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post #1 of 16
1/27/08 at 4:43am
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This may be a local issue (TWC, Raleigh, NC), but in case it's not, I thought I would ask this question. TNT HD is the only HD channel that I have this problem with incidentally. During the course of a commercial break, the resolution will change several times. From 1080i to 720p to 480i, back to 1080i then 480i and 720p. Each time this happens, my TV has to "resolve" this resolution change, which takes a couple of seconds per change. Occasionally, the changes happen so often that my TV gives up and just displays a white screen. This is annoying as h@##. Is anyone else experiencing this or is it just me?
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post #2 of 16
1/27/08 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by tommy122 View Post

This may be a local issue (TWC, Raleigh, NC), but in case it's not, I thought I would ask this question. TNT HD is the only HD channel that I have this problem with incidentally. During the course of a commercial break, the resolution will change several times. From 1080i to 720p to 480i, back to 1080i then 480i and 720p. Each time this happens, my TV has to "resolve" this resolution change, which takes a couple of seconds per change. Occasionally, the changes happen so often that my TV gives up and just displays a white screen. This is annoying as h@##. Is anyone else experiencing this or is it just me?

Time Warner Mid-Ohio here.

I have turned on TNT Stretchovision (as I call it) and Seven is on.

The next time you experience an issue, tell me what is airing (or supposed to be airing, and if it's during the movie, describe the scene) and I'll see if it happens to me at that same point.

I'll be on until I get sleepy and go to bed, so let's hope we can get something resolved.
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post #3 of 16
1/27/08 at 5:00am
Next commercial break after I posted (near 8 a.m. EST mark)...

Advil Cold and Sinus = No issues.
Got Milk = No issues.
Dell XPS w/ Intel (girls working on car engine) = No issues.
Benefiber = No issues.
Law and Order mini-marathon promo = No issues.
Bipolar Disorder, use Abilify = No issues.
Raisin Bran Crunch = No issues.
Stouffer's dinners = No issues.
Tropicana orange juice = No issues.

Back to the movie with Brad Pitt bloodied in the hallway talking to Morgan Freeman, moments before Pitt kicked down a door with his hand in his shirt.
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post #4 of 16
1/27/08 at 5:14am
Commercial break near 8:10 a.m. EST...

Bones on TNT beginning Tuesday = No issues.
Alli (diet pill) = No issues.
Valentine's Day AT&T Blackjack 2 = No issues.
KY Jelly = No issues.
Preview for movie "Roscoe Jenkins" = No issues.
The Laughing Cow cheese = No issues.
Purell = No issues.
Excedrin = No issues.
Enbrel etanercept medicine for psoriasis = No issues.
The Closer on TNT = No issues.

Back to the movie and a police officer is escorting Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman down some steps into a red-colored light hallway, into a room with "Lust" on the door.
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post #5 of 16
1/27/08 at 5:17am
You can thank your "friends" at Time Warner for this one. Most likely it's TW inserting local commercials. They recently started doing it here in NE Ohio. It's annyoing b/c parts of programs have been cut off. I haven't noticed resolution changes, probably since I have my 8300 set to force 1080i. But I have noticed that audio changes from 3/2.1 to 2/0. Also there are black sidebars, as commercials should be.
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post #6 of 16
1/27/08 at 5:21am
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Originally Posted by nickdawg View Post

You can thank your "friends" at Time Warner for this one. Most likely it's TW inserting local commercials. They recently started doing it here in NE Ohio. It's annyoing b/c parts of programs have been cut off. I haven't noticed resolution changes, probably since I have my 8300 set to force 1080i. But I have noticed that audio changes from 3/2.1 to 2/0. Also there are black sidebars, as commercials should be.

Off-topic a bit but sometimes I feel lost when it comes to my HDTV setup. I just turn it on and it works and looks good for me, but the terminology and descriptions and stuff you guys say makes me feel like... well, a scrawny kid who walks into the locker room for the first time before gym class and feels so out of place with all the buff jocks. I'm trying to learn but I feel so way behind, like I need to take HD101, lol.

Sorry if I didn't make sense there.
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post #7 of 16
1/27/08 at 5:27am
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Originally Posted by cj1999y2j View Post

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Back to the movie with Brad Pitt bloodied in the hallway talking to Morgan Freeman, moments before Pitt kicked down a door with his hand in his shirt.

Now that I am paying closer attention, the break that started at 8:09AM changed resolution several times. These resolution changes only occurred with local commercials, i.e. local Ford dealership commercial 720p, etc. Apparently TWC inserts these commercials at whatever resolution they were recorded in with no attempt to convert them. (I'm just assuming that TWC is doing the inserting). The only thing that I can't figure out is why it only happens on TNT. There are local commercials/promos on other HD channels without the resolution changes.
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post #8 of 16
1/27/08 at 5:33am
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Originally Posted by tommy122 View Post

Now that I am paying closer attention, the break that started at 8:09AM changed resolution several times. These resolution changes only occurred with local commercials, i.e. local Ford dealership commercial 720p, etc. Apparently TWC inserts these commercials at whatever resolution they were recorded in with no attempt to convert them. (I'm just assuming that TWC is doing the inserting). The only thing that I can't figure out is why it only happens on TNT. There are local commercials/promos on other HD channels without the resolution changes.

Next commercials just after 8:20 a.m. EST...

Hertz green collection = No issues.
AT&T more bars in more places = No issues.
Silverstar Ultra headlights = No issues.
Breezes Resorts = No issues.
CiCi's Pizza = No issues.
Miller Chill = No issues.
The Laughing Cow cheese = No issues.
Splenda = No issues.
Astrive student loans = No issues.
Screen Actor's Guild Awards promo = No issues.

Back to the movie with a scene showing fingerprints and a guy dipping a tea bag into a cup over and over.


Now... after reading your post, nickdawg's suggestion that local commercials may be screwing it up is something to look into. But I can tell you that through three commercial breaks, I haven't had any issues at all, and I also notice that I've had no local commercials shown at all. So I think we've pegged it to your local TNT HD feed and the insertion of local commercials.

That said, since TBS and TNT are the same company, have you ever had issues with TBS Stretchovision HD? Just a random thought that came to mind.
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post #9 of 16
1/27/08 at 5:37am
Now you got me interested. I flipped over to TNT HD and set my box to allow all resolutions. Now all I gotta do is wait for the commercial...

Thatwould be interesting to see. A HD channel changing resolutions.
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post #10 of 16
1/27/08 at 6:00am
How many other hd channels do you have in NC? Here in Akron we have TNT/TBS both 1080i as well as ESPN/ESPN2 both 720p. Since the local commercial insertion is new, I doubt they have separate commercials for 720/1080. They use the same feed upscaled for HD. The head-end probably has one HD encoder(since they cost in 100K+)

We also have one 1/0 channel(VH-1) that switches to 2/0 for local commercials.
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post #11 of 16
1/27/08 at 6:28am
My TNT finally swithced to local programming. Even with all resolutions enabled, it stayed on 1080i, so the commercials must be upscaled to 1080i here. Now I'm trying to catch a commercial on ESPN to see what happens with 720p.
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post #12 of 16
1/27/08 at 6:37am
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Originally Posted by nickdawg View Post

How many other hd channels do you have in NC? Here in Akron we have TNT/TBS both 1080i as well as ESPN/ESPN2 both 720p. Since the local commercial insertion is new, I doubt they have separate commercials for 720/1080. They use the same feed upscaled for HD. The head-end probably has one HD encoder(since they cost in 100K+)

We also have one 1/0 channel(VH-1) that switches to 2/0 for local commercials.

Here in Raleigh, I have 23 HD channels through TWC. This includes the network HD's and premiums such as HDNet, HBO, etc. Some of these are HD in name only and rarely have HD content, such as MyTV.

TNT is the only one that I have this "changing resolution issue". It may occur on TBSHD also but I seldom watch it so I can't say for sure.
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post #13 of 16
1/27/08 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by tommy122 View Post

Is anyone else experiencing this or is it just me?

I see it too. I recently wrote a post about it in the Raleigh thread.
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post #14 of 16
1/27/08 at 7:29am
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Originally Posted by Erik Garci View Post

I see it too. I recently wrote a post about it in the Raleigh thread.

I read your post in the Raleigh thread. Responses to your post there seem to lay the blame on TNT. It seems to me that if the changing resolution issue was caused by TNT, it would be nationwide rather than locally. This leads me back to Raleigh TWC being the culprit. I don't know. That's why I started this thread hoping to figure it out and, hopefully, find a solution.
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post #15 of 16
1/27/08 at 8:22am
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Originally Posted by tommy122 View Post

Now that I am paying closer attention, the break that started at 8:09AM changed resolution several times. These resolution changes only occurred with local commercials, i.e. local Ford dealership commercial 720p, etc. Apparently TWC inserts these commercials at whatever resolution they were recorded in with no attempt to convert them. (I'm just assuming that TWC is doing the inserting). The only thing that I can't figure out is why it only happens on TNT. There are local commercials/promos on other HD channels without the resolution changes.

By deduction, it must be your local TWC. It's not TNT HD; everything they pass is 1080i, either native or upconverted & stretched.
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post #16 of 16
1/27/08 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

By deduction, it must be your local TWC. It's not TNT HD; everything they pass is 1080i, either native or upconverted & stretched.

I think so also. I sent my local TWC office a nasty note about this. I'm sure that they will be falling all over themselves to resolve this issue
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