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post #61 of 432
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Originally Posted by Last Ride View Post

Right, but I'm wondering if the Marantz units will offer an upgrade in sound, less heat, and/or generally perform more bug-free than the 805. The Marantz units will allow you to pass all video through HDMI which you could send to the Gefen and have it scaled appropriately. Am I offbase on this?

The 805 does this also. I currently have HD set top box (HDMI) to 805 AVR, HD DVD player (HDMI) to 805 AVR, DVD player (component/optical) to 805 AVR. All video signals are set to pass through. From my 805 AVR I output a single HDMI to a 4x2 Monoprice HDMI switch. I output two HDMI cables from the Monoprice 4x2 switch. One cable to TV and the other to my projector.

I am trying to decide if it would be better to place the Gefen Pro unit before my 805 AVR or after my AVR. If placed before the AVR I would run everything through the Gefen unit except for the HD DVD player. If placed after my AVR I would only have one HDMI running into the Gefen unit and one HDMI going from the Gefen unit to my 4x2 switch. Which method would be best? Either way I think I will have to change resolution output on the Gefen unit since I need 720P for projector and 1080P for TV.
post #62 of 432
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

The 805 does this also. I currently have HD set top box (HDMI) to 805 AVR, HD DVD player (HDMI) to 805 AVR, DVD player (component/optical) to 805 AVR. All video signals are set to pass through. From my 805 AVR I output a single HDMI to a 4x2 Monoprice HDMI switch. I output two HDMI cables from the Monoprice 4x2 switch. One cable to TV and the other to my projector.

I am trying to decide if it would be better to place the Gefen Pro unit before my 805 AVR or after my AVR. If placed before the AVR I would run everything through the Gefen unit except for the HD DVD player. If placed after my AVR I would only have one HDMI running into the Gefen unit and one HDMI going from the Gefen unit to my 4x2 switch. Which method would be best? Either way I think I will have to change resolution output on the Gefen unit since I need 720P for projector and 1080P for TV.

Man, we've got the same setup, Sony 720p RPTV, Epson 1080UB (on loan from local hifi shop), Onkyo 805, using PS3 and HD-A2...my only problem is I think my DVDs could be scaled/deinterlaced better. Let me know how the Gefen TV Scaler Pro works when you get it (or anyone else for that matter), and I've also wondered whether it would be better to put the Gefen in front of the 805 or behind it in the signal path...again, let me know what you find out.
post #63 of 432
I will let you guys know, I placed a preorder from valleyseek today for the 498 price, as it already went up the other day to 508. Gefen did not expect street prices to be much lower at all then the MRSP of 699 since its going to be a hot item. I ended up selling my xa2 somehow for what I paid for it the other day, and purchased an A2 for 60 dollars to pass 480i over hdmi to the scaler.

I also run a monoprice matrix switch with PS3, A2, 360 elite, and HD PVR to my RX-V661 receiver. I think I am going to place it after my receiver. Although I dont really think it will matter, since the device can also pass the latest audio formats. I will try both though and see which works better.
post #64 of 432
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

I will let you guys know, I placed a preorder from valleyseek today for the 498 price, as it already went up the other day to 508. Gefen did not expect street prices to be much lower at all then the MRSP of 699 since its going to be a hot item. I ended up selling my xa2 somehow for what I paid for it the other day, and purchased an A2 for 60 dollars to pass 480i over hdmi to the scaler.

I also run a monoprice matrix switch with PS3, A2, 360 elite, and HD PVR to my RX-V661 receiver. I think I am going to place it after my receiver. Although I dont really think it will matter, since the device can also pass the latest audio formats. I will try both though and see which works better.

How did you get the $498 price? I went to the website, and it says $508 until you add it to the cart. Then it jumps to $568!!
post #65 of 432
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Originally Posted by Last Ride View Post

How did you get the $498 price? I went to the website, and it says $508 until you add it to the cart. Then it jumps to $568!!

and then shipping on top of that
post #66 of 432
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

I will let you guys know, I placed a preorder from valleyseek today for the 498 price, as it already went up the other day to 508. Gefen did not expect street prices to be much lower at all then the MRSP of 699 since its going to be a hot item. I ended up selling my xa2 somehow for what I paid for it the other day, and purchased an A2 for 60 dollars to pass 480i over hdmi to the scaler.

I also run a monoprice matrix switch with PS3, A2, 360 elite, and HD PVR to my RX-V661 receiver. I think I am going to place it after my receiver. Although I dont really think it will matter, since the device can also pass the latest audio formats. I will try both though and see which works better.

Why do you need to pass the 480i over HDMI to the scaler? Looking at the back of the scaler it will take 480i anyway you can get it to it.
post #67 of 432
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

Why do you need to pass the 480i over HDMI to the scaler? Looking at the back of the scaler it will take 480i anyway you can get it to it.

two less D/A and A/D conversions.
post #68 of 432
I was thinking that I would bypass the Genfen with my HD DVD player, but if I use the HD DVD player for SD DVD then I need to run it through the Genfen. Will the Genfen automatically pass 1080P and scale 480P on the same HDMI input or would I have to change a setting each time I switch from an HD DVD to an SD DVD?
post #69 of 432
They said it would pass 1080p but if you have it on 480p im not sure if it would downscale or just go right through. IM guessing it will go right through though.

I had made an agreement to purchase when it was 498 already with the owner. He had sent me an invoice to pay a couple days ago and I paid it today since I did not have time. The guy from valleyseek was very good, he said my card would not be charged until it ships.

I still would not pass up the deal, all I know is gefen has it msrp at 699 and when I spoke to them they said customers were already getting a great deal and they were not expecting a reduced price with all the hype. Which is true. And I dont know many ways to get gefen products other then there website. But valleyseek worked well so far, the guy actually responded to me with concerns more then gefen did.
post #70 of 432
Actually I still get 508 when I add it to the cart, are you sure the extra is not for shipping.
post #71 of 432
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

Actually I still get 508 when I add it to the cart, are you sure the extra is not for shipping.

Absolutely. Shipping adds anywhere from $12-80....

Update: It's now back down to $508. I made a call last night, but it was probably afterhours.
post #72 of 432
If the GefenTV Pro can deliver on high quality scaling at that price point they will be flying off the shelf. I think this product will fill a huge nitch in the new world full of lcd and plasma displays.
post #73 of 432
If it does do per input adjustments then it sure would have been nice to have a few more inputs.....

As it only has two I think I would have to run everything to my AVR (4-HDMI inputs) and then out to the Gefen, before moving on to the projector.
post #74 of 432
My gameplan would be to do HD DVD and Blu ray straight into my 905 receiver then run DirecTV and DTHEATER into the Gefen scaler first (since they are 1080i)... The less my Blu ray and HD DVD needs to run thru the better. I thought about getting a gefen 2X2 and then sending one into the 905 for audio then the other steraight to my PJ but that adds another thing to turn on... I still may try that one day... But first I want to try the scaler...
post #75 of 432
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

My gameplan would be to do HD DVD and Blu ray straight into my 905 receiver then run DirecTV and DTHEATER into the Gefen scaler first (since they are 1080i)... The less my Blu ray and HD DVD needs to run thru the better. I thought about getting a gefen 2X2 and then sending one into the 905 for audio then the other steraight to my PJ but that adds another thing to turn on... I still may try that one day... But first I want to try the scaler...

Do you watch any SD DVD's? If so are you planning on using another DVD player that runs through the Gefen unit?
post #76 of 432
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

Do you watch any SD DVD's? If so are you planning on using another DVD player that runs through the Gefen unit?

It's my understanding that the PS3 does a good job of upscaling SD DVD's. Would it still benefit from running through the Gefen? My plan is to feed all my HDMI inputs through the Gefen via my receiver (most likely a Marantz SR8001 or an Integra DTR-7.8), but I'm beginning to wonder if I should just run my Xbox 360 and VIP 622 through the Gefen and then through the receiver. Then I would just run the PS3 directly to the receiver. Any thoughts?
post #77 of 432
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Originally Posted by Last Ride View Post

It's my understanding that the PS3 does a good job of upscaling SD DVD's......

Any thoughts?

It does an excellent job of scaling SD-DVD, particularly film based movies. It does not, however, do a fantastic job with de-interlacing SD-DVD's which can be a major issue with video or 'mixed' content. Take a look at the sticky PS3 thread in the Blu Ray section for more info.
post #78 of 432
I decided to pre-order, it shows $508, but once I placed it in my cart it showed $665. No way I am going to pay MSRP for a pre-order.
post #79 of 432
Valleyseek emailed me that price had been corrected. I placed in cart and it was back to $508. I went ahead and ordered.
post #80 of 432
I will be using a Denon 3800 BDCI for my SD dvd playback. It should handle it.
post #81 of 432
i'm interested in this unit too.

if i can find a blu-ray player that does analog audio properly (other than the denon), but doesn't have terrific upscaling, this might be the way i go.

i could then run my comcast HD DVR through it as well.

if it had two HDMI outs, that would be good (one to my TV one to a projector).

as someone mentioned earlier, i'd like to send the blu-ray 1080p24 directly to the projector, but upscale the SD DVD's. i wonder if that will be possible.

if there is only one HDMI out, i would need a 1:2 HDMI switch.

since the tv is 1080p60 and the projector has 1080p24, i wonder if that's going to raise issues, either with this scaler, or with this scaler and the switcher, if i need one.

this is getting confusing.
post #82 of 432
Due to the limited number of inputs, I think I will have to use this after my AVR.
post #83 of 432
I hope Gefen does a better job with this scaler than they did with their HTS line.
post #84 of 432
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

Due to the limited number of inputs, I think I will have to use this after my AVR.

Yeah, but I would rather have it that way and not worry about potential issues in passing high data rate multichannel PCM audio through the box. It provides a good peace of mind in knowing that the audio path from the player to the AVR is as straightforward as possible.

Since this type of connectivity is to be expected, multiple image profiles that can be applied to any input would be really useful. I would also like to see some sort of CUE correction, as well as elaborate edge enhancement/noise reduction adjustments similar to what Denon does for their HQV implementations.
post #85 of 432
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Originally Posted by MSmith83 View Post

Yeah, but I would rather have it that way and not worry about potential issues in passing high data rate multichannel PCM audio through the box. It provides a good peace of mind in knowing that the audio path from the player to the AVR is as straightforward as possible.

Since this type of connectivity is to be expected, multiple image profiles that can be applied to any input would be really useful. I would also like to see some sort of CUE correction, as well as elaborate edge enhancement/noise reduction adjustments similar to what Denon does for their HQV implementations.

I would like that also, but I don't think that is going to happen for $500.00.
post #86 of 432
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

I would like that also, but I don't think that is going to happen for $500.00.

True. However, this link shows that this processor will incorporate the Realta's optional "eWARP2" processing algorithm for certain projector applications. Considering Gefen went through the trouble of adding this, there may be hope for other advanced features (e.g., CUE correction and multiple profiles for each input) that we could really use.
post #87 of 432
Yes but how many inputs are there going to be. If it is like their other scalers there won't be more than two HDMI and one component.
post #88 of 432
It will apparently have just two HDMI inputs, which is why I am hoping for multiple image profiles that aren't slaved to any one particular input. For instance, I would like three image profiles to select from just for one of the two HDMI inputs.
post #89 of 432
I only plan to use it with DirecTV and DTHEATER so having 2 HDMI inputs will work. Of course 3 would have been much better.
post #90 of 432
When I asked them they said 1080p/24 would just pass through the scaler.

Gefen is also not developing this, the hqv processing that comes with the chip is given to them by silicon optix unless they add there own from what I understand, in that case anyway cypress I believe is putting these together. Gefen is just marketing them.
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