unit it was better then the A30 because of noise and sharpen, I seen both on 106 inch screen.

There are quite a few debates about which is better for pure scaling, the reon xa2, or the abt in the third gen units. A few even swear Xa1 was the best, which I also owned and was also excellent, for pure scaling its very difficult to tell when you get a good scaler.

Obviously with algolith flea hooked up to the a30, even more advanced noise and sharpen, it should be similar to xa2, if not better, its much more customizable then the xa2.

Kind of getting OT here, but...

I own the A2, A35, Oppo 983 and used to own an XA1. I'd say the XA1 and A2 were almost identical. The A35 was slightly, yet noticeably better. The Oppo was even better, I absolutely love that machine. Not sharper than the A35, but MUCH cleaner. (50" 1366x768 Samsung Plasma.)