Hi Guys,
I've sent many email and PMs to various people in answer to questions about the TVONE units, Here seems better use of my FREE time to answer items in one go for all to read.
I will do my best here to add any info about the TV ONE 7000 series that I can.
I have running here a pair of Barco Cine9 with TV ONE C2-7200 dual channel scaler.
The 7200 adds HD SDI input and output, the rest is the same as the 7100.
the 7210 and 7110 add many more front panel buttons for direct access of features.
I use the 7200 with a single Jog wheel with push to enter, this is very simple to use and my first blend was up and running within 15 minutes of arrival of the 7200.
TVONE units that are able to edge blend can be found here
http://www.tvone.com/edgeblending.shtml
BASIC Blending setup on the TVONE is details here
http://tvone.crmdesk.com/answer.aspx?id=199 - WITHIN v2 of the 7000 series manual
http://tvone.crmdesk.com/image.aspx?mode=file&id=306 - Actual Edge Blending link
Here are some recent quotes and my opinions
1. Terry as you came from the Di Ventix first I think this slowed down your initial time to work out the basic control of the unit. For me I started with the TVONE unit and very quickly got the blend running (15 minutes) - I am guessing you did not have the TVONE Basic blend guide to hand as that tells you how to setup from first opening the box.
2. 1080p60 /1080p24 input : This has been asked many times and as time has gone on I believe this area of requirement has changed.
18 months ago I bought an XA1 HD DVD player which was able to output 1080i60, at the time best player on the market. TVONE WONT upscale 1080i signal, so I used an external scaler to do 1080i to 1080p conversion. TODAY technology has moved on, I now use a Sony S1 Blu Ray player with 1080p24 output, I also have an XE1 capable of 1080p24 output (Currently not able to FORCE 1080p24), these go into HD FUry units and into the TVONE. NO external scaler required, The TVONE will up the refresh rate from 24Hz to 72Hz and output via the RGBHV output.
Tomorrow ish! (Or when it arrives) I will go from XE1 and S1 into a Moome External box that allows DIGITAL HDMI connection to the TVONE unit, this removes the HDCP and will keep the signal DIGITAL into the TVONE - (HD Fury is analogue out)
The TVONE is an up down and CROSS format scaler so DVI-D input to RGBHV output is possible
3. I will come back to RESOLUTIONS for the output later, But give some thought to considering specific reolutions you WANT , Rather than PC based standard options, the TVONE will do ANY resolution you want within its limits.
Setup Button ONE as Channel A / Channel B switch then you can flick between the SAME setting page on the LCD display for each output (Projector)
The settings are separate as the scaler is in "Independent" mode, separate settings are required as a number are specific to each projector, This also allows two totally different projectors to be used and setup for optimum use.
No, the TVONE unit is not HDCP compliant, as I understand because this unit allow you to add "Titles" over the image this changes the video content and so cant be HDCP compliant.
There are many HDCP products available to remove the HDCP issue "HD Fury" & "moome" products - PLEASE post about these in OTHER threads, Thank you.
I suggest 1080p24 as this is available DIRECT from HD Players. More consoles & HDTV will I'm sure offer 1080p24 in time.
Ratio changes can be done within the TVONE unit. Heres the EASY solution, setup internal MACRO use in the TVONE, press a button , or from your control system select the correct ratio for each film, for me 16:9, 2.35:1 2.4:1 as I use a fixed 2.35:1 screen. Inputs? there are NINE on the C2-7100 and ELEVEN on the C2-7200 units.
I have now moved away from an external scaler unit.
I think this brings us onto the topic of resolutions.
Could I ask that people try NOT to mention standard resolution like 1280x1024, 1600x1200 and other well known PC or HD resolutions - that almost! includes 1920x1080! Here is why.......
16:9 HD Film & Console games use ACTIVE resolution of 1920x1080
For now lets stick with films, I know people use games as well but I need to reduce the vast topics down to a few that I can find time to answer.
2.35:1 HD Films use only 1920x817 ACTIVE resolution, the rest is black bars.
2.4:1 HD Films use only 1920x800 ACTIVE resolution.
The majority of films are NOT 16:9 ratio.
So as a result of this I now have a fixed 2.35:1 Screen, I currently output 1080x817 to each projector, the TVONE has a PC based resolution editor that allows ANY resolution you want to be created.
1600x1200 Maybe if watching 2.4:1 then this is a sensible option. this would give you a picture 1.5 times the resolution of a 1920x800 2.4:1 image - BUT, this starts to eat up bandwidth, and it is accepted that increased bandwidth does soften the CRT image. So why not drop down to 1066x800 for 2.4:1 , NOT a standard resolution but ANY resolution can be created within the TVONE unit. Massive reduction in bandwidth and so much sharper picture.
The Resolution Editor is very quick and simple to use.
I have been requesting feature upgrades from TVONE that relate to blending, ALL features to date have been added. I still have a few more requests that are being worked on so I believe this product still has more to offer.
PLEASE NOTE : I do not work for TVONE so all above are my own opinions and should all be checked first!
All the best,
Andy.
I've sent many email and PMs to various people in answer to questions about the TVONE units, Here seems better use of my FREE time to answer items in one go for all to read.
I will do my best here to add any info about the TV ONE 7000 series that I can.
I have running here a pair of Barco Cine9 with TV ONE C2-7200 dual channel scaler.
The 7200 adds HD SDI input and output, the rest is the same as the 7100.
the 7210 and 7110 add many more front panel buttons for direct access of features.
I use the 7200 with a single Jog wheel with push to enter, this is very simple to use and my first blend was up and running within 15 minutes of arrival of the 7200.
TVONE units that are able to edge blend can be found here
http://www.tvone.com/edgeblending.shtml
BASIC Blending setup on the TVONE is details here
http://tvone.crmdesk.com/answer.aspx?id=199 - WITHIN v2 of the 7000 series manual
http://tvone.crmdesk.com/image.aspx?mode=file&id=306 - Actual Edge Blending link
Here are some recent quotes and my opinions
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuchuf 
With the C2-7000 it took me a few days to get my mind around how it works and sets up in that it uses individual controls for each of it's scalers to control everything. But once you get used to that, it's off to the races. If you change the blend zone size, the projectors stay in alignment which allows you to tweak the blend zone for good blending. You can set up macro's for three different setups for aspect ratio control. And get this, you can create individual resolutions and refresh rates so long as you stay with their pixel clock requirements. Adjusting the blend zone was a snap thing less that 10 min once the projectors were aligned.
One down side to the C2-7000 is that it will not accept 1080P60 as an input. The computer interface is OK but when blending still required setting the individual channels up rather that cone adjustment for say "gamma" in the blend zone. I guess there are +'s and -'s to this.
In this case we will be feeding it 1080P24 and then sending 1600 x 1200 @72hz to two G90 projectors for HD-DVD and BluRay playback. For HDTV we will send the unit 1080i60 and 720P60 and upscale.
Terry
With the C2-7000 it took me a few days to get my mind around how it works and sets up in that it uses individual controls for each of it's scalers to control everything. But once you get used to that, it's off to the races. If you change the blend zone size, the projectors stay in alignment which allows you to tweak the blend zone for good blending. You can set up macro's for three different setups for aspect ratio control. And get this, you can create individual resolutions and refresh rates so long as you stay with their pixel clock requirements. Adjusting the blend zone was a snap thing less that 10 min once the projectors were aligned.
One down side to the C2-7000 is that it will not accept 1080P60 as an input. The computer interface is OK but when blending still required setting the individual channels up rather that cone adjustment for say "gamma" in the blend zone. I guess there are +'s and -'s to this.
In this case we will be feeding it 1080P24 and then sending 1600 x 1200 @72hz to two G90 projectors for HD-DVD and BluRay playback. For HDTV we will send the unit 1080i60 and 720P60 and upscale.
Terry
1. Terry as you came from the Di Ventix first I think this slowed down your initial time to work out the basic control of the unit. For me I started with the TVONE unit and very quickly got the blend running (15 minutes) - I am guessing you did not have the TVONE Basic blend guide to hand as that tells you how to setup from first opening the box.
2. 1080p60 /1080p24 input : This has been asked many times and as time has gone on I believe this area of requirement has changed.
18 months ago I bought an XA1 HD DVD player which was able to output 1080i60, at the time best player on the market. TVONE WONT upscale 1080i signal, so I used an external scaler to do 1080i to 1080p conversion. TODAY technology has moved on, I now use a Sony S1 Blu Ray player with 1080p24 output, I also have an XE1 capable of 1080p24 output (Currently not able to FORCE 1080p24), these go into HD FUry units and into the TVONE. NO external scaler required, The TVONE will up the refresh rate from 24Hz to 72Hz and output via the RGBHV output.
Tomorrow ish! (Or when it arrives) I will go from XE1 and S1 into a Moome External box that allows DIGITAL HDMI connection to the TVONE unit, this removes the HDCP and will keep the signal DIGITAL into the TVONE - (HD Fury is analogue out)
The TVONE is an up down and CROSS format scaler so DVI-D input to RGBHV output is possible
3. I will come back to RESOLUTIONS for the output later, But give some thought to considering specific reolutions you WANT , Rather than PC based standard options, the TVONE will do ANY resolution you want within its limits.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuchuf
The hardest thing for me to get used to was the idea that the C2-7000 was two processors and you have to tweak each of them seperately any time you want to make a change. Heck I could even tun two different resolutions if I wanted in a blended situation.
Terry
The hardest thing for me to get used to was the idea that the C2-7000 was two processors and you have to tweak each of them seperately any time you want to make a change. Heck I could even tun two different resolutions if I wanted in a blended situation.
Terry
Setup Button ONE as Channel A / Channel B switch then you can flick between the SAME setting page on the LCD display for each output (Projector)
The settings are separate as the scaler is in "Independent" mode, separate settings are required as a number are specific to each projector, This also allows two totally different projectors to be used and setup for optimum use.
Quote:
Originally Posted by oliverg
The 7000 isn't HDCP compliant is it?
The 7000 isn't HDCP compliant is it?
No, the TVONE unit is not HDCP compliant, as I understand because this unit allow you to add "Titles" over the image this changes the video content and so cant be HDCP compliant.
There are many HDCP products available to remove the HDCP issue "HD Fury" & "moome" products - PLEASE post about these in OTHER threads, Thank you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boilermaker
Gino - I think the TVONE units will accept up to 1920X1080P@30Hz from their digital (DVI) input. If this is correct, then why can't you use something like the VP50 for AR control and input switching, and then have the TVONE change refresh to 48, 50, 60, 72 or 75 as you need? Just set the VP50 for either 24 or 30 output.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gino
Sounds like the TVOne is a great unit, particularly with Andy's input, but the lack of any decent digital input/output throughput was a deal breaker for me]
Sounds like the TVOne is a great unit, particularly with Andy's input, but the lack of any decent digital input/output throughput was a deal breaker for me]
Gino - I think the TVONE units will accept up to 1920X1080P@30Hz from their digital (DVI) input. If this is correct, then why can't you use something like the VP50 for AR control and input switching, and then have the TVONE change refresh to 48, 50, 60, 72 or 75 as you need? Just set the VP50 for either 24 or 30 output.
I suggest 1080p24 as this is available DIRECT from HD Players. More consoles & HDTV will I'm sure offer 1080p24 in time.
Ratio changes can be done within the TVONE unit. Heres the EASY solution, setup internal MACRO use in the TVONE, press a button , or from your control system select the correct ratio for each film, for me 16:9, 2.35:1 2.4:1 as I use a fixed 2.35:1 screen. Inputs? there are NINE on the C2-7100 and ELEVEN on the C2-7200 units.
I have now moved away from an external scaler unit.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gino AUS
The TVOne units are great if you want to stay in the analog domain, but for me wanting everything digital until the moome VIMs, it doesn't appear to be compatible. The DVI chips are limited as has been said by Andy and now Oliver after speaking with TVOne staff
The TVOne units are great if you want to stay in the analog domain, but for me wanting everything digital until the moome VIMs, it doesn't appear to be compatible. The DVI chips are limited as has been said by Andy and now Oliver after speaking with TVOne staff
I think this brings us onto the topic of resolutions.
Could I ask that people try NOT to mention standard resolution like 1280x1024, 1600x1200 and other well known PC or HD resolutions - that almost! includes 1920x1080! Here is why.......
16:9 HD Film & Console games use ACTIVE resolution of 1920x1080
For now lets stick with films, I know people use games as well but I need to reduce the vast topics down to a few that I can find time to answer.
2.35:1 HD Films use only 1920x817 ACTIVE resolution, the rest is black bars.
2.4:1 HD Films use only 1920x800 ACTIVE resolution.
The majority of films are NOT 16:9 ratio.
So as a result of this I now have a fixed 2.35:1 Screen, I currently output 1080x817 to each projector, the TVONE has a PC based resolution editor that allows ANY resolution you want to be created.
1600x1200 Maybe if watching 2.4:1 then this is a sensible option. this would give you a picture 1.5 times the resolution of a 1920x800 2.4:1 image - BUT, this starts to eat up bandwidth, and it is accepted that increased bandwidth does soften the CRT image. So why not drop down to 1066x800 for 2.4:1 , NOT a standard resolution but ANY resolution can be created within the TVONE unit. Massive reduction in bandwidth and so much sharper picture.
The Resolution Editor is very quick and simple to use.
I have been requesting feature upgrades from TVONE that relate to blending, ALL features to date have been added. I still have a few more requests that are being worked on so I believe this product still has more to offer.
PLEASE NOTE : I do not work for TVONE so all above are my own opinions and should all be checked first!
All the best,
Andy.
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